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Fabulous article. Some balance and perception in the media for a change.

A successful team needs senior players with experience and hard bodies, as well as a generation of elite talents who grow up together and take ownership of the club.

Time ....

The Cats are reaping the benefits of groundwork done in the period 1998-2002. Brought to the club in this period were Wojcinski, Scarlett, Hunt, Mackie, Enright, Kelly, Corey, Johnson, Mooney, Rooke, Ling, Ablett, Bartel, Chapman and Lonergan.

Of course a few of our posters keep posting this very thing and are ridiculed for it.

Those players formed the core of the team which made three consecutive grand finals.

The passing of time ...

In 2006, they were branded as disappointing, flaky and underachieving after Geelong slipped to tenth on the ladder, after having finished fourth and sixth in 2004 and 2005. It took some home truths to be delivered via the confrontational Leading Teams process, some maturation, and some top-off recruiting before Geelong started to live up to their potential with their triumphant 2007.

Eerie isn't it?

Of course there is nothing to say history will repeat, but the formula is sound.
 
Good article, the only difference is I don't think our team has the depth in quality that the Cats had even back then, we won't be pushng for a premiership for at least 3 years, but again, this whole age and experience thing is no excuse for not putting your head over the ball

Most of the realists that support this club actually realise we are a long way from challenging, but what they also realise is losing is ok if you give it your absolute best shot, the Blues have not been doing that for 2 mths, I really do believe you learn most from the losses where you actually have busted your guts and played for the jumper
 

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Good article, the only difference is I don't think our team has the depth in quality that the Cats had even back then, we won't be pushng for a premiership for at least 3 years, but again, this whole age and experience thing is no excuse for not putting your head over the ball

Most of the realists that support this club actually realise we are a long way from challenging, but what they also realise is losing is ok if you give it your absolute best shot, the Blues have not been doing that for 2 mths, I really do believe you learn most from the losses where you actually have busted your guts and played for the jumper

You probably should read it again.
 
They also got a couple of beauties in Ablett and Scarlett as father son picks, not taking away from their almost impeccable recruiting in that period but the father-son selections did help.
 
Difference being is Geelong list was better then, than ours they finished fourth and sixth before the aberration. OUR list is not as good we are coming off the worst period of the clubs history or one off. And finished 7th, last year comparisons cannot be made bw both clubs!
 
Great article. I really enjoyed reading that.

...Tempted to print off 30,000 copies and hand them out before the game on Friday!
 
50+ games
B russell jamison thorton
HB gibbs bower walker
C simpson judd scotland
HF wiggins waite houlihan
F betts o'hailpin fisher
R kreuzer mclean murphy
INT carrazzo hadley

0-49 games
B browne white anderson
HB okeeffe austin armfield
C johnson grigg lucas
HF kerr henderson yarran
F garlett casboult tiller
R warnock robinson joesph
INT hampson ellard davies tuohy
EM jacobs dare cachia donaldson

the player in bold should be delisted at the end of the year.
there is a real lack of quality talls in the 2nd team
 
The difference is Geelong build a team through draft picks and the only recycled player they traded for was Ottens in 04.

Until Carlton stop trading away draft picks they ain't going nowhere.
 

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Man i was on the ball what are good article.We need to trade for Dangerfield will give us the grunt.Do it man thank Russell for his good work but he can go back home where he can start a family.It's nothing but a win for both parties both a talent footballers just different type of players.I say if we can get picks for Carazzoo,Hampson and Walker in the first or second round pick do it. Carazzoo is currency to several clubs unlike Scotland who probably wouldn't be who is one of our best.

The more drafting of players you don't have the better the club will hold for decades. I still say if their is a elite footballer like Ben Cousins who can still give something for a couple of years take him if it costs us nothing but spare change and near last pick also.I would also have my eye on Mitch Thorp progress for a rookie spot.

Trades for draft picks, and expertly chosen rookies. There are no short cuts once you are in the middle of the ladder, trying to rise to the top. What are wise move.

Carlton mistake was to get their early picks and give them away for a later pick while drafting some player who used to be good.It's backfired so many times.We tend to give away too much of our 2nd round selections.

I had a look at Melbourne list and see they have so many round 1 and 2 selections.They got plenty of midfields and some good talls also. We were bottom for 3 years and don't have as many as them.
 
The difference is Geelong build a team through draft picks and the only recycled player they traded for was Ottens in 04.

Until Carlton stop trading away draft picks they ain't going nowhere.
This is where trades can work for us we traded the man Fevola and got a early pick and another top 10 pick in Henderson.We can do the same with a Ruckmen and possibly a few players who have currency for a 1st or second round at worst.
 
Mooney -2000
Ottens - 2005
Drum - 2009

Judd - 2007
Hadley- 2007
Warnock- 2008
Mclean - 2009

Spot the difference?
Yes Judd was great can still be.The rest are poor at this moment while Ottens and Mooney were the icing on the cake for Geelong.
 

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Mooney says hi....Also Marcus Drum...

They only got Mooney cos their captain walked out on em and they picked up Drum after winning 2 flags from 3 GFs.

Not sure why we've trading for supposed list deficiencies when we're no where near a flag tilt.

Time will tell, and hopefully the brainstrust at the club are proven right.
 
Article pretty much sums up exactly what I have been arguing for some time. Top read and pretty much spot on. Like ODN says, no guarantees, theres many a slip twixt cup and lip, but we are very much on the right path and trajectory and a decent dollop of patience would do a lot of posters the world of good.
 
Maybe, what the Elliott administration did and the players it cost us in the draft is what's hurting us most.

Luke Livingston - Pick 4, 2000 Draft - Delisted 2006, 46 games

Trent Sporn - Pick 11, 2000 Draft - Delisted 2006, 50 games

Simon Wiggins - Pick 15, 2000 Draft - 116 games, ave 11.6/season

Justin Davies - Pick 39, 2001 Draft - Delisted 2006, 41 games

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit....
 
Luke Livingston - Pick 4, 2000 Draft - Delisted 2006, 46 games

Trent Sporn - Pick 11, 2000 Draft - Delisted 2006, 50 games


Simon Wiggins - Pick 15, 2000 Draft - 116 games, ave 11.6/season


Justin Davies - Pick 39, 2001 Draft - Delisted 2006, 41 games

Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit....

Gee, that really is disgraceful drafting. Three 1st round picks, all spuds. That would be unheard of anywhere I'd imagine.
 
Gee, that really is disgraceful drafting. Three 1st round picks, all spuds. That would be unheard of anywhere I'd imagine.

Richard Lounder selected with No1 draft pick 1987, played 4 senior games,
Anthony Banik selected with No1 draft pick 1989 played 49 senior games
Jarred Oakley Nichols selected with No8 draft pick 2005 de-listed 2009 (now at WC as a rookie having never played a senior game)

Oh I dont know, it has happened at that other paragon of drafting knowledge, Yellow and Bleak.
 
Mooney -2000
Ottens - 2005
Drum - 2009

Judd -
Hadley-
Warnock-
Mclean -

Spot the difference?

No I don't, like i said how many first and second round draft picks have Geelong traded away, only for Ottens in 04.
They didn't trade first and second round draft picks for Mooney and Drum. They got Mooney for Colbert and another pick and traded pick 49 for Drum, but Geelong still had 5 picks in the top 50 in last years draft.

When was the last time Carlton had 5 picks in the top 50. :thumbsu:
 

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