Geelong rorting the system

[The Golden Glenferrie]

Thoughts and/or concerns?

Sydney going to get back in the rorting game with this one.

 

[Elixuh]

Sydney going to get back in the rorting game with this one.

The age of the VFL is over. The time of the northern clubs has come. Bow you cowards.

 

[pico]

Your mind is going to blow when you find out about the MCG

I do know about that neutral shared ground, which also served as Melbourne's home ground until 1973.

Pity we can’t play at our home ground in finals. You know the most important games.
I would be quite happy to share our ground with a number of other teams, play at GMHBA 15 times a year, have Collingwood upgrade and play out of VIC Park 9 times a year. (whilst never have to play there ourselves)

AND when it comes to finals play teams like Collingwood and Richmond in Geelong whilst finishing lower than them on the ladder.
Now that would be great.

Pity that Essendon can't play at windy hill and Collingwood at victoria park during the regular season

Fun fact: geelong is the only team that never plays finals in its home city.

Fun fact: geelong is the only team that has to play home games outside its home city that is also in its oppositions home city. And this often includes finals when geelong is the home ranked side.

Oh the horror. One wonders how they survive. Geelong play 9 home games per season on their home ground. St Kilda on the hand play all "home games" in docklands, despite training in moorabbin. I know which one I would prefer if I were involved with those clubs

 

[Seeds]

I’d be supportive of Geelong trying to secure a State of Origin game. Perfect ground for it. The standard AFL dimensions are already perfect for a game of league, just paint two try lines at either end.

Kardinia Park has literally the best dimensions for afl. Longer thin ground making the game play more direct and making it harder to flood defenses. I advocate the mcg ground gets extended by 20 metres and the wings brought in 20 meters. It will help make afl a more attractive product.

 

[Seeds]

I do know about that neutral shared ground, which also served as Melbourne's home ground until 1973.

Pity that Essendon can't play at windy hill and Collingwood at victoria park during the regular season

Oh the horror. One wonders how they survive. Geelong play 9 home games per season on their home ground. St Kilda on the hand play all "home games" in docklands, despite training in moorabbin. I know which one I would prefer if I were involved with those clubs

Stkildas situation is more preferable definitely. They play like 15 games a year in their home city. Geelong plays 9. And training on a ground is basically irrelevant. It would add zero advantage if you are playing there 10 plus times a year. People who argue that point clearly haven't played football.

 

[Purple Suit]

Kardinia Park has literally the best dimensions for afl. Longer thin ground making the game play more direct and making it harder to flood defenses. I advocate the mcg ground gets extended by 20 metres and the wings brought in 20 meters. It will help make afl a more attractive product.

It's not even symmetrical, it's a cheat ground with weird dimensions that should have never been allowed to be turned into a 40K stadium without fixing it up along the way.

 

[PhatBoy]

Geelong and rorting the salary cap.. go together like Jay-Z and sex trafficking. There is lots of smoke, and where there's smoke.. there's fire.

Where’s the smoke? People on a forum saying that there’s smoke?

How compelling

 

[PhatBoy]

It's not even symmetrical, it's a cheat ground with weird dimensions that should have never been allowed to be turned into a 40K stadium without fixing it up along the way.

Cheat ground…. Because…. Because one team what, gets the ball and the ground changes shape while they have the ball and then changes again when they don’t?

You’re saying that footballers who get paid between $150,000-$1.4 million a year to kick a ball are thwarted because of a boundary line and can’t navigate their way around a stadium and find teammates in similar attire, and dispossess opponents in contrasting attire, because of where the boundary is.

It’s certainly an interesting theory*


*excuse

 

[FootyLad0]

it's a cheat ground

HE SAID THE LINE!

 

[pico]

Kardinia park is indeed a cheat ground, but it has proper dimensions. The MCGs dimensions, as much as people like them, are ridiculous. A circle is not an oval

 

[captain bloodsport]

Cheat ground…. Because…. Because one team what, gets the ball and the ground changes shape while they have the ball and then changes again when they don’t?

You’re saying that footballers who get paid between $150,000-$1.4 million a year to kick a ball are thwarted because of a boundary line and can’t navigate their way around a stadium and find teammates in similar attire, and dispossess opponents in contrasting attire, because of where the boundary is.

It’s certainly an interesting theory*


*excuse

It's a different shape than other grounds, it's not cheating but it would be an advantage. Hence the term home ground advantage

 

[Mr Meow]

cheat ground

 

[STPer18]

Kardinia Park has literally the best dimensions for afl. Longer thin ground making the game play more direct and making it harder to flood defenses. I advocate the mcg ground gets extended by 20 metres and the wings brought in 20 meters. It will help make afl a more attractive product.

Collingwood's gone back to their boring boundary-hugging at the wide expanses of the MCG gameplan that they brought in back during 2010/11 to great effect. It took Geelong to save football back then (and from the Paul Roos flood of 05/06), it might be up to us again.

 

[FootyLad0]

 

[PhatBoy]

It's a different shape than other grounds, it's not cheating but it would be an advantage. Hence the term home ground advantage

It’s an oval. They’re all ovals. Big deal.

If it’s that big an advantage, it should create a bigger disadvantage when we travel.

Instead, we’ve pieced together the best travelling record in the league across not just small, but 15 season sample sizes. Ie. with our 07-11 period of total domination removed.

Excuse making at its peak.

 

[FootyLad0]

Collingwood's gone back to their boring boundary-hugging at the wide expanses of the MCG gameplan that they brought in back during 2010/11 to great effect. It took Geelong to save football back then (and from the Paul Roos flood of 05/06), it might be up to us again.

Pretty sure it was Ken Hinkley who saved footy in 2007 mastering the super attacking footy the Cats played.
The genius who basically created how modern footy is played that everyone else has tried to emulate since (nowhere near as good)

What a legend, a Cats icon....don't know what happened to him after he left Geelong?
Did he go back to coaching local amateurs?

 

[Mr Meow]

It's a different shape than other grounds, it's not cheating but it would be an advantage. Hence the term home ground advantage

Lost in finals where premierships are decided though. The handful of sides that get no genuine home finals face the biggest obstacle in winning a flag.

It would be like if Richmond had to play all of its finals 2017-2020 at the Gabba. They got the job done in 2020, but a huge part of that was built on the belief and success of earlier successful campaigns (at home).

 

[STPer18]

Pretty sure it was Ken Hinkley who saved footy in 2007 mastering the super attacking footy the Cats played.
The genius who basically created how modern footy is played that everyone else has tried to emulate since (nowhere near as good)

What a legend, a Cats icon....don't know what happened to him after he left Geelong?
Did he go back to coaching local amateurs?

Something like that. A little club called Port Power.

 

[Mr Meow]

It’s an oval. They’re all ovals. Big deal.

If it’s that big an advantage, it should create a bigger disadvantage when we travel.

Instead, we’ve pieced together the best travelling record in the league across not just small, but 15 season sample sizes. Ie. with our 07-11 period of total domination removed.

Excuse making at its peak.

Exactly. Much how you could argue St Kilda (for example) are used to playing at Marvel, where a lot of other sides are poor. Well then they face a relative disadvantage when they venture away, and that is doubled down come finals time (no finals at Marvel).

 

[FootyLad0]

Something like that. A little club called Port Power.

 

[longdonkey]

Laughable claims.

Not even FIFA sign off the World Cup Finals to the Arabs till 2050

 

[captain bloodsport]

Lost in finals where premierships are decided though. The handful of sides that get no genuine home finals face the biggest obstacle in winning a flag.

It would be like if Richmond had to play all of its finals 2017-2020 at the Gabba. They got the job done in 2020, but a huge part of that was built on the belief and success of earlier successful campaigns (at home).

I agree with you. Having a home final where you come out to deafening boo's is quite the obstacle.
Great teams should win anywhere, but how often do teams play at gmhba, it is an advantage

 

[longdonkey]

Pity that Essendon can't play at windy hill and Collingwood at victoria park during the regular season

Yeah apparently piss is good for hair growth.

 

[Mr Meow]

I agree with you. Having a home final where you come out to deafening boo's is quite the obstacle.
Great teams should win anywhere, but how often do teams play at gmhba, it is an advantage

Agreed, which is why 2007, 2009, 2011 and 2022 were outstanding Geelong teams while some other contending sides were just good ones.

On your last point, sure it's an advantage in H&A - similar to what non Vic sides get - but they can at least earn genuine home ground QF/PFs as well. Setting them up (mostly) for being found out on grand final day at the G.

 

[Purple Suit]

Kardinia park is indeed a cheat ground, but it has proper dimensions. The MCGs dimensions, as much as people like them, are ridiculous. A circle is not an oval

An oval is symmetrical from both the end and side, KP isn’t an oval.

MCG isn’t a circle last time I checked.