Play Nice Geelong home final at GHMBA Stadium, is this an unfair advantage?

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The extra distance to travel for Geelong fans to the MCG does actually matter, because the fans will get to attend. If played at Kardinia Park most Geelong fans won't get to attend, so the distance of course doesn't matter since they'll be watching it on TV.
 

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Why haven't afl come out and said what's happening? My guess is they will schedule GWS in Geelong but nobody else. Absolute bs for GWS but they probably have a better chance to win the game in Geelong than at MCG
 

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The irony of a Pies supporters getting involved in discussions of 'fairness'...

You realize we finished 8th last year, yeah? So our draw should be easier this year. You finished 2nd last year, and you only travel 5 times, despite your much higher ladder position at the conclusion of 2018.

When was the last time your side travelled down the highway, hey?
Travel is not the issue - i'm talking about Home ground advantage - this is enjoyed by the interstate teams and rightly so due to the fact that nearly half of their games are played on the road in a hostile environment playing against a team which does have a a home ground advantage .

The Melbourne based clubs have all lost their home ground advantage once ground rationalisation happened - turning their home ground into a Neutral environment apart from when they play an interstate based club.

Geelong still has a real home ground advantage through the season but also has the advantage of playing games on neutral grounds against the other Melbourne based teams.

Kardinia Park is a a fortress - since full ground rationalisation was completed in 2006 Geelong have played 106 games at the venue - out of that they have only lost 13 games - close to a 90% winning record. Combine this with the number of games they play on neutral venues this gives them a huge advantage over the rest of the competition. This compromises the integrity of the game.
 

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Not saying you are hopeless - and not worried about the advantage you have with KP and neutral based games in the home and away - good on you and it's an envious position to be in - But to try and drag this advantage over to the finals is my issue.

You guys have enough of a leg up on the rest of the competition and to extend this into the finals would be a blight on the integrity of the game.
Speaking of having an advantage over the competition, Collingwood played their final 7 home and away games at the MCG in 2010. Then 4 finals (including the GF replay) at the MCG.

11 straight games at the ground the grand final is played.

Is that not having a leg up on the competition?
 

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Speaking of having an advantage over the competition, Collingwood played their final 7 home and away games at the MCG in 2010. Then 4 finals (including the GF replay) at the MCG.

11 straight games at the ground the grand final is played.

Is that not having a leg up on the competition?
They played 14 games at the MCG during the season in 2010, 18 including finals. Then 4 at Etihad and only 4 interstate.

Now that's called having an advantage.
 

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They played 14 games at the MCG during the season in 2010, 18 including finals. Then 4 at Etihad and only 4 interstate.

Now that's called having an advantage.
so 22 home games and 4 interstate games? haha come on, how can a Collingwood supporter say anyone has a leg up.
 

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Speaking of having an advantage over the competition, Collingwood played their final 7 home and away games at the MCG in 2010. Then 4 finals (including the GF replay) at the MCG.

11 straight games at the ground the grand final is played.

Is that not having a leg up on the competition?
In all these games only played one interstate team - so only once had a real home ground advantage
 

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The same as all vic teams who dont sell home games, oh yea funny that.

The last time we played at Geelong would of been before you guys started requesting MCG only vs Pies for gate keeping's.
Ugh. This has been covered. Our away games have nothing to do with our home games. One is the Hawthorn gamr in the second half of the year, the other is the country game vs Essendon. We're playing at YOUR home ground, given that it's an away game. The only thing that would change, is that one of the Hawthorn games and the country game (in alternating years) would be played at home, instead of the MCG. We have requested 11 home games, we don't 'request' anything, as it's the AFL that decides this.

More logical inconsistencies that have been addressed 73569 times since the creation of the first one of these threads.

Why does anyone even bother given that bias never goes hand in hand with reason.
 

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So how does playing Richmond,Hawthorn,Essendon ....at the MCG equate to a home ground advantage?
Most games we play are on Neutral territory - apart from when we play an interstate club -
Geelong is the only Melbourne based club with a true home ground advantage - 90% strike rate since 2006 - undeniable fact
I said 22 home games. Do you deny that 22 games were played in Melbourne?

According to posters in this thread

Collingwood v Richmond at the MCG is not a home game as both teams share the MCG as a home ground.

Geelong v Richmond at the MCG is Geelong's home game because the AFL forces them to play two games in Melbourne and they choose the MCG over Marvel.
 

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Very interesting that of the top 6 contributors to this thread 3 are Geelong supporters (understandable, it's a Geelong thread) and 3 are Richmond supporters. Is this what fear is?
 

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It is since 2006 ground rationalisation was completed and the rest of the Melbourne based clubs lost any home ground advantage when playing each other - apart from Geelong.
So you address the second part of that, but fail to address the first part? How did we continually make finals, reach Grand Finals and be generally competitive, if the 'ground rationalization' only took effect in 2006? Because I can guarantee that our side in 2007 ran rings around our 95, 94, 92 and 89 sides.
 

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So Scott was bleating about the MCG hosting the Grand Final and the integrity of the game yet if there is a problem with the integrity of the game it is in the huge advantage Geelong has with their home ground - and they want that extended to encompass finals.
home and away. it's not geelong's fault that metro clubs gave the home bit up
 

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“MCG is a home/neutral ground for Geelong”
“Geelongs winning percentage drops dramatically when they play there”

Yeah, it sounds neutral to me. Sounds like they have great home ground advantage at a ground they don’t play well at.
 

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home and away. it's not geelong's fault that metro clubs gave the home bit up
Correct - and good on them - but the push is for finals is BS.

Just a hypothetical
If we were still playing at Vic Park - how do you think the rest of the competition would react if we wanted to play finals there?
 

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Also after this week, Richmond play every game at the MCG leading up to finals. So I am not sure how their fans can claim that Geelong has an unfair advantage when the team that plays at the MCG the best has the most games there?
 

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“MCG is a home/neutral ground for Geelong”
“Geelongs winning percentage drops dramatically when they play there”

Yeah, it sounds neutral to me. Sounds like they have great home ground advantage at a ground they don’t play well at.
The neutrality comes from the ground having no supporter bias , travelling bias , familiarity issues, not from the ability to play the ground well.
 

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Correct - and good on them - but the push is for finals is BS.

Just a hypothetical
If we were still playing at Vic Park - how do you think the rest of the competition would react if we wanted to play finals there?
i don't deal in BS hypos. Collingwood aren't even based in their district anymore, let alone playing home games there.

i don't understand why richmond and collingwood fans in particular are so worked up over this, or why geelong fans think a KP final vs a metro club is a realistic development. handbags. it's not going to happen.
 

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So what? the point was clearly the average vic side doesn't travel more then 5 times unless it offloads games or is a by product from a vic team offloading games...

Using an outlier to prove "pies dont travel", is just dribbling s**t plain and simple.
No you said 'we travel the same', not 'we don't travel more than 5 times.' It's like dealing with a child.

Also, I already posted the Dank article in totality, that highlights all the main points. You're now directly attacking the club, while derailing the thread. You've been reported multiple times and it's starting to get real aggressive and personal against the club.

Pull your head in.
 

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You referring to when teams SELL their home matches to play somewhere else?



Geelong is one of few teams that has to travel an hour for a home game. How many other teams do that? People rejoice when Collingwood make their 3 interstate trips per season.



MCG isn't in Geelong. And our finals record suggests we don't play the MCG well at all. So its not the advantage a team like Richmond, Collingwood or Melbourne get from playing there.


2nd rate :$
GWS have had 2 finals for a total attendance of about 37k. So clearly the AFL isn't opposed to the idea of restricted attendance in the pursuit of a team earning a final. Imagine if GWS had to play the Bulldogs at the SCG in 2016 because the ground can hold more people.
Sure Melbourne teams sell home games, yes. Is Geelong forced to pay these 'away games'? No, they get handed out to visiting interstate sides. Instead of an away game at the MCG its either Tassie or Alice Springs or Ballarat. That's all about crowds and sponsorship $$$ not fairness and the interstate sides shoulder and share that unfair load.

I asked if Geelong traveled big kms. Your response is that they had to travel an hour up the road. Which would you prefer a trip to Darwin or a one hour car ride? So again, Geelong is advantaged by luckily avoiding interstate trips.

The MCG still holds home ground advantage against interstate teams. One team spends a day travelling, flying and living in a hotel. The other pops up the road in an hour.

So apart from finals being played at the MCG how unfair really is the fixtures for Geelong?

Clubs can't expect to get everything their way by lumping additional disadvantages to a few who already cop unfair fixtures as the norm.
 

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We’ll never know. But we can only go on what we have right now.
Every team plays at the G. Essendon for example haven’t played at GMHBA since the 90’s and christ knows how long for the pies. I can see Eddie exploding once reality sets in and so will many others.
Which is part of the problem. The AFL has set this precent where you get to play a game game except if there's a chance that the AFL can increase attendance by shifting venues. The AFL really is its own worst enemy.
 

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I've created an easy to understand guide to playing finals in Victoria.

1 Pies Tigers Hawks
2 Bombers# Carlton#
3 Roos Saints Dogs Melbourne
4 Geelong
5 Eagles Crows Swans Freo Port GWS Lions Suns

If you play a team on a lower tier then the game is played at your home ground *
If you play a team on a higher tier then the game is played at their home ground *

#For the purposes of the finals the MCG is the home away from home
*Gil reserves the right to over rule any decisions that is sensical or logical.
 

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I've created an easy to understand guide to playing finals in Victoria.

1 Pies Tigers Hawks
2 Bombers# Carlton#
3 Roos Saints Dogs Melbourne
4 Geelong
5 Eagles Crows Swans Freo Port GWS Lions Suns

If you play a team on a lower tier then the game is played at your home ground *
If you play a team on a higher tier then the game is played at their home ground *

#For the purposes of the finals the MCG is the home away from home
*Gil reserves the right to over rule any decisions that is sensical or logical.

So you are saying if the Eagles finish 2nd and the Pies 4th, and they meet in a Prelim it is at the MCG?
 
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