Traded Geelong trade #59 and #60 to Collingwood for #51

[Lore]

 

[Longy_Zillmere]

Biggest move of the trade period

 

[year of the cat]

Here we come

 

[Keystone agony]

Simple.

Extra points for pies

Geelong probably not using both 59 and 60. Just one so why not upgrade

 

[Suma Magic]

So the pies have to cut to 35 players to take 5 picks in.

Anyone know their list status?

 

[Keystone agony]

So the pies have to cut to 35 players to take 5 picks in.

Anyone know their list status?

Why do they need to take 5 picks in?

 

[Suma Magic]

Why do they need to take 5 picks in?

They just traded for 59 and 60. They would be their 4th and 5th picks in the draft.

You can only take in as many live picks as you have spare list spots.

So you’d assume that they would only trade for them if they could use them in the draft.

 

[Badesumofu]

So you’d assume that they would only trade for them if they could use them in the draft.

They'd have traded them in for points, I'd think.

 

[Suma Magic]

They'd have traded them in for points, I'd think.

They can only take in as many picks as lost spots though, regardless of whether they are used for points or live selections.

 

[Suma Magic]

With Roughead and Beams coming in, the Pies now have to cut 7 players.

The options:

1. Kirby
2. Smith
3. McLarty
4. Murray
5. Blair
6. Daicos
7. Wills (to rookie)
8. Broomhead (to rookie)
9. Goldsack
10. Greenwood

Actually doesn't seem that hard looking at that list.

 

[STPer18]

On-trade that for Fyfe.

 

[Moeydw]

With Roughead and Beams coming in, the Pies now have to cut 7 players.

The options:

1. Kirby
2. Smith
3. McLarty
4. Murray
5. Blair
6. Daicos
7. Wills (to rookie)
8. Broomhead (to rookie)
9. Goldsack
10. Greenwood

Actually doesn't seem that hard looking at that list.

Murray wont be delisted until the investigation is over, wish he could be though.

 

[Suma Magic]

Murray wont be delisted until the investigation is over, wish he could be though.

Good to know.

Who are Pies fans tipping as the 7 players to be moved off the main list (assuming no more trades are made)?

 

[Hamingja]

Geelong must be confident that no one is bidding on Brownless in the top 50.

 

[barrackers]

With Roughead and Beams coming in, the Pies now have to cut 7 players.

The options:

1. Kirby
2. Smith
3. McLarty
4. Murray
5. Blair
6. Daicos
7. Wills (to rookie)
8. Broomhead (to rookie)
9. Goldsack
10. Greenwood

Actually doesn't seem that hard looking at that list.

Thomas also needs to be upgraded from the rookie list, but we went into 2018 with 39 on the senior list, so his upgrade doesn't change things. Fasolo (FA) and Broomhead (delisted with a view to rookie) are our only confirmed list departures, so we need to delist 5 players.

1. Kirby - likely to retire according to his manager
2. Smith
3. McLarty
4. Murray - contracted, will the b test result be known in time?
5. Blair
6. Daicos - reportedly has re-signed
7. Wills (to rookie) - contracted
8. Goldsack - mixed reports that player/club are working on contract
9. Greenwood

Kirby, Smith and Blair all likely to depart, so that leaves two of McLarty, Murray, Greenwood and possibly Goldsack.

 

[master bate]

Laughable that a pick 60 has any value at all and can be part of a contribution to a top 30 selection. Anyway, whatever, well done to both clubs. Bring on the trades.

 

[liz]

Thomas also needs to be upgraded from the rookie list, but we went into 2018 with 39 on the senior list, so his upgrade doesn't change things.

I think that actually helps you. For the purposes of determining how many spots you have entering the National Draft, his spot is free. You'll use your last pick in the ND to upgrade him, and it doesn't matter if it's a junk pick at the end of the draft.

For the purposes of working out how many spots you have (and thus how many picks with points attached you have available to match bids), the AFL uses 40 as the base-line. So even if you intend to go with a senior list of 39 again, 35 is the magic number the Pies need to get their list down to before the ND to enable them to use the five picks they currently hold with points attached. And as per above, that 35 excludes Thomas.

 

[Suma Magic]

I think that actually helps you. For the purposes of determining how many spots you have entering the National Draft, his spot is free. You'll use your last pick in the ND to upgrade him, and it doesn't matter if it's a junk pick at the end of the draft.

For the purposes of working out how many spots you have (and thus how many picks with points attached you have available to match bids), the AFL uses 40 as the base-line. So even if you intend to go with a senior list of 39 again, 35 is the magic number the Pies need to get their list down to before the ND to enable them to use the five picks they currently hold with points attached. And as per above, that 35 excludes Thomas.

I don’t think it works that way. I’m pretty sure clubs nominate rookie upgrades before the draft and they arent live picks as other clubs can’t poach them.

 

[barrackers]

I think that actually helps you. For the purposes of determining how many spots you have entering the National Draft, his spot is free. You'll use your last pick in the ND to upgrade him, and it doesn't matter if it's a junk pick at the end of the draft.

For the purposes of working out how many spots you have (and thus how many picks with points attached you have available to match bids), the AFL uses 40 as the base-line. So even if you intend to go with a senior list of 39 again, 35 is the magic number the Pies need to get their list down to before the ND to enable them to use the five picks they currently hold with points attached. And as per above, that 35 excludes Thomas.

Definitely used to be the case however rookie upgrades are no longer read out on draft night. As you say perhaps an upgrade still counts towards the number of picks? It's not something I've looked up, so can't confirm oneway or the other.

 

[liz]

I don’t think it works that way. I’m pretty sure clubs nominate rookie upgrades before the draft and they arent live picks as other clubs can’t poach them.

They are live picks. That's why Thomas won't be deemed to already be on the Pies' list at the start of the draft, so his spot will be available for the notional allocation of a draft pick. By the time he is actually elevated, the nominal pick used for him will have been pushed back towards the end of the draft, but isn't of any concern to the Pies. It doesn't make any difference when you're elevating a rookie.

 

[liz]

Definitely used to be the case however rookie upgrades are no longer read out on draft night. As you say perhaps an upgrade still counts towards the number of picks? It's not something I've looked up, so can't confirm oneway or the other.

The names are no longer read out, but the mechanism is the same. You effectively use your last pick in the draft to upgrade any nominated rookies. And one upgraded rookie can count towards the minimum quota of three players each club is required to add on draft night. (But only one. Clubs have to select at least two new players.)

 

[Babylove]

With Roughead and Beams coming in, the Pies now have to cut 7 players.

The options:

1. Kirby
2. Smith
3. McLarty
4. Murray
5. Blair
6. Daicos
7. Wills (to rookie)
8. Broomhead (to rookie)
9. Goldsack
10. Greenwood

Actually doesn't seem that hard looking at that list.

It would be more like five actually as Fasolo moved off the list through free agency and we started the season with only 39 on the senior list (Thomas playing as a nominated rookie)

I reckon four of those will be:
1. Kirby - all but confirmed that he won’t be able to continue with his AFL career due to his heart issue
2. Broomhead - has been confirmed he will move to the rookie list
3. Smith
4. Blair

You can pretty much confirm it won’t be:
1. Greenwood - he has trade currency so if we were going to move him off the list it would have been in trade week
2. Goldsack - confirmed through trade week a contract had been agreed to in principle

That leaves
1. Murray
2. McLarty
3. Daicos (be surprised if it’s him)
4. Wills

To make up the fifth spot.