Bucking Beads
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Science!!! He's ****en due. Trying his guts out, the ball will bounce for him next Saturday.
What logical reason do you have that he can't play his best game for the season next Saturday?
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What logical reason do you have that he can't play his best game for the season next Saturday?
I guess the counter argument about not selecting a 90% Neale was that he was at 90% against the cats a few weeks ago and wasn’t exactly a liability, but did turn it over quite a few times as he was so rusty.
He attended 22 centre bounces in that game, ie 73% of them (thanks Zoblitz for the Centre Bounce Attendance/Wing Attendance Megathread) but only had 2 clearances, which is well down on his normal output. In that game we only lost the total clearances by 1, 38 to 37, but lost the centre clearances 12 to 7. It felt like we couldn’t get our hands on it out of the centre.
Against Gold Coast we won total clearances 43 to 25, and centre clearances 12 to 6.
Against Collingwood lost total clearances 36 to 45 but won centre clearances 15 to 11.
So the question is if Neale is at 90% is he taking a centre bounce position away from one of our inside mids who is closer to 100% and so is more effective? We do have excellent depth in that position.
Obviously these teams have different strengths and so comparing clearances numbers is not like for like, especially as Geelong is clearly a superior team to Collingwood and the Suns.
And I’m not saying don’t pick him, but it may not be as cut and dried about him being a better prospect than our 23rd player.
He attended 22 centre bounces in that game, ie 73% of them (thanks Zoblitz for the Centre Bounce Attendance/Wing Attendance Megathread) but only had 2 clearances, which is well down on his normal output. In that game we only lost the total clearances by 1, 38 to 37, but lost the centre clearances 12 to 7. It felt like we couldn’t get our hands on it out of the centre.
Against Gold Coast we won total clearances 43 to 25, and centre clearances 12 to 6.
Against Collingwood lost total clearances 36 to 45 but won centre clearances 15 to 11.
So the question is if Neale is at 90% is he taking a centre bounce position away from one of our inside mids who is closer to 100% and so is more effective? We do have excellent depth in that position.
Obviously these teams have different strengths and so comparing clearances numbers is not like for like, especially as Geelong is clearly a superior team to Collingwood and the Suns.
And I’m not saying don’t pick him, but it may not be as cut and dried about him being a better prospect than our 23rd player.
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It would be very difficult to tell the likes of Neale, Pendlebury and the great Ablett that they are going to have to sit out what is the pinnacle of their sport. If ever a player was going to get back it would be Neale but it is a roll of the dice and the consequences of the club getting it wrong wouldn't be truly understood until it happened. Going to need the intervention of the Footy Gods this week I reckon.
Because he's not what he was ,lost his pace so is far easier to cover , we don't look for him at all like we used to and generally his confidence is shot when shooting for goal , tries for impossible speccies every now and then and never takes one.
If he plays a role and pressures the opposition at all times is all one could ask.
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Massive dilemma for the coaches re the possible selection of Lachie and/or Jarrod.
I'd be very cautious to select either, you can never replicate match intensity at training.
Which scenario plays out-
A- Out- Jarrod Berry. In- Bruce Reville. Sub- James Tunstill.
B- Out- Jarrod Berry. In- Lachie Neale.
C- Out- Sam Marshall. In- Lachie Neale.
D- We try C and Jarrod pops a shoulder and/or Lachie does his calf and we are down to 3/no sub on the bench.
Personally I think we look a more balanced side with Marshall in the team.
I'd be very cautious to select either, you can never replicate match intensity at training.
Which scenario plays out-
A- Out- Jarrod Berry. In- Bruce Reville. Sub- James Tunstill.
B- Out- Jarrod Berry. In- Lachie Neale.
C- Out- Sam Marshall. In- Lachie Neale.
D- We try C and Jarrod pops a shoulder and/or Lachie does his calf and we are down to 3/no sub on the bench.
Personally I think we look a more balanced side with Marshall in the team.
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Yeah so it won't take much for him to play his best game of the season then. Thanks for the chat champ.
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Mentioned before but I think Marshall has to be in the team, I think Levi is the better player overall but Marshall has more impact on the wing where they’ll both have to play. Levi would be a great sub I reckon
My concern with Neale isn’t necessarily the injury itself, it’s the fact by the time next Saturday comes around he will have played 1 game in the past 8 weeks, and went off injured in said game.
In saying that, I’ll back him in if we select him for a big one. You can never write off a champion and you only need to look at last years grand final to see what he can do under duress.
In saying that, I’ll back him in if we select him for a big one. You can never write off a champion and you only need to look at last years grand final to see what he can do under duress.
Let’s say Neale and Berry miss next week, is anyone nervous about Tunstill coming in as the sub? I don’t think he’s good enough for a grand final. I hate to say that as I’ll always back any player in a Lions guernsey and I will back Jimmy if selected but I’m worried he’ll be a liability if he had to come on early (touchwood). He struggles to adapt to the pace and intensity of AFL level in H&A games let alone a grand final.
I’d feel better about McKenna being named sub in that scenario.
I’d feel better about McKenna being named sub in that scenario.
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I'd say everyone is worried about Tunstill playing but hopefully if thats the case we won't be relying on the sub to do much
I don’t disagree fwiw
IMO in his sparse opportunities(3 games, 2 as sub) this season Tunstill has looked much improved, I can not recall which game it was but he made a pretty good impact when he came on as sub.
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Yeah can't drop Marshall or Bruce.
It's a stretch but I'd say we missed Bruce's kicking and calm ball handling in qualifying final. He thinks his way through traffic and was sublime when he came on in prelim. Between Marshall and Bruce one gets the sub role and the other will be on field.
It's either A or B for me.
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It'll be tunstill or this man.
Dev might get the preference as he's a bigger body who can do a tagging job on say Dangerfield to slow him down or has the tank to play on the wing.
No problem champ. Any other ideas welcomed.
Just on Lachie, GF's are littered with teams who took a punt on unfit players and it backfired.
If Lachies's 80% + obviously he plays provided there's very minimal chance of him doing a Pendlebury and being subbed off early. Or we could do what Richmond did with Royce Hart as 19th man due to injury which is sub him and swing him in at half time. That worked a treat and won them a flag. I remember Voss coming on into the forward line in a final in Adelaide at half time and completely turning the game for us.
Sadly I don't know in what world you'd play Bez. Too big a risk now.
Dev on Danger would be the most worrying matchup since we put Brennan into the ruck.
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He is so versatile, a calming influence when he comes on and nice skills. The perfect sub for me. A minor issue but when he has played full games this year he doesn't tend to get noticed until the second half particularly the final quarter. That is what I noticed in the VFL anyway.
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If it frees up Dunkley then we may have to consider it at some point.
Here's your chance Dev, another grand final, prove your worth to West Coast !
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Neale said he ran over 7km yesterday with quite a bit of sprint work and had no problem. He plans to train through the entire week, he's basically right to go.
If Berry wasn't injured, you probably don't risk it but given you can't risk Berry now, Neale is a better option than anyone else we have.
As a left field idea...use Neale as a missile / tagger, Geelong won't see that coming and he could skittle a lot of players in tight.
If Berry wasn't injured, you probably don't risk it but given you can't risk Berry now, Neale is a better option than anyone else we have.
As a left field idea...use Neale as a missile / tagger, Geelong won't see that coming and he could skittle a lot of players in tight.
Forgot about McKenna. Assume he isn’t injured? If not, I agree with the above in that I think he would be the better option as sub given his experience and he can also play back/forward or a wing if necessary.
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Neale played one of those selfless games earlier this year and left the ball hunting to others. He can very well come in and be the stoppage blocker creating space for McCluggage and others.
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You dont remember. Because that is revisionist and completely wrong.
Ablett did his shoulder in 2014, not 2020.
He was completely fine. And it was actually the other shoulder that went in the GF.
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Incredible to think that 12 months ago, Levi Ashcroft and Sam Marshall were playing and winning a Grand Final together for Sandringham Dragons at the under 18 level and in week they’ll be playing in an AFL GF.
The development of these kids is unbelievable and throw in Gallop who played in Preliminary Final at the VFL level as an 18 year old 12 months ago too.
I don’t know what the age profile was of the Baby Bombers in 93 and it’s unlikely we’re anywhere close to them, but we have a Cubs feel about us this time round with all these under 21 year olds.
The development of these kids is unbelievable and throw in Gallop who played in Preliminary Final at the VFL level as an 18 year old 12 months ago too.
I don’t know what the age profile was of the Baby Bombers in 93 and it’s unlikely we’re anywhere close to them, but we have a Cubs feel about us this time round with all these under 21 year olds.
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