Geelong: why are they just not good enough?

[99cents]

See above post

Garry "Stowaway" Rohan?

 

[PhatBoy]

Stewart, Menegola, Kelly and Abbott were mature agers that came into the club.

Of the rest, you would have to say that Blicavs is the only one that has progressed to a decent level.

Chris Scott has a poor track record developing junior players.

So what, Puopolo was too! He was a sanfl player.
Stewart played in the local competition for goodness sake - how does he not get. Abbott is a local player too and has been with the VFL squad for years.
i don't really see your point, because it's been made pretty poorly

 

[tigertigertiger]

So what? Are you seriously suggesting that the two hours that Scott dedicates to doing an interview every Monday night is why no c*** could hit a target last Friday


My god Big Footy must have the highest concentration of psychologists and behavioural analysts on the planet

not the same as an interview

he's not worthy of the panel, he's not a good coach, he's similar to Serena Williams Geelong are in a bad place right now

 

[Rich01]

So what, Puopolo was too! He was a sanfl player.
Stewart played in the local competition for goodness sake - how does he not get. Abbott is a local player too and has been with the VFL squad for years.
i don't really see your point, because it's been made pretty poorly

Head in the sand like usual.
Spose Dahlhouse and Rohan will paper over the cracks.

 

[Big John Studd]

So what, Puopolo was too! He was a sanfl player.
Stewart played in the local competition for goodness sake - how does he not get. Abbott is a local player too and has been with the VFL squad for years.
i don't really see your point, because it's been made pretty poorly

So was Isaac Smith

 

[PhatBoy]

Head in the sand like usual.
Spose Dahlhouse and Rohan will paper over the cracks.

I hope to Christ Rohan doesn't.

Head in the sand but ay

 

[PhatBoy]

not the same as an interview

he's not worthy of the panel, he's not a good coach, he's similar to Serena Williams Geelong are in a bad place right now

lol ok mate.


I'll let you get back to your thesis.

 

[Rich01]

I hope to Christ Rohan doesn't.

Head in the sand but ay

Yep, Rohan and Dahlhouse would align with the Geelong trading strategy of bringing in talent over developing their own.

 

[PhatBoy]

Yep, Rohan and Dahlhouse would align with the Geelong trading strategy of bringing in talent over developing their own.

Yes because no other club does that.
none. And all achievements picked up with the addition of players who've been at other clubs are rendered invalid.

It's why Caddy's presence in last year's flag means it doesn't count.

Is that how this works?

 

[Toump Ass]

Short answer is their list isn't great, it's not very balanced and aside from Hawkins they don't have anyone who can kick a bag of goals.
Too much left to too few.

 

[These 4 Walls]

They will contend again next year and possibly push further if they get another forward and a top 10 ruck.

They are closer to very good than they are to average. Just need to get first use of the ball and the lack of defense in their midfield is a significantly less important factor.

Sure, they may not look well set for 5 years from now, though that becomes a problem in 2 years.

Thank god people in this thread don't hold meaningful jobs at football clubs (I assume)

 

[Rich01]

Yes because no other club does that.
none. And all achievements picked up with the addition of players who've been at other clubs are rendered invalid.

It's why Caddy's presence in last year's flag means it doesn't count.

Is that how this works?

No.

From the last three drafts we have developed Castagna, Butler, Rioli, Higgins, Short and Graham.

Five of those six played last week (Butler would have but was injured).

Broad and Lambert have also come into the side as mature agers.

Hardwick is great at developing the kids from juniors. How does Geelong compare?

 

[juss]

They will contend again next year and possibly push further if they get another forward and a top 10 ruck.

They are closer to very good than they are to average. Just need to get first use of the ball and the lack of defense in their midfield is a significantly less important factor.

Sure, they may not look well set for 5 years from now, though that becomes a problem in 2 years.

Thank god people in this thread don't hold meaningful jobs at football clubs (I assume)

Contend for what though? They aren't genuine premiership contenders, they were smashed in Week 1 this year after missing the top 4, and while they did make the prelim last year, they were absolutely smashed by the real contenders, Tigers and Crows beating them by 51 and 61. 2016 went down to Swans by 37 in PF and 2015 missed the finals.

If you are talking about contending for the 8 and possibly also-rans in the top 4, then absolutely they can contend for that, but they aren't a genuine flag threat and that's why perhaps a mini-rebuild or serious coaching, tactical and on-field shake-up is in order.

The thread is spot on, they are good, but not good enough and it doesn't look like changing if they do more of the same.

 

[99cents]

It's take pot shots time.

Cats were well in the game last Thursday- appalling skill errors, goals going begging, discipline, and a few little things going against them mean they are out.

Back next year.

 

[QuietB]

Cats were well in the game last Thursday

This is not a serious opinion surely?

The only thing that kept Geelong within 5 goals was Melbourne's shocking decision making and missed opportunities. Mistakes happen when you are playing at warp speed.

 

[PhatBoy]

No.

From the last three drafts we have developed Castagna, Butler, Rioli, Higgins, Short and Graham.

Five of those six played last week (Butler would have but was injured).

Broad and Lambert have also come into the side as mature agers.

Hardwick is great at developing the kids from juniors. How does Geelong compare?

Hardwick clearly has the superior record at doing it, but that's like asking who's been better at keeping their side in contention year after year and expecting it to be a fair comparison.

Hardwick - who has actually been in the system a year longer than scott - had had half a dozen years to perfect turning reasonably high draft picks into solid players. That I'm aware of, Scott had had one top 10 pick to develop in his entire coaching career - Cockatoo - and he has looked a quality player who simply can't get on the paddock.

 

[PhatBoy]

This is not a serious opinion surely?

The only thing that kept Geelong within 5 goals was Melbourne's shocking decision making and missed opportunities. Mistakes happen when you are playing at warp speed.

You could say exactly the same the other way. Absolutely Melbourne made some bad errors. But for the majority of the second quarter we were pressing to undo the damage of the first - and an absolutely abhorrent sequence of mistakes meant that we only cut the margin by a goal or so rather than the 3-4 we needed.

The better team won, no mistake there, and they set up that victory in one quarter, but we were in the contest until Jones' goal in the last.

 

[Wojcinski]

Yep, Rohan and Dahlhouse would align with the Geelong trading strategy of bringing in talent over developing their own.

Caddy, Grigg, Houli, Townsend, Nankervis, Prestia plus a bunch of priority draft picks due to being a perennial bottom 4 team for over a decade is a much better strategy, right?

 

[PhatBoy]

Caddy, Grigg, Houli, Townsend, Nankervis, Prestia plus a bunch of priority draft picks due to being a perennial bottom 4 team for over a decade is a much better strategy, right?

Mate honestly you'd get more sense out of an opium den. Look at the draft profile both sides have worked with and see if you can make a valid comparison. The only sides that are a valid comparison are Hawthorn and sydney - one of them is even as we speak in a remarkably similar situation to us having bowed out at an identical stage and the other is not that much better off.

 

[Wojcinski]

Mate honestly you'd get more sense out of an opium den. Look at the draft profile both sides have worked with and see if you can make a valid comparison. The only sides that are a valid comparison are Hawthorn and sydney - one of them is even as we speak in a remarkably similar situation to us having bowed out at an identical stage and the other is not that much better off.

Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong surely rue the fact that instead of hoarding priority picks over the last 13 years they won 9 flags instead. Poorly run clubs.

 

[Rich01]

That I'm aware of, Scott had had one top 10 pick to develop in his entire coaching career - Cockatoo - and he has looked a quality player who simply can't get on the paddock.

Yeah Geelong seems to trade their top picks out for experienced talent.
Notwithstanding, his record developing younger players is extremely poor. Hopefully it improves with a change in focus by the club not to trade away their highest draft asset for another experienced player this year.

 

[99cents]

This is not a serious opinion surely?

The only thing that kept Geelong within 5 goals was Melbourne's shocking decision making and missed opportunities. Mistakes happen when you are playing at warp speed.

The cats worked their way back into it- melbourne goalless second quarter.
Hawkins kicks it.... 15 points.

 

[HighFlyer]

Caddy, Grigg, Houli, Townsend, Nankervis, Prestia plus a bunch of priority draft picks due to being a perennial bottom 4 team for over a decade is a much better strategy, right?

There's not a single priority pick in the last decade for Richmond. Cockatoo was the last top 10 Pick the Cats had. It was also the last round 1 they didn't trade away....

Tigers
2013 Pick 12,50
2014 Pick 12,33
2015 Pick 15,50
2016 Pick 29,53
2017 Pick 17,20

Geelong
2013 Pick 16,36
2014 Pick 10,47
2015 Pick 54 !!! Round 4 - Traded the rest away...
2016 Pick 26 - Round 2 - Traded your pick away
2017 Pick 22 - Round 2 - Traded r1

Cat's rolled the dice at the trade table.. they gambled on extending the premiership window it didn't pay off. Probably wasn't a bad strategy with where they were at.

 

[QuietB]

You could say exactly the same the other way. Absolutely Melbourne made some bad errors. But for the majority of the second quarter we were pressing to undo the damage of the first - and an absolutely abhorrent sequence of mistakes meant that we only cut the margin by a goal or so rather than the 3-4 we needed.

The better team won, no mistake there, and they set up that victory in one quarter, but we were in the contest until Jones' goal in the last.

The cats worked their way back into it- melbourne goalless second quarter.
Hawkins kicks it.... 15 points.

Melbourne's kicked 6 points in the 2nd quarter. I know it was close and it was primed for one of Geelong's famed comebacks. Geelong never fired a shot though - the contest was not close and 21 points made it seem a lot closer than it actually was.

As a comparison Richmond beat Hawthorn by 31 points. I was at the game and it felt closer to 15 goals.

 

[roacheee]

Sydney, Hawthorn and Geelong surely rue the fact that instead of hoarding priority picks over the last 13 years they won 9 flags instead. Poorly run clubs.

i hope you keep your head in the sand and your s**t coach