Geelong - Too old, too slow?

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Ricketz

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As soon as it's big boy time and the preassure mounts they can't deal with it. When there is not as much preassure like in the H&A, they can deal with it. Their brand is just putrid in finals and it needs a change as does their recruiting strategy of downhill skiers.
Yeah probably. But at least we didn't raise the white flag three weeks before finals started when we still had a chance to make them. :$
 

Ricketz

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Yep cos you can keep losing players under 25yo and keep replacing them with 30yos forever.
Its technically possible.

Those super young and quick sides Port and Western Bulldogs lost their last game of the season by 12 and 9 less points than we did respectively. Both were flogged. Brisbane straight sets again.

If Geelong are too old and too slow, and our recruiting strategy wont win a premieship - what does it say about those three teams and the talent they have on their lists?

The reality is that it has been a tough two years and losing six weeks of preseason hurts anybody. Not a single team that made last years finals raised more than a whimper this year.
 

demondavey

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Its technically possible.

Those super young and quick sides Port and Western Bulldogs lost their last game of the season by 12 and 9 less points than we did respectively. Both were flogged. Brisbane straight sets again.

If Geelong are too old and too slow, and our recruiting strategy wont win a premieship - what does it say about those three teams and the talent they have on their lists?

The reality is that it has been a tough two years and losing six weeks of preseason hurts anybody. Not a single team that made last years finals raised more than a whimper this year.
You had your window in 19-20. To think that you’ll be able to have a genuine crack next year is hopeful at best. You just can’t keep rolling with the same formula for finals. I was shocked we won by 14 goals against you.
 

krided

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You had your window in 19-20. To think that you’ll be able to have a genuine crack next year is hopeful at best. You just can’t keep rolling with the same formula for finals. I was shocked we won by 14 goals against you.
We'll probably reach finals again next year and some older-well known cats will retire after.

2022 has to be the start of rebuilding not only the entire team but coaching staff as well.
 

demondavey

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We'll probably reach finals again next year and some older-well known cats will retire after.

2022 has to be the start of rebuilding not only the entire team but coaching staff as well.
So what’s the deal with Enright and Scarlett? Just left? Not seeing eye to eye with Scott?
 

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PhatBoy

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Were they sacked or did they resign?

More than likely as opposed to the hyperbolic response you got previously, it was one prelim loss too many and with a soon to be changing demographic of our playing list and the fact that Scott is contracted for at least another year, they simply decided to try something new starting with the line coaches
 

catscollector

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Were they sacked or did they resign?
Not sure.
Some are saying there was an altercation which took place but it could be more to do with the fact our game style was mundane and incredibly one dimensional. Lacking creativity and that rests on the coaches and those who pick the players every week.

The over reliance on older players to get the job done has crippled our list for the immediate future. We have young players asking for trades and while Chris Scott remains at the helm, he will ask for more 'ready-made players' so we can go for it one last time in 2022.

More than likely as opposed to the hyperbolic response you got previously, it was one prelim loss too many and with a soon to be changing demographic of our playing list and the fact that Scott is contracted for at least another year, they simply decided to try something new starting with the line coaches
One preliminary final loss too many along with one qualifying final loss too many. The fact Chris Scott is a 40% finals winning coach is all you need to know. Hit the jackpot with an all time great list in his first year as coach. Since then . . . the bloke has shown us all he cannot do anything without elite top end talent snagging him the W's. Exposed to be fraud he is as a coach when it's time to play the big boys.

Unless of course 2022 is drastically cut short helping the old timers run out games till the 16th minute of the final quarter.
 

Cotchins Hair Piece

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The answer to the title is yes. And Chris Scott signing on for three more years is an absolute delight.
 

Cyber_punk

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The answer to the title is yes. And Chris Scott signing on for three more years is an absolute delight.
Definitely a strange decision. How many coaches have had a 2 year extension straight after a 90pt PF loss?

No major changes and they still think their 33/4+ yo players can jag them a flag.

 

Here we go dogs

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How many times have Geelong been written off the last 14 years.

2010 - Everyone said they were too old and slow after they got smashed in prelim. Won a flag the next year.

2015 - Missed finals for the first time in years, came back and finished 2nd in 2016. Albeit they recruited big names in Dangerfield.

2018 - Well beaten in the elim final. Not given much chance of being a contender the next year. Strategically picked up a couple of small forwards to add some pace and pressure to a slow forward line enabling them to finish first the following year.

They still have good players and are great at strategically identifying need based talent. They have shown time and time again they can bounce back quickly.

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they contended again next year.
 

bzparkes

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How many times have Geelong been written off the last 14 years.

2010 - Everyone said they were too old and slow after they got smashed in prelim. Won a flag the next year.

2015 - Missed finals for the first time in years, came back and finished 2nd in 2016. Albeit they recruited big names in Dangerfield.

2018 - Well beaten in the elim final. Not given much chance of being a contender the next year. Strategically picked up a couple of small forwards to add some pace and pressure to a slow forward line enabling them to finish first the following year.

They still have good players and are great at strategically identifying need based talent. They have shown time and time again they can bounce back quickly.

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they contended again next year.
But 'contend' is all they appear to be capable of. All those prelims and they only made the Covid cup GF last year, where they were easily put away in the second half.

Not sure certain players of theirs have the edge to play well in finals either, Dangerfield and Rohan 2 obvious ones who come to mind.

Of course, this could all change with a fresh bunch of assistants with new ideas. Mystifying that they'd choose to extend Scott for another couple of seasons before seeing what the new guys were capable of though. Other clubs sniffing around maybe?
 

Here we go dogs

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But 'contend' is all they appear to be capable of. All those prelims and they only made the Covid cup GF last year, where they were easily put away in the second half.

Not sure certain players of theirs have the edge to play well in finals either, Dangerfield and Rohan 2 obvious ones who come to mind.

Of course, this could all change with a fresh bunch of assistants with new ideas. Mystifying that they'd choose to extend Scott for another couple of seasons before seeing what the new guys were capable of though. Other clubs sniffing around maybe?
Your right they haven’t taken the next step. I am more pointing out that I would not expect a substantial drop off and that they continually put themselves in a position to win one.


I agree regarding Rohan, he isn’t up to finals footy. Danger seems to bashed up every year it gets to September, I think they need to better manage him throughout the H&A season.
 

master bate

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How many times have Geelong been written off the last 14 years.

2010 - Everyone said they were too old and slow after they got smashed in prelim. Won a flag the next year.

2015 - Missed finals for the first time in years, came back and finished 2nd in 2016. Albeit they recruited big names in Dangerfield.

2018 - Well beaten in the elim final. Not given much chance of being a contender the next year. Strategically picked up a couple of small forwards to add some pace and pressure to a slow forward line enabling them to finish first the following year.

They still have good players and are great at strategically identifying need based talent. They have shown time and time again they can bounce back quickly.

Wouldn’t be surprised at all if they contended again next year.
Writing them off after 2010 was pretty crazy, that generation of players certainly weren't done. Selwood, Taylor, Hawkins hitting their primes and the older guys kept that group up for a long time, plus they added the likes of Duncan and Guthrie.

Then the way they rebuilt on the run with Dangerfield, Touhy, Henderson, Dahlhaus as mature players and incredible draft picks like Stewart, Blicavs, Menegola, Tim Kelly (became Cameron) has been phenomenal too.

I guess the question is now they're looking at replacing another generation that wasn't a 3 time flag winning group but a few levels below that and there isn't Selwood, Hawkins and Taylor to hand over too. Cameron in the back end of his career, Stewart and I guess Parfitt?

They're going to have to keep nailing mature age pick ups and free agents just to stay afloat and they can't point to Selwood, Danger and Hawkins as the reasons they could jag a flag any more.

Some of their older guys who get games week after week simply aren't that good, so they won't have to find superstars, but just finding competent players isn't easy. There's a lot of sides who struggle to get a team of solid players on the ground each week.

My guess is they keep finding a way to do it for a while longer but at some stage you got to cut the cord and say unless another superstar former Geelong falcon like Dangerfield comes knocking on the door wanting a trade then what's the point trying to stay relevant but not winning it all.
 

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