Geelong - Too old, too slow?

[Aristotle Pickett]

They aren't going to part with a top pick though

True but maybe a high second rounder.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

True but maybe a high second rounder.

A high third rounder more likely.
Hawkins isn't a missing piece for any contender.
Hawthorn traded a high pick for Lake because they needed him as he was the missing piece. No contender needs hawkins

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

A high third rounder more likely.
Hawkins isn't a missing piece for any contender.
Hawthorn traded a high pick for Lake because they needed him as he was the missing piece. No contender needs hawkins

GWS would give a second rounder imo

 

[Elixuh]

Geelong's big name recruit in Cameron really failed to fire. What a shame.

 

[SunshineBoy]

Someone in the premiership window would give him a 2 year contact.

Yeah , Geelong

 

[SunshineBoy]

Geelong's big name recruit in Cameron really failed to fire. What a shame.

Three first round picks, one goal for every pick

 

[QuietB]

A high third rounder more likely.
Hawkins isn't a missing piece for any contender.
Hawthorn traded a high pick for Lake because they needed him as he was the missing piece. No contender needs hawkins

Melbourne would be pretty scary with Hawkins

 

[doppleganger]

It isn't a vic thing. It's a media thing. They have had a massive hard on for Geelong for 20 odd years

The media lavishes praise over teams that are good....Geelong have been one of the best teams for 20 years.

Joel's 14th final series, 36th final....he is now just 3 finals behind Tuck!!

 

[doppleganger]

Melbourne would be pretty scary with Hawkins

Would love Tomahawk at the Pies for a couple of years, bloke has been the best KPF in the game for the last 3 years.

Makes no sense for Geelong to get rid of him, he is too valuable to them and no club will give them anything but a speculative pick for him.

Scott already did the move on legends thing - Chapman, StevieJ, J.Kelly etc. finished elsewhere....you can do that with mids and flankers, but not with your KP players.

 

[michaelk]

The excitement comes from the potential of seeing younger players debut and start to improve. We've played some horrible to watch footy at times in the last few seasons but watching the likes of butters, rozee, duursma, Bergman, drew, Georgiades and Jones come on and look the goods is what keeps it exciting.

Feel like Geelong has kinda robbed themselves of that with the dads army and constant topping up.

Great post.
Sure, its not fun to bottom out as a club - and as a member, not fun to see you win so few games in a season. But at least you can pick young players at the draft and hope to watch them improve over a decade. To see Rayner and Bailey at the lions, the young stars at port, Naughton and Bailey smith at the Bulldogs, how a melb supporter would have loved to see Petracca, Oliver and Viney last night, Will Day for us, Cotchin, Riewoldt, Rance and Cotchin for the Tigers.

Or you can barrack for Tuohy, Shaun Higgins, Isaac Smith, Jack Stevens, Josh Jenkins at the Cats.

 

[sobrave]

The media lavishes praise over teams that are good....Geelong have been one of the best teams for 20 years.

Joel's 14th final series, 36th final....he is now just 3 finals behind Tuck!!

how many losses?

 

[Boozeroo]

When you get 56 Home games every year, it can patch over a few issues

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[Grrr]

Grigg, Townsend, Caddy. If you're counting all the Geelong players who've been here long enough to rack up 100 games (or who were healthy and weren't selected), you have to do the same for Richmond.

Meant to add Caddy when I said 5, so in total 7 in that 5 years. If you want to go back and list your delisted/retired players from a couple of years ago then you'll no doubt add to your 10. More of a response to the inference than Richmond recruited in players for our flag years.

 

[Freomaniac]

I think Scott is too entrenched in his own siege mentality to make the correct decisions going forward. A bit like Rambo. He will just keep fighting even when the war is clearly over. He's too far gone.

What Geelong need now is the old wise head like Trautman who can call Rambo in and tell him it's time to put down weapons.

Somebody at Geelong needs to have the courage to stand up to Chris Scott and get him to stop the pointless Guerilla war.

I am suprised you have not the Taliban in this post lol

 

[Grrr]

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That's a fair photoshop job.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Meant to add Caddy when I said 5, so in total 7 in that 5 years. If you want to go back and list your delisted/retired players from a couple of years ago then you'll no doubt add to your 10. More of a response to the inference than Richmond recruited in players for our flag years.

Wasn't trying to take a potshot at Richmond, honestly with first rounders like Rance, Riewoldt, Cochin and Martin (the latter two very early first round picks) they've done the build through the draft thing about as well as you can these days. Just a comment that it's not really set up for teams to solely build through the draft and you're probably going to end up with at least a handful of imports in your best side.

 

[Chinacats]

how many losses?

Cats are 19-18 in finals since Selwood has been there. Not sure which one he missed. So he is about even now. As captain in the negative.

 

[Chinacats]

Yes cats are too old. They weren’t proactive enough to take the squad mentality approach during the year and rest old players and give enough games to youngsters. Cooked in September yet again.

 

[Crow_Magnon]

Those long suffering Melbourne fans...who sat through belting after belting in the late 2000s, then spent the majority of the 2010s also stuck in bottom four finally get a season of some success...yet if they don't win the flag, is that a failed season according to bigfooty nuffies?

Or Lions, they have blown three straight top4 finishes...should they head back to another decade of bottom4 finishes?

Yep, the world of bigfooty where how many top5 draft picks you have is better than seeing your club win...as it enables you to talk about a positive future where you might win some games.

People seem to easily forget the blatant tanking that Melbourne employed also to get where they are. In my view this is effectively the same as draft tampering, and they should've been hit harder than they were at the time with loss of draft picks, etc. As much as I despise Port, at least they've traded well to get where they are without completely bottoming out for years on end.

 

[mrmonkey]

Geelong's first and second round picks they've traded away for older players since 2014:

Pick 21 for Rhys Stanley
Picks 9 and 28 for Patrick Dangerfield
2016 first rounder for Lachie Henderson
2017 second rounder for Zach Touhy
Pick 19 for Gary Ablett (turning 34)
Pick 30 for Shaun Higgins
Picks 13, 15 and 20 for Jeremy Cameron (2 mid-second rounders coming back)

That's at least 8 quality young players you could've brought in. Remember the 2007-2011 days? That was built on the back of picking up guys like Bartel, Chapman, Kelly, Mackie, Corey, Ling, Enright and Ablett over a four year period.

Sure, you've had some stinker first rounders over the last decade, but are you really comfortable with using that as an excuse for filling such a large portion of the list with old players? Especially considering the draft is where you built your 07-11 champion team?

I don't have a problem with those trades Geelong were always there abouts and brought in quality players and have managed to stay in contention. They almost pulled it off as well. Pretty sure Melbourne tried to lure Dangerfield as well, at the time he was just about the best player in the competition. Most those trades being picks 20+ no big deal and they backed Stephen wells to work his magic with what they had. Melbourne were bloody exciting last night but building that team took a bloody long time when you don't get it right.

 

[Ceanag]

The media lavishes praise over teams that are good....Geelong have been one of the best teams for 20 years.

Joel's 14th final series, 36th final....he is now just 3 finals behind Tuck!!

Still a ducker ..... ooops must check my spelling.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

They are cooked

If they top up and make another prelim after this I'm ready for the Netflix doco

Untold - the Scott debacle

 

[r_boy]

Untold - the Scott debacle

It will be like Moneyball and Oakland winning 20 baseball games in a row with a bunch of rejects but this time its making 15 AFL prelims in a row with a bunch of geriatrics.

 

[TP86]

All is forgiven. They were #sobrave to play sick!

 

[HairyO]

Its the “rob tomorrow to pay today” strategy Hawthorn used. Eventually you’ve got to sort tomorrow out but if you think your best are still good enough you keep going. Hawthorn overplayed their hand and went too long.

But we 3-peated which made going for the 4th worth the risk.