Geelong Vs. Richmond - the match of the ultimate underdog...

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The last time Richmond defeated Geelong was in 2006.

The last time Richmond defeated Geelong at the MCG was round 12 1999.

Only a few weeks ago, Geelong without their FF and Captain. Still won!

Geelong is the only side Damien Hardwick has never defeated as coach.

The last time Richmond won a Final on September 8th was in 1928.

Geelong hold the greatest ever winning margin against Richmond during this time, when they defeated Richmond 222-65. The worst loss in Richmond's history.

The Tigers have won 1 of the last 21 against Geelong.

Richmond last won a final in 2001, and lastly, in 1995 when Richmond finished third and got the double chance, had their pants pulled down against...Geelong.

The statistics are quite ugly, it's the Ultimate Powerhouse Vs. The Ultimate Underdogs.

As a Richmond supporter, the odds are so stacked against us, we're a knife in a gunfight. But I'll be there, just because ...
But the media, and Dusty... and everyone is behind you... and the game is at your home ground. And you have your best 22 available.

No underdog for you.

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The last time Richmond defeated Geelong was in 2006.

The last time Richmond defeated Geelong at the MCG was round 12 1999.

Only a few weeks ago, Geelong without their FF and Captain. Still won!

Geelong is the only side Damien Hardwick has never defeated as coach.

The last time Richmond won a Final on September 8th was in 1928.

Geelong hold the greatest ever winning margin against Richmond during this time, when they defeated Richmond 222-65. The worst loss in Richmond's history.

The Tigers have won 1 of the last 21 against Geelong.

Richmond last won a final in 2001, and lastly, in 1995 when Richmond finished third and got the double chance, had their pants pulled down against...Geelong.

The statistics are quite ugly, it's the Ultimate Powerhouse Vs. The Ultimate Underdogs.

As a Richmond supporter, the odds are so stacked against us, we're a knife in a gunfight. But I'll be there, just because ...
I remember the 1967 GF and more importantly I remember the First Semi final defeat in 1969. Eight goals to Richmond and two to Geelong in first qtr..and Geelong kicked the first 2. Richmond went on to kick 25 and Geelong 7. A 118 point slaughter. So don't give us any of this underdog BS. Two teams run out and one will win. You are going coz you hope to win but even if Richmond win you will be none the wiser as to future prospects. Geelong have been ordinary in recent finals and therefor it is Geelong who are the underdogs.
 

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The issue playing at Kardinia Park is the ticket allocation will be equal for members unlike a home and away game. That will mean alot of Geelong members will miss out too. That will create alot of outcry for such a big game.

Geelong play that much at the MCG that it would advantage no-one. With ground rationalisation the MCG and Etihad really don't favour anyone. Finals are always played at the big grounds in Melbourne from the start of the VFL in 1897. Essentially it's home state advantage you get if you finish higher if you're playing an interstate team, not home ground advantage.
Home state advantage? So no advantage in finishing 2nd over 3rd. Good job, AFL.
 

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This is just re-wording the same thing - it doesn't change that you had a softer draw than Adelaide, Geelong and GWS

Because you don't want to? Also compare how many games you played against the bottom four.
Doesnt change the fact that you had a softer draw then GWS, guess they should be above you on the ladder then?
You got Freo, Hawks and Pies twice. Along with Giants and Crows. 2 top 4 teams, 2 top 8 teams.
GWS got Geelong, Richmond, Swans, West Coast and Dogs twice. 2 top 4 teams, 4 top 8 teams

You also got to play Richmond, Power and Swans at Simmonds. So the top teams you didnt double up against, you didn't have to play away. We did.
And those games were a 40+ point loss, 14 point win and point win. Would have been 0-3 if it they wern;t at Simmonds. Jeez you guys got off easy.

We were actually low on the ladder last year, so the fixture worked as it should. You guys on the other hand got a soft as **** draw
 

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Home state advantage? So no advantage in finishing 2nd over 3rd. Good job, AFL.
Oh stop it. Yes is meant to be home state advantage and it's fine so long as GWS are playing by the same rules. MCG is aok for finals of all Vic teams. Bring it on.
 

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Oh stop it. Yes is meant to be home state advantage and it's fine so long as GWS are playing by the same rules. MCG is aok for finals of all Vic teams. Bring it on.
Mate, you live on the wrong side of Melbourne to be able to be independent on this. Either nobody gets an advantage and all finals are played at neutral venues or this 'home state final' bollocks should be called out for what it is. Either there is a benefit for all finishing higher on the ladder, or none. Until that happens, the integrity of the finals system can rightfully be questioned. Can you think of any reason why that shouldn't be the case?
 

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Doesnt change the fact that you had a softer draw then GWS, guess they should be above you on the ladder then?
You got Freo, Hawks and Pies twice. Along with Giants and Crows. 2 top 4 teams, 2 top 8 teams.
GWS got Geelong, Richmond, Swans, West Coast and Dogs twice. 2 top 4 teams, 4 top 8 teams

You also got to play Richmond, Power and Swans at Simmonds. So the top teams you didnt double up against, you didn't have to play away. We did.
And those games were a 40+ point loss, 14 point win and point win. Would have been 0-3 if it they wern;t at Simmonds. Jeez you guys got off easy.

We were actually low on the ladder last year, so the fixture worked as it should. You guys on the other hand got a soft as **** draw
That's nice, but it was all pretty straightforward for both GWS and Richmond. Beat Geelong, and you'll finish above us.

They couldn't, so they didn't. Sooking about the draw is once again a waste of time.
 

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Doesnt change the fact that you had a softer draw then GWS, guess they should be above you on the ladder then?
You got Freo, Hawks and Pies twice. Along with Giants and Crows. 2 top 4 teams, 2 top 8 teams.
GWS got Geelong, Richmond, Swans, West Coast and Dogs twice. 2 top 4 teams, 4 top 8 teams

You also got to play Richmond, Power and Swans at Simmonds. So the top teams you didnt double up against, you didn't have to play away. We did.
And those games were a 40+ point loss, 14 point win and point win. Would have been 0-3 if it they wern;t at Simmonds. Jeez you guys got off easy.

We were actually low on the ladder last year, so the fixture worked as it should. You guys on the other hand got a soft as **** draw
Tiger fan logic at its best, Geelong had a softer draw than GWS, so we can't say Richmond had a softer draw than us? I reckon we were lucky to finish on top of GWS, just like I reckon Tiges were lucky to finish in the four - certainly not a better side than anyone above them, nor Sydney and GWS below them. That remains consistent with my position from the start.

Sydney beat us anywhere, so you can scratch that one off your list. And we beat Richmond and Port anywhere, so terrible examples for your argument. We still would have taken 2-1 from those games away.
 

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Tiger fan logic at its best, Geelong had a softer draw than GWS, so we can't say Richmond had a softer draw than us? I reckon we were lucky to finish on top of GWS, just like I reckon Tiges were lucky to finish in the four - certainly not a better side than anyone above them, nor Sydney and GWS below them. That remains consistent with my position from the start.

Sydney beat us anywhere, so you can scratch that one off your list. And we beat Richmond and Port anywhere, so terrible examples for your argument. We still would have taken 2-1 from those games away.
Well done missing the point, bud! The point is teams don't have even draws.
So saying shit like "so comparing our relative finishes is not valid" is dumb as ****. You're just looking for a reason to say Geelong played better this year even tho we finished on the same wins.

Then saying you would have finished 1st with our draw and we would have been outside the 8 with yours?
You struggled against lower teams this year. 1 point over North, 2 points over Freo, 3 points over Hawks, loss to Suns.
If you had our draw you also wouldn't have played Crows at home, so its not like you're gaining a win replacing that game with say another win v Brisbane.
Ditto Pies, you lost your original game and won the return game. No change in wins there if you doubled up on a lower team.
You already played GWS and Freo twice, like us. So no change in wins there.
You beat Hawks twice. So changing those into lower teams doesnt change your wins.

You see I am wondering how you would have done just so much better with our "easy draw"

You got over the line by 14 point against us and 3 points against Port. Unless Simmonds gives you no advantage I think its pretty dumb to think the results didnt have a chance of going the other way on the other teams ground.

Funny how we're no better than GWS yet we lose to them by 3 points away, while kicking 0.5 in the last quarter and then beat them at home while restricting them to 1.1 for 2 quarters. Hmmmm.
 

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We won't mind but would like consistency. Any GWS home game should be at ANZ or even the SCG. But we know this won't happen. This pisses us off. If KP isn't an option then neither should Spotless.
Where did Sydney play the Giants last year in the qualifying final?
 

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26m shorter than the g mate.
If that doesnt influence structure im not sure what does
Simonds is 170m x 117
Subiaco is 175m x 123

We cant win at simonds but can win by 100 points at the very similar patersons at subiaco.
Id say dimensions have absolutely nothing to do with it.
 

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I actually find all this talk about us and the 'G' quite funny, it was always going to be played their and our record over the last decade at the venue is very strong, so bring on Friday.
The G is fine. We've won 3 flags and how many finals there in the past 3 decades, whilst Richmond have lost every important game there they could weasel themselves into.

That or they didn't make the big stuff at all.

Funny stuff.
 

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Cats have beaten teams like the Hawks at G numerous times don't see why this wouldn't be any different Cats at G will do fine.
It's more the principal.
I love the fact we get a game at the G in front of 100k. Doesn't mean it's right though.
We have played well other years on the G so it's not that bad but at Simonds the tigers are no chance!
 

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I think Richmond will win comfortably, actually.
If you look at the last 4 games - Cats by 5, 9, 4 and 14. Richmond should have won at least two of those. And latest one at KP, Richmond could hardly have played worse. I think this is their favoured opponent, on their home deck.

The Cats have been fortunate in close games this year, Richmond havent. Where Mundy kicked truly against the Tigers, Walters missed. Where Isaac Smith missed, Jeremy Cameron kicked straight from a disallowed goal at the other end. I don't think the discrepancy in close games points to Geelong being more composed - I think they got a bit lucky, as Hawthorn did a few times in the minor round last year.

The Tiges finished with a better % half a game behind, and probably should have won a couple more games, whereas Geelong probably should have lost a couple.

I do also think there's more pressure on Geelong and in particular Chris Scott as coach - they lack some experience they had last year.
 

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Feeling can not be serious about wanting this game in Geelong. The game is going to get 95,000.

Imagine an Essendon v Carlton final, where Essendon finished above Carlton. Can Essendon say they want their home game to be Telstra Dome for the finals ?
 

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Yeah nah - its best for Richmond, because they are hoping their weight of fan numbers can sway the umps at the G. It is the only way they can hope to win.
Considering we have the worse free kick differential in the comp the only thing we are hoping for is not another 24 - 6 half time free kick count.
 

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Feeling can not be serious about wanting this game in Geelong. The game is going to get 95,000.

Imagine an Essendon v Carlton final, where Essendon finished above Carlton. Can Essendon say they want their home game to be Telstra Dome for the finals ?
Geelong can not be serious wanting to play at a ground to give us the best possible outcome to win finals??

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Leadership traits are infectious. Scott sook and always complaining of being dealt hard end of stick. Striking similarities to his supporters on this thread.

I like the tigers to win this. They are a very good team and have thoroughly earnt their right to this game. Very few poor quarters this year and relatively consistent.
 

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Public tickets are "sold out". (Whatever that actually means) Be prepared to see vast areas of the AFL and MCG members areas empty and be legitimately pissed off. There should be a policy that demands that both these areas are booked by members the week before and the unbooked seats sold to the public. I hate empty seats.
 
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Considering we have the worse free kick differential in the comp the only thing we are hoping for is not another 24 - 6 half time free kick count.
Suck it up princesses.
Maybe the Richmond players won't get caught holding the football as regularly this time round?

The free kick count doesn't have to be even, you know this right?

If the Tigers think they can play a final with the same breezy attitude they came to Geelong, and prance about with the football as part of their netball through the middle gameplan, and take an eternity to get rid of it when they inevitably get tackled, the free kick count will look pretty similar.
 
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