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watch out, he'll post another thesis critising peterson and think that's a sufficient rebuttal.

I like and value ferby and I'm not interested in turning this in to some witch hunt.

Overwhelmingly, the people that support and criticise Peterson simply don't understand him because they are viewing him via inapplicable criteria.
 

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I like and value ferby and I'm not interested in turning this in to some witch hunt.

Overwhelmingly, the people that support and criticise Peterson simply don't understand him because they are viewing him via inapplicable criteria.

i would value them if they responded to posts accommodatingly, in the past it was like drawing blood from a stone.

people that support AND critise peterson don't understand him? huh?
 
We’ve been over this subject for 38 pages, it’s clear that neither side is going to budge, so let’s agree to disagree.

Don’t make me start talking about domestic Canadian politics again.
 
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I had a friendly discussion with Sopwiths North, who has added a lot to this board and I respect her opinion a lot more than some on this site, on Canadian Indigenious Rights and Canadian infrastructure projects, that’s how bad it got.
 
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i would value them if they responded to posts accommodatingly, in the past it was like drawing blood from a stone.

people that support AND critise peterson don't understand him? huh?


Some people are just too invested in the politicising of him and either cannot, or will not, extricate themselves from that bubble.

Beyond a certain point, you're just wasting your time with them
 

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Some people are just too invested in the politicising of him and either cannot, or will not, extricate themselves from that bubble.

Beyond a certain point, you're just wasting your time with them

certainly, i was referring the comment about the people that support Peterson not understanding him...

but yes, humans go into tribal mode and often will never change their mind. and thus we have politics today, it's all about winning than the truth.
 

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He shouldn't have jumped into that shitfight then.

He's written a self help book that specifically advises people not to engage in the world till their own life is perfect on the back of it. Among other things as a result of this shitfight. Richard Dawkins is a great biologist but he sounds like another religious nut when he starts arguing with funbdies about why they are wrong. its a similar thing with this guy.

Like I said the first book he wrote and lots of that work is very interesting. Its about how people make meaning out of their lives. He'd have been right into a website like this as "data" to study that process.

I could be mistaken because ive only heard him on youtube discussing 'the clean your room' principle, but it didnt sound like he was suggesting you have your life perfect. What i heard him saying was something like we have teens demanding socialist policy while they've achieved nothing, barely experienced the world and many have little idea about the ideology as the poll below reveals


A recent poll has shown.....Millennials favor socialism while a large percentage have NO clue who Mao or Lenin are.

 

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If that's all you take from that it's your problem not his.

Knowledge translation is imperative in getting the message across. He is trying to relate to the masses and tell them to get their s**t together. The 12 rules book is designed for that. It's dressed up and down when it needs to be. If he isn't translating it to a wide audience the message is missed and it isn't as effective.

They try to attack Peterson character instead of the content most of the time. Attack or debate the content, not the character. The attacks on his character have been poor form.....and that's what they will do since he is a threat to them.

And so many either misunderstand the content, not read it or are stubborn in their ways or ideology to have an open mind. His book has done many people very good, especially people that had grown up with a a rough child hood (insert reason here). To me that can only be a good thing.

As for Peterson he was video recorded by the SJWs at his uni after the passing of bill C-16 in Canada. It grew from there. And the more they try to attack the guy in the media, the more he grows as he makes a lot more sense to people than to people he does not.

Trump as as a president and Peterson's popularity wasn't by accident. They were creations of the very people that oppose them with either weak arguments or situations that opposed their own arguments or reality.

But I respect that people here have debated some of it.

I was supposed to be done with this thread :)
 

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I for one support North Melbourne's gender equality action plan.

If there is one thing a 150-year-old football club needs, it is whatever our club gains from going down this path.

How long until we can hire Jack Ziebell to act as a celebrant for a gay marriage in the Community Hub?

Apart from the uhms and ahs and half-hearted attempts at reciting tired cliches, Jack is a terrific speaker, after all.

I'll personally bake the cakes myself. And help to imprison or otherwise manhandle any pastry chef who refuses to do likewise.

To all of the bigots out there, if you don't like the current year, you shouldn't have voted for it :stern look
 

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They try to attack Peterson character instead of the content most of the time. Attack or debate the content, not the character. The attacks on his character have been poor form.....and that's what they will do since he is a threat to them.

And so many either misunderstand the content, not read it or are stubborn in their ways or ideology to have an open mind. His book has done many people very good, especially people that had grown up with a a rough child hood (insert reason here). To me that can only be a good thing.

As for Peterson he was video recorded by the SJWs at his uni after the passing of bill C-16 in Canada. It grew from there. And the more they try to attack the guy in the media, the more he grows as he makes a lot more sense to people than to people he does not.

Trump as as a president and Peterson's popularity wasn't by accident. They were creations of the very people that oppose them with either weak arguments or situations that opposed their own arguments or reality.

But I respect that people here have debated some of it.

I was supposed to be done with this thread :)
Well said. Debating is healthy as long as it's constructive. I've seen him speak twice now. I don't agree 100% with what he says but i do find i share a lot of similar thoughts. I particularly like that he generally backs up points with key statistics especially the gender pay gap points with multivariate analyses. I often find it amusing when the media discuss the points and all they have is fluff stats from news articles that someone slapped together in 2 seconds.

I'm not one to go all fanboi with famous people but i have sat back and seen him interact with people that have gone to his shows and you can see just how genuine he is. The interview he did recently in Australia showed just how much he cares when he struggled to hold back tears when asked about certain interactions with people. To me that's something special because as time goes by people seem to be more self indulgent and care less and less about others.

I must admit it pisses me off when i see someone attack his viewpoints at times with view simplistic counter arguements. Not because he needs defending but i just don't see what the point is of 60 minutes saying "you're a sexist" and then a number of idiots jumping on twitter agreeing that he is. You just can't debate with imbeciles. No reasoning with some people. Let's all be miserable and just tear everythiing to the ground so we can be miserable together...
 

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My issue with those that dislike peterson is why? It always seems like people want to tear someone down. Here's a guy that is making perfect sense and backing it up with evidence or reasoning where he can. It's clear as day he's helping people which is a fantastic thing. And yet people latch on to certain things he says and try and paint him as the bad guy (the 60min story was pathetic). When i see some of the stuff said about him i honestly wonder what is wrong with people. You see the outpouring of emotion he has when he talks about people coming up to him and thanking him after a show. That's fantastic to see. The people tearing him down do stuff all and those "journalists wouldn't give people the time of day". Not everyone is going to agree with him 100% of the time and it's not wise to just agree for the sake of it but his message is a good one. If glad there are peopke like him tryig to drag people out of the gutter/pits of despair because people need it. If you don't need his message more on don't tear him down for the sake of it.


If that's all you take from that it's your problem not his.

Knowledge translation is imperative in getting the message across. He is trying to relate to the masses and tell them to get their s**t together. The 12 rules book is designed for that. It's dressed up and down when it needs to be. If he isn't translating it to a wide audience the message is missed and it isn't as effective.

It’s not so much the individual it’s the hagiography for a chancer that was in the right place at the right time. If you want a conservative hero try someone more substantial like Roger Scruton or if you are into dead heroes William F Buckley. No lobster references but at least you get a good understanding of Hume and Locke


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It’s not so much the individual it’s the hagiography for a chancer that was in the right place at the right time. If you want a conservative hero try someone more substantial like Roger Scruton or if you are into dead heroes William F Buckley. No lobster references but at least you get a good understanding of Hume and Locke


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I have no issue if he made the most of his opportunities. Not like he hasn't earned it. He's been a lecturer and academic for decades. Rather peterson have the limelight over some of the other twits that claim to be intellectuals
 

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I have no issue if he made the most of his opportunities. Not like he hasn't earned it. He's been a lecturer and academic for decades. Rather peterson have the limelight over some of the other twits that claim to be intellectuals

Yeh but he will say just about anything and different things depending on his audience


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I for one support North Melbourne's gender equality action plan.

If there is one thing a 150-year-old football club needs, it is whatever our club gains from going down this path.

How long until we can hire Jack Ziebell to act as a celebrant for a gay marriage in the Community Hub?

Apart from the uhms and ahs and half-hearted attempts at reciting tired cliches, Jack is a terrific speaker, after all.

I'll personally bake the cakes myself. And help to imprison or otherwise manhandle any pastry chef who refuses to do likewise.

To all of the bigots out there, if you don't like the current year, you shouldn't have voted for it :stern look

Zondor alt account? :stern look
 
This is funny.

I think there actually is a sense in which Peterson is postmodern, but it has to do with power, not with objectivity. The wheel the author thinks Peterson has in the ditch is the wrong one. This guy is on the wrong track.

There's actually nothing anti-science or anti-"objective" about admitting that personal experience makes up the building blocks of knowledge, including science. In fact the scientific method is nothing but the coordination of those efforts to eliminate bias and error. Peterson's starting point here is not incompatible with empiricism. It only becomes "postmodern" if one makes the additional assumption that the subjectivity of experience allows us to throw empirical claims out the window -- something Peterson would never do.

So yeah, this article misses the mark.

I actually don't think its that great an article either, possibly for different reasons as well as yours but anyway. I agree with you on that.

Peterson is talking about the leap of faith needed to use science when he talks about subjectivity as well. All science is based on the gamble that a always equals a. Its a reasonable gamble given the consistency of results over time but still a gamble. At some point in the 20th century scientists realised that a doesn't always equal a. It can equal +a or -a for example. That doesn't make everything that relies on a = a invalid but just shows the limits of our ability to percieve stuff and make complete statements about it.

When he says wtte of Godel proves you need faith in God for all proof he just means you have to take on faith that you reasoning is on sound basis. You have to trust the giants whose shoulders you are standing on can hold you up.

And yeah the simple truth that reality and our experience of it are two different things and as you say science is something we use to overcome the bias and error we evolved with.

Peterson is flat out wrong about post modernism and the assumptions he makes about the people who developed it being commos. many of its most influential thinkers rejected communism earlier than the neo cons did. (Baudrillard is as important for modern advertising as Bernays. Maybe moreso.) They might have been leftys, possibly I don't really know but if anything they were absurdist and concerned with how structure influences things. Especially the structure you don't notice - the infrastructure. Post modernists also applied the concepts 20th century physics developed to thinking about other stuff. Ideas like uncertainty and relativity. And healthy doses of psychedelic influenced thinking.

Here's the thing tho. He claims to be criticising identity politics but he's just criticising the identity politics his identity politics oppose. He accuses other people of virtue signalling while doing it non stop. Those accusations are a form of virtue signalling for the identity politics he and the people who support him. He's not against the toxic nature of identity politics, he revels in it. And if anyone should know better its him.

One thing in his favour is that he spoke out against other bills beside c-16. Perhaps not as loudly even tho one in particular is more of a an actual threat to Canadian freedom.
 
I could be mistaken because ive only heard him on youtube discussing 'the clean your room' principle, but it didnt sound like he was suggesting you have your life perfect. What i heard him saying was something like we have teens demanding socialist policy while they've achieved nothing, barely experienced the world and many have little idea about the ideology as the poll below reveals


A recent poll has shown.....Millennials favor socialism while a large percentage have NO clue who Mao or Lenin are.



What's wrong with socialism?
 
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That moron organised a sponsorship night where people who put in got to meet LDU and Pauly Ahern. What did you do?

So that makes him Nelson Mandela?

It was the money from the members of this board that made that happen. All that was required beyond that was the capability to make a phone call.
 
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So that makes him Nelson Mandela?

It was the money from the members of this board that made that happen. All that was required beyond that was the capability to make a phone call.

Whilst I don't really see the connection between the topic in this thread and the player sponsorship, I mean they're completely separate things and using one to justify opinions on the other is silly.

Saying all it took was a phone call is probably understating what Chadwiko did. This board has had player sponsors for many years and this was the first player BBQ.

Again whilst that deserves kudos it is pretty irrelevant to the topic, and an indication of where the conversation is getting to in here.
 
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