Science/Environment Gas crisis

[nut]

Gina buys a massive parcels of land.
Then we have a gas crisis.
And we need fracking....

Like clock work

 

[nut]

http://www.smh.com.au/business/mini...or-27b-over-fracking-ban-20161206-gt5iuq.html

 

[Gough]

Fracking has put pressure on the Coalition before, and in far better times.

 

[nut]

So we're are going pump water using fossil fuels to produce green electricity.... FFS.

No wonder he wants more gas.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...-for-2-billion-expansion-20170315-guyozj.html

 

[igon value]

So we're are going pump water using fossil fuels to produce green electricity.... FFS.

No wonder he wants more gas.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...-for-2-billion-expansion-20170315-guyozj.html

Nothing wrong with the Snowy plan. Can be used to store surplus renewable energy produced during daylight hours.

 

[nut]

Nothing wrong with the Snowy plan. Can be used to store surplus renewable energy produced during daylight hours.

Depends what's used to pump the water.
What happens in drought?

 

[igon value]

Depends what's used to pump the water.

Surplus solar energy made during the day has to be stored somewhere. What would your solution be?

What happens in drought?

We burn more gas.

There's no silver bullet for moving away from burning coal.

 

[Gough]

I wonder where this leaves Adani? Going all in on coal doesn't look quite as clever as it did even six months ago.

 

[cannot]

commi/pitchfork revolution

solar

bobs ya uncle

https://qz.com/871907/2016-was-the-...cheaper-than-fossil-fuels-just-wait-for-2017/

 

[Grin]

.....you have gas companies slugging Australians record prices while charging their Asian customers record low prices.......It's a neat trick, really. Take a country with enough gas to supply itself "indefinitely", send the vast majority of it overseas, refuse to sell locally at a fair price, create a domestic shortage, then demand access to some of our most environmentally sensitive resources as though it's an emergency measure.
And if you're going to pull a trick like that, this is the government to pull it on.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/ph...-to-access-offlimits-gas-20170315-guz8pb.html

Malcolm's been paid by vested interests to help to con his fellow Australians. Again

 

[nut]

.....you have gas companies slugging Australians record prices while charging their Asian customers record low prices.......It's a neat trick, really. Take a country with enough gas to supply itself "indefinitely", send the vast majority of it overseas, refuse to sell locally at a fair price, create a domestic shortage, then demand access to some of our most environmentally sensitive resources as though it's an emergency measure.
And if you're going to pull a trick like that, this is the government to pull it on.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/ph...-to-access-offlimits-gas-20170315-guz8pb.html

Malcolm's been paid by vested interests to help to con his fellow Australians. Again

Absolutely.... Gina says hi.

 

[Power Raid]

meanwhile WA gas futures are falling

15-20% reduction simply by the state government mandating the requirement for local supply

hopefully the eastern states follow suit

 

[HairyO]

Nothing wrong with the Snowy plan. Can be used to store surplus renewable energy produced during daylight hours.

It is a ridiculous plan. A massive waste of money for limited increases in generation. Brought to us by the Committee for Camels.

 

[Power Raid]

It is a ridiculous plan. A massive waste of money for limited increases in generation. Brought to us by the Committee for Camels.

Are there any real opportunities in Oz for new hydro plants?

 

[HairyO]

Are there any real opportunities in Oz for new hydro plants?

Franklin River? Thomson River? Mitchell River?

We would rather pensioners die from heat/cold than look at sensible replacements for coal power and that's not even looking at drinking water options instead of desal plants.

There are a number of opportunities, but greenies would ensure all failed.

 

[Tiffsta]

Gina buys a massive parcels of land.
Then we have a gas crisis.
And we need fracking....

Like clock work

The energy companies were storing gas in silos and all kinds of s**t waiting for the LNG plant in Queensland to open up for exports while prices here went up.
Don't believe me ? Just go read the annual reports of AGL or ORG back around 2014.
I remember I could see what was going on and I am a dummy

 

[King Brown]

Franklin River? Thomson River? Mitchell River?

We would rather pensioners die from heat/cold than look at sensible replacements for coal power and that's not even looking at drinking water options instead of desal plants.

There are a number of opportunities, but greenies would ensure all failed.

Nonsense.

 

[Power Raid]

Nonsense.

what are your thoughts on this?

 

[Sainteric]

So we're are going pump water using fossil fuels to produce green electricity.... FFS.

No wonder he wants more gas.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-po...-for-2-billion-expansion-20170315-guyozj.html

Most people who want reduce emissions havent the slightest idea how the generation, distribution or electric market system works.

Coal powered generations requires the generators to always be burning basically they are on off. If they are off they litetaly fall apart and need maintenance for weeks. In victoria at 80 % coal generation this is only needed at the peaks mainly 5 to 9 pm; after 9 to 6 am we need only 30 to 40%. Whilst the coal burned overnight can be reduced it still has to burn.

Enter the snowy at night time water is pumped back using coal power. This power is used for nothing else and the coal emission would be burnt anyway. So its technocally a free kick.

 

[Sainteric]

Nonsense.

Absolute truth labor fd up big time

 

[Sainteric]

Franklin River? Thomson River? Mitchell River?

We would rather pensioners die from heat/cold than look at sensible replacements for coal power and that's not even looking at drinking water options instead of desal plants.

There are a number of opportunities, but greenies would ensure all failed.

Absolutely correct

 

[King Brown]

what are your thoughts on this?

Snowy 2.0 is to be for energy trading, just like Snowy 1.0. Whether the solution is more coal or more renewables, the system management issues of both require storage and artificial grid inertia, and the hydro solution is the cheapest to deliver both.

 

[HairyO]

Snowy 2.0 is to be for energy trading, just like Snowy 1.0. Whether the solution is more coal or more renewables, the system management issues of both require storage and artificial grid inertia, and the hydro solution is the cheapest to deliver both.

The Snowy upgrade is anything but cheap. It is an enormous amount of money for a moderate increase of peak load energy, but requires a big chunk of base load energy to power it.

It is almost exactly what you would consider insane.

I can only imagine it is a work scheme to prop up the NSW economy being ruined by a Liberal government which has NFI what it is doing. Because it is not going to help much at all with our energy availability.

 

[King Brown]

The Snowy upgrade is anything but cheap. It is an enormous amount of money for a moderate increase of peak load energy, but requires a big chunk of base load energy to power it.

It is almost exactly what you would consider insane.

I can only imagine it is a work scheme to prop up the NSW economy being ruined by a Liberal government which has NFI what it is doing. Because it is not going to help much at all with our energy availability.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[HairyO]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Apart from stating exactly what the govt said it will be.

But yeah "nuh uh !!!" is a fantastic retort.