Geelong – most loved to most disliked?

[TheWoodenSlug]

Its not given too much emphasis.
Its a blight on the game.
Just look at other players following suit and ducking the head. Could've caused Tom Lynch to be a paraplegic yesterday.

Now I know thats not Selwoods fault by any means, but he has definitely set the precedent.

Disagree with that (surprise, surprise ) - players have been trying to milk free kicks for as long as I can remember, including by ducking.

The biggest problem I think, is that over the last few years the AFL have made it well known that the 'head is sacrosanct', and any contact made to the head will draw a free kick. This has led to many players, including quite a few Geelong players (Selwood is obviously a master at it), deliberately putting their head in a position to draw contact. It's dangerous I agree - you only have to look at the Lynch incident on the weekend to see what might happen one day.

The solution seems obvious to me - don't award any free kicks where the player with the ball has deliberately caused the high contact. They have done it a little better this year with regards to ducking but, as Geelong supporters have been saying all along, Selwood doesn't duck into tackles, therefore his 'technique' still results in free kicks.

I'd be more than happy for Selwood not to get any free kicks where he lifts his shoulder and/or bends his knees to lower his body. But I still think he'd do it, and I still think he would break a lot of tackles doing it - and then we can all focus on the other 25 touches he gets, which are usually brilliant.

Edit: Shit, if I'd just waited another few minutes, I could have just liked Lunchlady Doris 's post above. Spot on.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

But when Selwood gets frees via tackles that slipped from the shoulders it is the tacklers fault?

Yes it is the tacklers fault. Learn to tackle!

Was there in 2007 and being heavily advised by Dank if you take his quotes at face value. How many of the 2007 played in your last premiership in 2011?

Robinson left us to join the gold coast for their inaugural year, are the GCFC also on the gear by association??

By my counting 13 of the 2011 flag were in the 2007 GF team.

What your doing is deriving guilt based on association, there's no suggestion anywhere that Robinson did anything illegal at Geelong.... so 2+2=5 in your eyes??

Personally I think it is unlikely,

if you are referring to our chances against Hawthorn... all I'll say is there is 3 certainties in life... Death, Taxes and Geelong beating Hawthorn in r22

but if I was a cats fan I would be more careful trolling bomber fans on the topic if we'd had Robinson at Hawthorn while receiving 'big input' from Dank. I'll probably be more pedestrian, and blame the umpires or injuries instead

The quicker you come to terms with the fact we weren't on the gear, the easier the realisation that you're our bitches will be

 

[Bleeeeeeeeep]

I still have Geelong as my second team, who doesnt like a pussy!?!?!
surely its been done by now (i am not going through 18 page for a shit gag) but sorry i had to.

 

[strobe00]

Don't pretend Geelong were the only ones that got dodgy frees. Sandilands in the goal square for the worst umpiring decision of the year, Subans constant diving frees, the free against Selwood in the first when he was tackled 30 metres off the play and Freo somehow ended up with a shot on goal and numerous others.

I wouldn't pretend that Geelong were the only ones to get dodgy frees. Both teams got a few.

My issue was that quite a few frees that were called for Geelong, weren't called for Freo when very similar events took place. Many more of the 50:50 calls resulted in frees for Geelong, whereas they resulted in a play-on for Freo. Geelong got the rub of the green from the umps on Saturday night.

We can all invent scenarios and theories why. Despite that, it was a good game and an entertaining one.

 

[hk89]

Robinson left us to join the gold coast for their inaugural year, are the GCFC also on the gear by association??

I don't know. Did Robinson tell the media during his time at GCFC how import Dank's import was during his stay there?

By my counting 13 of the 2011 flag were in the 2007 GF team.

What your doing is deriving guilt based on association, there's no suggestion anywhere that Robinson did anything illegal at Geelong.... so 2+2=5 in your eyes??

My original post was a response to a Geelong fan trolling a mombers fan on their situation. I'm just saying Geelong had a lot on direct input from Dank, so I wouldn't be pointing fingers if I was their fans.

if you are referring to our chances against Hawthorn... all I'll say is there is 3 certainties in life... Death, Taxes and Geelong beating Hawthorn in r22

The quicker you come to terms with the fact we weren't on the gear, the easier the realisation that you're our bitches will be

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Don't expect to see Lake up forward, more likely to see Spangher up there I reckon (that's only if Rough doesn't play).

 

[Duskfire]

I agree with alot of people that Johnson plays for frees; he has his entire career and its one of the many things Johnson does that I really really dislike. Christensen does too to a lesser extent. However Selwood is completely and utterly different; Johnson will actually stop and appeal to an umpire, Selwood typically only has eyes on the ball. If the AFL tomorrow said that there is no such thing as frees for high contact, Selwood would still do exactly what he does and not care. There have been so many occasions where he wont get a free at all and will instead use that high tackle to shrug out of it and continue on. Its much easier to escape a tackle if its around the shoulders or higher then around the waist.

Thats what some opposition supporters dont get, and its why Geelong supporters defend Selwood to the death. Because we understand what he does, watching him week in week out. Johnson is a dick who plays for frees when he should focus on the ball; Selwood and him are so vastly different. If you go o gameday threads on the Geelong forum, us Geelong supporters bemoan Johnson. We aren't blind to his constant shit.

 

[Sttew]

I agree with alot of people that Johnson plays for frees; he has his entire career and its one of the many things Johnson does that I really really dislike. Christensen does too to a lesser extent. However Selwood is completely and utterly different; Johnson will actually stop and appeal to an umpire, Selwood typically only has eyes on the ball. If the AFL tomorrow said that there is no such thing as frees for high contact, Selwood would still do exactly what he does and not care. There have been so many occasions where he wont get a free at all and will instead use that high tackle to shrug out of it and continue on. Its much easier to escape a tackle if its around the shoulders or higher then around the waist.

Thats what some opposition supporters dont get, and its why Geelong supporters defend Selwood to the death. Because we understand what he does, watching him week in week out. Johnson is a dick who plays for frees when he should focus on the ball; Selwood and him are so vastly different. If you go o gameday threads on the Geelong forum, us Geelong supporters bemoan Johnson. We aren't blind to his constant shit.

Spot on

 

[Thai Hawk]

No way are they anywhere near the most disliked. Sure they have a few d#$ks in their team (Selwood, Johnson etc) but all teams do.

They play a good to watch brand of football and they have respect because their recent success comes from hard work, not gifts like the expansion teams. And they have some players that all fans would like (Taylor and Bartel).

Lets face it, they are miles off the Essendon and $ydney in the dis likable stakes.

ps. Except when they play my team of coarse

 

[jacross]

This phenomenon seems to be more a feeling than actual data but let's go with it.

I'd say it's a combination of Johnson, the Selwood ducking thing, genuine dislike of a team that beats your team a lot of the time, tall poppy syndrome, circumstance aaaaaaaand gotta hate somebody!

I hate GWS primarily because I live in the CRANBERRY and find their faux 'Canberra's team' marketing outrageous. I used to hate Port Adelaide but now I love them because of Hinkers. I used to hate the Swans but now I slightly less hate the Swans due to them hating GWS. I LOVE the Hawks (shock horror)!

Individuals have weird reasons for hating and liking teams.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I dispute that we were ever the "most loved" as the thread title assumes. If people dislike the Cats because they keep winning games then they can suck it quite frankly.

 

[jacross]

I might stop hating Geelong when the umpires stop falling for Selwood's technique. It's just as bad as ducking.

My opinion on Selwood is that he doesn't really duck that much at all (except in that drop a bit lower thing that every player sadly does nowadays). His frees mainly come from two things:

1, He genuinely crashes through Reynold's style, and that draws frees legitimately.
2, He IS an expert at shrugging a tackle up to the neck and that is a legitimate free kick (and something that I was terrible at countering as a player in local footy).

NOW! With 2 my personal opinion is that normatively I wish it wasn't a free kick. I watch a lot of Rugby League and Union though and I'm really coming to the position that I prefer their rules regarding high tackles. I don't have a comprehensive plan for how that could work in Aussie Rules though.

My main gripes are how players can now put their head down and drive into players stomachs to get a free. It's an obvious unintended consequence of the rule changes to 'protect the head' and I think it is a real shame. That is blatant ducking and under the current rules it should be play on. It gets paid as a free kick way too much.

 

[sleep]

Couldn't believe this one. SJ grabs onto Sutcliffe's throat and throws his head back. Classic dive, resulting in a free kick and a goal . Commentators didn't go on about that one enough, except for Ling who is the only one on the panel with integrity. The rest are ******* useless.

Gotta laugh at the "OH MY GAWD, WHAT WAS THAT FOR??!" from Sutty in the ump's mic though. Joke of a decision.

what did you think of the sandilands FK in the 1st Q?

 

[electricfeel]

what did you think of the sandilands FK in the 1st Q?

It was an incorrect decision and luckily for Geelong he didn't convert his set shot. What's that got to do with anything? What was your take on the SJ dive which resulted in a goal?

 

[jacross]

Don't know what the stats are after tonight but before this game we had more frees against then frees for this season. Which means that more than half the teams in the comp are getting a better ride from the umps then Geelong. End thread.

EXACTLY! It baffles me that people with half a brain could possibly think that umpires have some sort of conspiracy for and against teams. As for Cats staging, the stats over the season show that not to be the case on aggregate and comparatively.

What people should be doing is focusing in on specific acts and specific bad calls. On Saturday night I was cringing at poor umpiring calls and jerk acts from BOTH TEAMS!

There's so much wrong with the rules and interpretations regarding tackle in the back and high tackles and holding the ball (I'm seeing a pattern here!) that my focus is league wide on this blight! I'm seeing this cancer in every game!

Fix the rules, fix the game, end the incentivisation of stoogery.

 

[sleep]

It was an incorrect decision and luckily for Geelong he didn't convert his set shot. What's that got to do with anything? What was your take on the SJ dive which resulted in a goal?

what dive?

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

what did you think of the sandilands FK in the 1st Q?

He wasn't very nice to Jackie O, any wonder she walked out on him

 

[romeoh]

It was an incorrect decision and luckily for Geelong he didn't convert his set shot. What's that got to do with anything? What was your take on the SJ dive which resulted in a goal?

Can't recall that one funnily enough.

 

[sleep]

Im not sure where in the AFL rule book it says Free kick count needs to be split 50/50.

The real question the Freo Fans should be asking is why was our team so undisciplined to give away those free kicks

 

[romeoh]

Im not sure where in the AFL rule book it says Free kick count needs to be split 50/50.

The real question the Freo Fans should be asking is why was our team so undisciplined to give away those free kicks

Haha yep-have a feeling Freo fans won't be going down that path.

 

[sleep]

He wasn't very nice to Jackie O, any wonder she walked out on him

She got the "O" because she wanted some fat old greek billionaires cash.

 

[romeoh]

She got the "O" because she wanted some fat old greek billionaires cash.

I thought it was because he is too lazy to work on Fridays?

 

[sleep]

Haha yep-have a feeling Freo fans won't be going down that path.

Nah it doesnt help there "We wuz Robbed" diatribe.

 

[jacross]

I just dont know how you could dislike a team because of the supporters.

People take BigFooty WAY too seriously. That's how.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Im not sure where in the AFL rule book it says Free kick count needs to be split 50/50.

The real question the Freo Fans should be asking is why was our team so undisciplined to give away those free kicks

Their lack of discipline isn't just limited to last weekend, they're making a habit of giving away frees.