Geelong rorting the system

[PhatBoy]

The father-son thing could have ended worse for everyone.
We could have done the right thing by common sense and chosen Shane Mumford

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, and Nathan Ablett could have actually wanted to play football.

 

[Andyy]

If true then should be a big fine and loss of soft cap space. There have been rumours for so long about this and can honestly say that the cats seems to find the cap space for players and coaches that other clubs can’t. Time for the afl to make an example to not let this shit happen again. Unfortunately we know how this will play out, small fine and suspended sentence.

If it were my club Adelaide, we’d get happened with everything. The afl is the most corrupted sport organisation in the world because they don’t answer to anyone

I agree about fines and penalties.

Not sure we will ever uncover a serious rort of the system, but there seems to be very poor regulation of third-party payments and other deals (like Eddie getting jobs for WAGs at CH9 etc).

 

[Outback Footy]

Wasn't my post if you check

Thanks Sstew - Ive corrected it.

 

[Andyy]

WGAF about the draw?

It's not rigged and never is. Morons said the same about the Tigers during the dynasty years, even in 2020 when they were in hubs outside of VIC. Laughable.


My concern is that I don't believe it's viable for an AFL head coach to also be a director at a sponsor company (5G Networks) and 'chief of leadership and performance' at another sponsor company (Morris Finance).

It reeks of the Judd/VISY deal, getting paid 6 figures every year for a photo here and there, a 30 second video etc.


This is the third-party payment loophole that the AFL needs to address.

 

[danster168]

You do know your team had a father son in it for your only premiership in the AFL era right?

yep, 1 in about 25 years. well below afl avg.

 

[danster168]

Are you kidding, the collective meltdown has been nothing short of glorious. 'They are just so damn good they must be cheating' is a beautiful compliment for any sporting club, let alone a little one like Geelong who pulled itself up by its bootstraps and became a powerhouse of the 21st century.

Way back when the $10K fine for an admin error would've sunk the club, but not now, we got it covered!

p.s. Brad Close's new Ford is frickin' awesome.

so good? 12th, 3rd and currently 5th the last 3 years? For a team with a massive home ground advantage, it's very meh.

 

[joe444]

so good? 12th, 3rd and currently 5th the last 3 years? For a team with a massive home ground advantage, it's very meh.

 

[FootyLad0]

This is just beginning

Didn't they say it was effectively closed and it was over? lol

 

[STPer18]

so good? 12th, 3rd and currently 5th the last 3 years? For a team with a massive home ground advantage, it's very meh.

Come on, we're all being honest here. Geelong was everyone's 2nd favourite team pre-2007. Since then no other side has won more premierships than Geelong, won more games, won more finals, you name it. Pissing on equalisation in an era that does everything possible to equalise the comp, it's dare I say, unprecedented!

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Now do difficulty for round 0-11.

Definitely a tough first 11 rounds.

Lucky you got the rub of the green in 7 of them hey.

 

[Mr Meow]

Definitely a tough first 11 rounds.

Lucky you got the rub of the green in 7 of them hey.

Lucky we showed some ticker and quality, unlike your pathetic excuse for a football club.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Lucky we showed some ticker and quality, unlike your pathetic excuse for a football club.

Yeah, thats true, so is your 7-4 free kick advantage in your 'tough first half'.

 

[Whiskers]

Definitely a tough first 11 rounds.

Lucky you got the rub of the green in 7 of them hey.

With the most games missed through injury champ.
But hey keep trying to discredit us any way possible. You are the reason the media write such clickbait articles. You get so sucked in you can’t think for yourself.
No salary cap breaches but you get worked up over a car to an AFLW player.
Easiest fixtures are suddenly an issue ONLY after what we’ve already had. Convenient timing that.

We beat a team like Collingwood in front of a packed pie stadium off b2b 6 day breaks and injuries galore.
What’s the issue after the game? Some free kicks that were right anyway. What a laugh.

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[PenfoldsFan]

With the most games missed through injury champ.
But hey keep trying to discredit us any way possible. You are the reason the media write such clickbait articles. You get so sucked in you can’t think for yourself.
No salary cap breaches but you get worked up over a car to an AFLW player.
Easiest fixtures are suddenly an issue ONLY after what we’ve already had. Convenient timing that.

We beat a team like Collingwood in front of a packed pie stadium off b2b 6 day breaks and injuries galore.
What’s the issue after the game? Some free kicks that were right anyway. What a laugh.

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Solid melt, would read again.

 

[PhatBoy]

yep, 1 in about 25 years. well below afl avg.

Well no, you’ve had Viney, Chris Johnson, Billy Stretch, Taj Woewodin.

That’s 4 in 25 years, Danster. You’ve also got Kynan Brown on your rookie list I believe.

What’s well below AFL average, is the 1 flag in 25 years this century. Average is 1 every 18 years.

 

[Whiskers]

Solid melt, would read again.

Just sick of nuffies like you, can’t stand them.
Have an ability to think, that’s all I ask.

 

[danster168]

Well no, you’ve had Viney, Chris Johnson, Billy Stretch, Taj Woewodin.

That’s 4 in 25 years, Danster. You’ve also got Kynan Brown on your rookie list I believe.

What’s well below AFL average, is the 1 flag in 25 years this century. Average is 1 every 18 years.

yeah they'll move the needle a couple of late round flyers

 

[danster168]

Come on, we're all being honest here. Geelong was everyone's 2nd favourite team pre-2007. Since then no other side has won more premierships than Geelong, won more games, won more finals, you name it. Pissing on equalisation in an era that does everything possible to equalise the comp, it's dare I say, unprecedented!

if the afl wanted to equalise the comp they would've abolished the f/s rule altogether decades ago. throw in the nga nonsense. And now the top teams (Brisbane, dogs, Collingwood and geelong) are basically just the 4 clubs that have been the most kissed. nothing more, nothing less.

 

[PhatBoy]

yeah they'll move the needle a couple of late round flyers

That’s not Geelong’s fault. Develop them better. Ablett and Scarlett weren’t supposed to move the needle either. Only Hawkins was. Even he looked like being a bust for a few years.

Your best player perhaps since Barassi was taken in the mid 30s and you’ve turned him into one of the greatest ruckmen who’s ever lived. Do better with your father sons if it is such a huge advantage for other clubs when they get mid-level junior talent through that avenue and turn them into all timers.

Or, you know, just do what normal adults do and stop moaning about it and accept other teams’ success. Hawthorn did it their way, Brisbane did it their way, we did it our way, Richmond did it their way, etc etc.

 

[danster168]

That’s not Geelong’s fault. Develop them better. Ablett and Scarlett weren’t supposed to move the needle either. Only Hawkins was. Even he looked like being a bust for a few years.

Your best player perhaps since Barassi was taken in the mid 30s and you’ve turned him into one of the greatest ruckmen who’s ever lived. Do better with your father sons if it is such a huge advantage for other clubs when they get mid-level junior talent through that avenue and turn them into all timers.

Or, you know, just do what normal adults do and stop moaning about it and accept other teams’ success. Hawthorn did it their way, Brisbane did it their way, we did it our way, Richmond did it their way, etc etc.

yeah you did such an amazing job developing a 110kg number 1 draft prospect with pick 41. what an amazing bit of recruiting and developing.

hawks did ut through the draft. Roughead, Franklin and Lewis. All top 10 picks. Melb did the same with Petracca, Oliver and Brayshaw. Geelong and those other clubs in mentioned did so with gifted high end father/sons. nothing to do with development.

 

[PhatBoy]

yeah you did such an amazing job developing a 110kg number 1 draft prospect with pick 41. what an amazing bit of recruiting and developing.

What should we have done instead. NOT gotten 800 goals out of him and 3 flags?

Had 17-18 top 10 picks over a couple of decades and turned it into 1 grand final appearance and got to the point of having to deliberately lose games to try and get ahead?

Well done on your work developing the guy who is currently the best power forward in the game and making the most of him. It’s almost like you could have done with a good key forward in the time since, even allowing for the flag run.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Just sick of nuffies like you, can’t stand them.
Have an ability to think, that’s all I ask.

Lol, I didnt comment on any of the things you listed in your unhinged rant.
All I did was point out you've had the rub of the green in 2/3 of your 'hard half' of the draw which, whilst it might not fit your narrative, is a fact.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

if the afl wanted to equalise the comp they would've abolished the f/s rule altogether decades ago. throw in the nga nonsense. And now the top teams (Brisbane, dogs, Collingwood and geelong) are basically just the 4 clubs that have been the most kissed. nothing more, nothing less.

Yep, and Geelong has the most lipstick witness marks.
People in places of influence, unique home ground, dodgy 3rd party deals and the rub of the green to make a certainty of it.

Talk about a welfare club.

No doubt there was a time they had an unbelievable list that was worthy of those 07, 09, 11 flags but to have only jagged 1 since, considering the advantages they get on and off the field, is actually below par, and as a Port supporter I know below par when I see it.

 

[SleepingGiant]

The biggest rort Geelong have in my opinion is excessive conflicts of interest between AFL House and their club (Hocking changing rules etc), 3rd party arrangements (Scott, Smith, Property deals), and most alarmingly the recruitment of players like Bailey Smith

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One minute he is conveniently depressed and snorting coke while traversing Europe, and just happens to lower his draft value enough to go to Geelong and be a Brownlow contender the next year. JUH is the one to watch and if he or Reid nominate Geelong this year or next that is honestly the crux of it. It's fine if these players want their Geelong lifestyle (whatever it is I grew up there and it ain't crash hot), but you should rightfully pay a fair price for the players wanting to go there.

If players are going to manipulate draft value and Geelong can manage to continuously grab these players whilst paying minimal compensation, they are not going anywhere and will sit perched in the Top 4-8 teams into perpetuity.

 

[PhatBoy]

Lol, I didnt comment on any of the things you listed in your unhinged rant.
All I did was point out you've had the rub of the green in 2/3 of your 'hard half' of the draw which, whilst it might not fit your narrative, is a fact.

We’ve won 7 free kick counts and lost 4. Oh wow, it’s a global conspiracy. If we have 3 less against Adelaide suddenly we’ve won 6 and lost 5.

We’re through the looking glass here everybody.

19 years with 13 preliminary finals and we’ve just worked out why. It’s the whistle