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Yeah that's right. It was v PA. Stanley was still out. Blicavs basically rucked the whole game.Did Stanley miss that match, meaning it was Blicavs rucking & Neale providing some support
Surely the coaches have been having these discussions with him and telling him what to do in these situations.That may be where he ends up next year...
The frustration is that you see the good & the great from him in one passage but then tear your hair out in the next
There was a passage in the second quarter where I just fell in love with Dempsey, and it was the sort of thing that his coaches & teammates would love seeing - 2nd qtr, defensive side of the wing he attempts to handball to a teammate but misses. He doesn't stop, instead he follows up the loose ball not just once but goes in for a third time when a Richmond player gets involved - yes he made an error but he put in the second & third efforts to stay involved, & try to correct the error was really promising to see
Compare that with Narkle in the third, the ball in our forward 50 with Richmond trying to clear the ball - he goes in with his first effort, but Richmond get a handball away and Narkle turns his back on the play... It was super frustrating, and just want to see him pull the finger out & show some urgency
We have a problem in the forward line with dealing with the long kick in to a pack. Hawk can't jump. Cameron can take a pack mark but not often, and he likes to rove the pack. Rohan can jump but often can't quite hold on to the ball, probably as he isn't that tall. That is why Sav was kept in the team but frustrated us with his lack of possessions and limited ruck skills. Neale could do Sav's role but the club will prefer Sav's experience, particularly as finals approach.Yeah, but structurally I don't think it really worked that game. Similar to when Sav was in the side. Unless the extra tall can do a bulk of the ruck work, the role can be a bit unclear.
Oh well if the club don't think of the future they should look at leavingYeah that's right. It was v PA. Stanley was still out. Blicavs basically rucked the whole game.
Could throw Close in there as well, a sub fifty gamer who has it all over Kolodjashnij in terms of footy IQ (well most of the team does to be honest)
Negates his direct opponent more often then not, but heck, your hearts in your mouth whenever he has the ball; I'd like to find a stat that shows how many goals he's cost us over the journey.
It's a good question you pose, does the good outweigh the bad, I guess in the eyes of the MC the answer is yes, guess opinion would be much more divided among the fans though.
That's bit of an extreme response to what was said, and not sure it's actually relevant when pointing out that Neale's debut came in a match when we were missing our #1 ruck, and thus already going in shorterOh well if the club don't think of the future they should look at leaving
I dunno. That can be the case if players feel like they're not getting the opportunity to develop or to take the next step. I don't think that's the case with Neale or with many of the young players really.Oh well if the club don't think of the future they should look at leaving
I am just getting frustrated that we are going to do the same thing, keep playing all our older players, get to the finals and they are cooked again...it so looks like we are going down the same pathThat's bit of an extreme response to what was said, and not sure it's actually relevant when pointing out that Neale's debut came in a match when we were missing our #1 ruck, and thus already going in shorter
If we're going in with all of Stanley, Blicavs, Hawkins & Cameron, we may be a bit too tall based on the structure we've played over recent months with Blicavs as the second ruck
But if one of Hawkins or Cameron are to miss/rested/managed, then we should be getting Neale in
We haven't even named the team for this week yet, so we may well see a few senior players managed this week with some youngsters getting a chanceI am just getting frustrated that we are going to do the same thing, keep playing all our older players, get to the finals and they are cooked again...it so looks like we are going down the same path
Don't need to melt got it off my chest nowWe haven't even named the team for this week yet, so we may well see a few senior players managed this week with some youngsters getting a chance
If it's the same ole team at 6:30, then feel free to melt
Agree. Hawk and Cameron are guns, but neither are taking big pack marks often, which is why they like Esava. Probably can't carry him though.We have a problem in the forward line with dealing with the long kick in to a pack. Hawk can't jump. Cameron can take a pack mark but not often, and he likes to rove the pack. Rohan can jump but often can't quite hold on to the ball, probably as he isn't that tall. That is why Sav was kept in the team but frustrated us with his lack of possessions and limited ruck skills. Neale could do Sav's role but the club will prefer Sav's experience, particularly as finals approach.
If Ceglar got fit and in form, perhaps they could alternate with him and Stanley in the forwards, with Blics continuing his current role. On occasions this season, the ball has easily pinged back out of our forward line when we have been outmarked. Against Richmond, there seemed to me to be a lot of times when our kick came into the 50 and dropped into their arms with our players 5-10 metres behind, without even creating a pack contest.
We have a problem in the forward line with dealing with the long kick in to a pack. Hawk can't jump. Cameron can take a pack mark but not often, and he likes to rove the pack. Rohan can jump but often can't quite hold on to the ball, probably as he isn't that tall. That is why Sav was kept in the team but frustrated us with his lack of possessions and limited ruck skills. Neale could do Sav's role but the club will prefer Sav's experience, particularly as finals approach.
If Ceglar got fit and in form, perhaps they could alternate with him and Stanley in the forwards, with Blics continuing his current role. On occasions this season, the ball has easily pinged back out of our forward line when we have been outmarked. Against Richmond, there seemed to me to be a lot of times when our kick came into the 50 and dropped into their arms with our players 5-10 metres behind, without even creating a pack contest.
I hope so too. But my measure of changes this year has been based on activity by Geelong social media team - and we have seen zero of Dempsey this week. I am comfortable with him developing the rest of the year in vfl but now focussed on hoping they increase his time in the midfield.
I was frustrated on Sunday as he only played good time through there in the second and third quarters where he amassed 18 good possessions over that “half”. He then languishEd in the goal square for the last quarter whilst they played the “big guns” through the midfield and the ball lived in our back half.
understand with chalcraft (who is good). Higgins, Dal, Stephens, Frank that they have others ahead of Ollie in terms of midfield time but hoping they try and prioritise his development in that area.
Couldn't agree more Kitcat
I think we need a 3rd tall marking option forward if we are to be a threat in September.
As you say Hawk doesn't jump and Cameron is playing further up the ground ( and is still a huge scoring threat). Need someone to fly in the pack and clunk it or bring the ball to ground.
We know what Rohan can do in that role , Sav hasn't impressed when given his chance.
I'd like to get a look at Neale or Ceglar in that role supporting Stanley - check that out over the next 8 games and see what we unearth.
That could allow us to play Blitz on the wing with the option of dropping back into defence or relief rucking if needed.
What the actual hell? Is this more bullshit mind games by Scott, Danger was 99% set to miss this week i thoughtDangerfield and Rohan confirmed ins
Backs | Gary Rohan | Sam De Koning | Jed Bews |
Half Backs | Jack Henry | Mark Blicavs | Jake Kolodjashnij |
Centreline | Mitch Duncan | Jeremy Cameron | Isaac Smith |
Half Forwards | Gryan Miers | Tom Hawkins | Max Holmes |
Forwards | Brad Close | Patrick Dangerfield | Tyson Stengle |
Followers | Rhys Stanley | Cameron Guthrie | Tom Atkins |
Interchange | Zach Guthrie | Mark O'Connor | Zach Tuohy |
Sam Menegola | |||
Emergencies | Cooper Stephens | Shaun Higgins | Quinton Narkle |
Shannon Neale |
He's pushed Cameron out of the forward line, with Jezza named in the centre line - will be interesting to see where he lines up and what sort of TOG they're looking at for himI like them giving Selwood a spell. I wonder if the plan with Danger is to have him blow out some cobwebs at 80% before a bigger game next week? Either way hopefully that's the last we hear of his calf troubles for a while.
What the actual hell? Is this more bullshit mind games by Scott, Danger was 99% set to miss this week i thought
That may be where he ends up next year...
The frustration is that you see the good & the great from him in one passage but then tear your hair out in the next
There was a passage in the second quarter where I just fell in love with Dempsey, and it was the sort of thing that his coaches & teammates would love seeing - 2nd qtr, defensive side of the wing he attempts to handball to a teammate but misses. He doesn't stop, instead he follows up the loose ball not just once but goes in for a third time when a Richmond player gets involved - yes he made an error but he put in the second & third efforts to stay involved, & try to correct the error was really promising to see
Compare that with Narkle in the third, the ball in our forward 50 with Richmond trying to clear the ball - he goes in with his first effort, but Richmond get a handball away and Narkle turns his back on the play... It was super frustrating, and just want to see him pull the finger out & show some urgency