FWIW, I agree with all you say. I'm sure Joel himself would also. He virtually said comments to that effect the other night. Selwood is still very good, but no insult to suggest Cotchin has slightly more impact in clutch games, despite the stats.3 X premiership captain and the influence he has had as captain probably sways it Cotchin’s way. He really gets down nice and low and batters in and has changed his game in the premiership years. He sacrifices so much for the team. Obviously I won’t win the argument on this board.