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Tas said:
I am all for encouraging women to show greater interest in fields which they have traditionally been under-represented, for industries that matter. I'd like to see more women involved in STEM. That I think is important for society going forward. Do I care what proportion of the workforce for a footy club is male or female? Not so much.

However, I do appreciate there is a section of the community that does and feels like it is something of significance, for whatever reason. I generally think people will go work in fields and at employers where people will feel that it is a good career path and traditionally speaking, working at football clubs was a dud root and most people in the past that worked at clubs hamstrung their career for the love of the game or club itself. I think with the professionalism if football and the vast wads of broadcasting revenue coming in it now appeals to people outside of diehard fans and when you look at the paid roles we have at the club now, it is massively greater than what it was even 10 years ago.

My initial reservation was that I thought we had already taken great strides to become more equitable, the environment has been changing and we have changed with the times. I didn't feel that we needed to do anything other than just continue doing what we had already been doing. When you look at our footy club, outside of coaching, we have representation of women at every level and I am sure everyone is there on merit alone.

I am not against what we have been doing, just don't know why we went public about this particular policy. Who knows, perhaps there is a stigma around still and the club feels not enough women are applying for roles.

That being said, I do feel having our own female AFL team will do wonders for making more women feel that the club is part of them and they could possibly be a part of it if they wanted as they have more inspirational women who represent the club at the ultimate level, on field.
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I think the announcement itself probably had something to do with this bolded bit.
 
I just went and checked the AFLW thread and the announcement that inspired Arty to start this thread came in the weeks leading up to the announcement Emma Kearney was leaving the Dogs and coming home.
 

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DarwinRoo said:
Start saving fanboys, Dr Grifter is bringing his 12 ways to grift off of idiots tour to Australia.

And as a bonus you get to hear from failed comedian Dave Rubin.
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Will you be picketing the event?
 
DarwinRoo said:
Nah I’ll just be laughing at all the people that go and pay someone to tell them to clean their room.
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Hey, at least you're getting some free comedy (although I expect you enjoy the outrage more)
 
DarwinRoo said:
I wouldn’t call Rubin comedy.
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I wouldn't either, but it appears important enough for you to make a declaration about it.

I didn't even know this tour was occurring until you mentioned it. I find it puzzling why you would even care.
 
The Other Dean said:
Wut?

The goal is 40%. (We're currently at about 35%.) And to reiterate, it's merely a goal, not any kind of enforceable edict or decree. It's absolutely not about gifting to jobs to lesser or unworthy candidates based on gender, but instead making women aware that there are career opportunities open to them in an industry niche that has traditionally been quite male-dominated. (And vice-versa, as it may also apply to a role within the club that is traditionally filled by a female.) Pretty run-of-the-mill stuff in this day and age.

Either way - and this is the important part - applicants are still to be selected on merit.

Of course, to some people the above is irrefutable evidence that the club has been hijacked by a bunch of leftist SJW types whose rampant 'cultural Marxism' will surely plunge the club - and then eventually the rest of Western civilization - into a state of chaos and decline. However, I'd humbly suggest that those people have been supping a little too heavily from the fountain of Jordan Peterson.

Which coincidentally, is what this thread is really about.....
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So me asking a genuine question turns into a rant. Happy you got that off your chest?

You still haven't come to terms with the fact that some enjoy listening to Jordan Peterson can you? Bit of pot calling the kettle black because for every person that likes him there's always another that has to force their own opinion of him down your throat.

You're at your patronising best in this thread which is odd given past experience I had you pegged as the complete opposite.
 
Snake_Baker said:
I still can't come to terms with the amount of reasonably intelligent people who buy in to the political hijacking of Peterson.

It troubles me.
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And now Rubin lol. I get the disagreeing with opinions / bringing up counter arguments but it's honestly perplexing that some go out of their way to attack him and anyone that gives him the time of day. I thoroughly enjoy the 'Rubin report' and think the format and organic discussion on there with some of his guests has been excellent. I thought the debate idea discussed at the end of the Shapiro, Weinstein, Peterson, and Rubin episode was excellent. The Lindsay Shepard episode and how that turned into a complete s**t show. Sam Harris, Tucker Carlson...much more enjoyable than the stuff they have on TV these days.
 
Can't say I wait with baited breath for an episode of any of those things, it's just that so many folks have bought in to the left/right paradigm and go along with it like sheep to the slaughter, rather than analysing any given topic on it's own intrinsic nature.

I mean, how ****ing lazy can you get?

We live in an age of fast food opinions.
 
Snake_Baker said:
Can't say I wait with baited breath for an episode of any of those things, it's just that so many folks have bought in to the left/right paradigm and go along with it like sheep to the slaughter, rather than analysing any given topic on it's own intrinsic nature.

I mean, how ****ing lazy can you get?

We live in an age of fast food opinions.
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It's always the way. Tribal - almost sports team like competitiveness that people have with almost every issue. Then when others discuss issues in conversation it turns into point scoring. being so fixated on an issue when you don't know all the information (you can be flexible) about it or shooting someone down when they don't have all the information about something (like we are all supposed to be super computers with hard drives attached for every single issue).

"I hate trump because racist!"
"Peterson said we are like lobsters and that I should clean my room hahaha"
"Peterson hates women because he said a wage gap doesn't exist!"
"We must get more women into the physics field because there is a 80/20 split and that isn't fair!"
"Shapiro doesn't want guns taken away what a monster!"

White male privilege, gender pronouns, pro or against abortions, rape culture...it's getting so hard to discuss some of these topics without the opposite party biting your head off.
 

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Snake_Baker said:
Can't say I wait with baited breath for an episode of any of those things, it's just that so many folks have bought in to the left/right paradigm and go along with it like sheep to the slaughter, rather than analysing any given topic on it's own intrinsic nature.

I mean, how ****ing lazy can you get?

We live in an age of fast food opinions.
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That's pretty much exactly what he does alot of the time.

That stuff he says about socialism and Marx is flat out wrong. You accused me of making strawmen but I was responding to them so of course that's what it looks like. Even the bit at the end where he made valid point about what drives revolutionaries/terrorists and in some cases suicide bombers was based on a fact he got wrong or misinterpreted to fit into that left v right paradigm. He doesn't understand the maths he's talking about imo.

Socialism is a useful thing because the distribution might stay the same but its scale can change - the Pareto principle or 80/20 rule is a rule of thumb not an iron clad result of the mechanics of the universe or something as solid as a Lorenz equation. He seems to think it is. It can be 70/30 maybe even 60/40 in terms of who has what if the things that determine the data change. OK I'm not a mathematician but that is how I understand it and its something I did try to get my head around years ago out of interest.

As that distribution flattens out the level of inequality drops then more people in the society have access to the resources to live meaningful productive lives. Obviously the idea that markets can be regulated 100% or even in a way that eliminates their chaotic behaviour is wrong and the failure of Commie economies is a clear proof of that.

FFS Marx wrote that stuff when most of the men in England didn't have the right to vote, and based it on the times he'd seen when even more men were disenfranchised. That is without considering womens sufferage. The world has changed since then and its been in response to Marx among other things obviously.

The reason the welfare state and things like medicare exist is because of Marx and because he was right - unregulated capitalism leads to revolutions. Its happened regularly since he did his work and happened beforehand as well. Even full on capitalists like Henry Ford recognised that workers needed rights to a wage that let them take part in society and not live in poverty. They need to be people not serfs. He obviously wanted to sell them stuff and get his hands on their money but he wanted them involved in the economy not poor and ****ed up like in most of Europe pre 20th century.

If Peterson didn't resort to that sort of rubbish he'd have a lot more credibility in my eyes. I agree with the idea he has about "PC Egalitarianism" vs "PC Authoritarianism" and that's an idea that certainly needs some discussion in our society. Authoritarianism is a greater threat to any free society than probably anything else in terms of politics. But it needs to be done intelligently and with good faith.

Whenever some campaigner says "political correctness gone mad" without laughing that good faith probably isn't there.
 
Groin guru said:
"I hate trump because racist!"
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You actually mean because he said there "many fine people" at a white supremecist rally where a neo-Nazi drove a car into a crowd of political opponents and killed one while seriously injuring others?

You really think that is unreasonable?

"Peterson said we are like lobsters and that I should clean my room hahaha"
"Peterson hates women because he said a wage gap doesn't exist!"
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Yeah cos that's all that gets said.

"We must get more women into the physics field because there is a 80/20 split and that isn't fair!"
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Yeah cos that happened.

"Shapiro doesn't want guns taken away what a monster!"
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What are you talking about? This is Australia.

White male privilege, gender pronouns, pro or against abortions, rape culture...it's getting so hard to discuss some of these topics without the opposite party biting your head off.
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What would you actually like to discuss?

For example - Pro or anti abortions?

Well if you aren't having that specific kid growing inside you like a parasite then it ain't your business?

Oh you're the dad?

Its the 21st century if you want the kid so bad it probably medically possibly for you to carry it to term. Figure out some way to implant it in your gut and do the feed the fetus work yourself.

That's where we should be at imo.

Seriously of all the topics that one really is no ones else's business.
 
ferball said:
You actually mean because he said there "many fine people" at a white supremecist rally where a neo-Nazi drove a car into a crowd of political opponents and killed one while seriously injuring others?

You really think that is unreasonable?



Yeah cos that's all that gets said.



Yeah cos that happened.



What are you talking about? This is Australia.



What would you actually like to discuss?

For example - Pro or anti abortions?

Well if you aren't having that specific kid growing inside you like a parasite then it ain't your business?

Oh you're the dad?

Its the 21st century if you want the kid so bad it probably medically possibly for you to carry it to term. Figure out some way to implant it in your gut and do the feed the fetus work yourself.

That's where we should be at imo.

Seriously of all the topics that one really is no ones else's business.
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Thank you for proving my point. I was throwing out random examples that people try to discuss from time to time (nothing about where I stand on any of them) and you just got carried away...

The only thing your quote highlights is you yourself have an inability to discuss issues in a civil manner. You were so angry you couldn't even process my point without giving your view point on everything I said. Plus you assumed I was against your view on every single one - further proving Snake's point of being unable split one side form another.
 
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It’s good the club’s getting more women onboard hey.
 
Groin guru said:
Thank you for proving my point. I was throwing out random examples that people try to discuss from time to time (nothing about where I stand on any of them) and you just got carried away...

The only thing your quote highlights is you yourself have an inability to discuss issues in a civil manner. You were so angry you couldn't even process my point without giving your view point on everything I said. Plus you assumed I was against your view on every single one - further proving Snake's point of being unable split one side form another.
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I wasn't angry but anyway. Most of those points are not real things. They are caricatures that rarely or barely represent facts. Why would you expect anyone to not react angrily or to laugh at them or whatever else when they are made. You can't civilly discuss a load of crap. There is nothing to discuss. You were just perpetuating the very thing you're accusing other people of doing. Its the same merry go round. I wasn't being uncivil tho.


Okay the the abortion thing was (semi) serious. That's about where it is for me - if someone else wants an abortion its none of my business. I'll be 50 next year so I don't think I want any more kids anyway so it doesn't apply personally and I can't deny someone the right to an abortion any more than I can the right to a beer or a scoob or even bloody botox. I don't see why some people think they have the right to tell other people what medical things they can or can't do to themselves. That's the same sort of mentality that drives the "PC Authoritarians" Dr Crankypants gets uptight about. Sorry Professor Crankypants.

Finally like it or not Trump cultivates votes among far right arseholes who don't like non white people or Jewish people. And he runs around playing at being a tin pot despot without actually going the whole hog. He's just acting, like he did on TV before he got elected, but he enables some real scum. There is genuine political violence in the US and its dominated by the far right. That has been the case for decades but he is legitimising it.
 
This Thread has Clokey's Greasy Fangs dripping with delight. :stern look
 
Firestarter said:
Well you hate having a women's team that has women in it...
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It's a political gesture.

Not in the slightest bit bothered by women organizing and playing for their own football clubs.
 
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