No Opposition Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 3

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I didn't think it was a throw (and where does the AFL say as much? I can't find..), but even if it were, there is room in sport for these sorts of things to paid for the spectacle of the game. Technically almost every speckie should be call in-the-back, and is usually called that if they drop it.. But miraculously paid a mark if they take it.. Can you how miserable the competition would be if every moment was adjudicated to the letter of the law?
During the hawthorn fremantle game, they went to one of the boundary riders who said "Well the big topic everyone's been talking about is Higgins goal yesterday, was it a throw or wasn't it?" He went on to say the afl have weighed in and said "technically it was a throw - but you can see it in slow motion" You can see it in fast motion too, but they havd to back their umpires.
 

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It isn't the definition of a kick that is on trial here it is the definition of a throw. (at least according to the afl's announcement.) They stated that a throw is any action that propels the ball while being held as in a normal throw. (in other words the final result is irrelevant whether he kicks it or not.) He definitely does that.
Now, not wanting to weigh in on this debate as to a throw or not but just on interpretation.
Talking footy last night showed a replay that took place some time ago during a Melbourne game where Russell Roberson did a similar thing only around a point post . Roberson was going out of bounds near a point post, he did the body out of play ball in play thing next to the post, tossed the ball up and around the point post then regained possession by hand whilst coming back into the field of play between point and goal post only to be called for a throw as he was placing ball to boot for a dribble kick on goal.
So it seems if you were to throw - toss or elevate the ball in order to kick it that's okay (regardless of rules on throwing) but if you do the same to regain possession by hand its not okay.
Let's just say if we are talking Bulldogs circa 2016 all throwing is okay.;)
 

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So 31st July is the day where you have to tell Assistant Coaches whether they are getting a gig next year. Reckon there will be any movements in Clarkos team?

Alastair Clarkson - Senior Coach

Damian Carroll - Head of Coaching and Development
Brett Ratten - Assistant Coach
Adem Yze - Assistant Coach
Scott Burns - Assistant Coach
Darren Glass - Assistant Coach
Damian Monkhorst - Ruck Coach
 

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On another topic have noticed that our attendances have been very poor this season, last season we averaged over 39K, this season it's only just over 33K

Team Games Total Average

Richmond Tigers 18 976,315 54,240
Collingwood Magpies 18 952,346 52,908
Essendon Bombers 18 804,799 44,711
West Coast Eagles 18 762,957 42,386
Adelaide Crows 18 701,604 38,978
Geelong Cats 18 700,067 38,893
Carlton Blues 18 655,212 36,401
Melbourne Demons 18 651,129 36,174
Fremantle Dockers 18 628,069 34,893
Hawthorn Hawks 18 601,843 33,436
Sydney Swans 18 597,755 33,209
Port Adelaide Power 18 572,363 31,798
St Kilda Saints 18 534,312 29,684
Western Bulldogs 18 513,291 28,516
North Melbourne Kangaroos 18 462,986 25,721
Brisbane Lions 18 396,165 22,009
GWS Giants 18 351,431 19,524
Gold Coast Suns 18 329,650 18,314
 

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When players bounce the ball when running down the ground they are throwing the ball onto the ground so that they can catch it themselves. So in this case a throw is legal. So a throw upward to kick it should be legal also.
 

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On another topic have noticed that our attendances have been very poor this season, last season we averaged over 39K, this season it's only just over 33K

Team Games Total Average

Richmond Tigers 18 976,315 54,240
Collingwood Magpies 18 952,346 52,908
Essendon Bombers 18 804,799 44,711
West Coast Eagles 18 762,957 42,386
Adelaide Crows 18 701,604 38,978
Geelong Cats 18 700,067 38,893
Carlton Blues 18 655,212 36,401
Melbourne Demons 18 651,129 36,174
Fremantle Dockers 18 628,069 34,893
Hawthorn Hawks 18 601,843 33,436
Sydney Swans 18 597,755 33,209
Port Adelaide Power 18 572,363 31,798
St Kilda Saints 18 534,312 29,684
Western Bulldogs 18 513,291 28,516
North Melbourne Kangaroos 18 462,986 25,721
Brisbane Lions 18 396,165 22,009
GWS Giants 18 351,431 19,524
Gold Coast Suns 18 329,650 18,314
MCG expecting 69k this weekend for Bombers win that and you'd think Cats will be another decent 60k+ crowd

Even if we only get our averages against the four remaining teams, which means two games in the 50s and 2 in the 30s we will bump up to 35k average

Down on last year for sure but closer
 

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On another topic have noticed that our attendances have been very poor this season, last season we averaged over 39K, this season it's only just over 33K

Team Games Total Average

Richmond Tigers 18 976,315 54,240
Collingwood Magpies 18 952,346 52,908
Essendon Bombers 18 804,799 44,711
West Coast Eagles 18 762,957 42,386
Adelaide Crows 18 701,604 38,978
Geelong Cats 18 700,067 38,893
Carlton Blues 18 655,212 36,401
Melbourne Demons 18 651,129 36,174
Fremantle Dockers 18 628,069 34,893
Hawthorn Hawks 18 601,843 33,436
Sydney Swans 18 597,755 33,209
Port Adelaide Power 18 572,363 31,798
St Kilda Saints 18 534,312 29,684
Western Bulldogs 18 513,291 28,516
North Melbourne Kangaroos 18 462,986 25,721
Brisbane Lions 18 396,165 22,009
GWS Giants 18 351,431 19,524
Gold Coast Suns 18 329,650 18,314
How does that compare to all clubs attendances from last year though? Just like TV viewership, I think there has been a general decline all across the league
 

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When players bounce the ball when running down the ground they are throwing the ball onto the ground so that they can catch it themselves. So in this case a throw is legal. So a throw upward to kick it should be legal also.
As stated already several times, according to the letter of the law, it was a throw. But due to the ratings and money wankfest by having the rules flaunted it was a goal. As it says in the article below in the letter of the law it was a throw, but since we'll be celebrating this goal for years to come it should be rewarded or else we'd be robbed of it.

If Messi or Ronaldo picked the soccer ball up in the middle of the field and danced around the defense, ball in hand, and got past the goalie and booted it through, would we be celebrating the piece of brilliance for years to come?

I have never celebrated Ablett's mark of the year simply because it wasn't a mark. At all.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-30/comment-higgins-goal-deserved-benefit-of-doubt-
 

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It isn't the definition of a kick that is on trial here it is the definition of a throw. (at least according to the afl's announcement.) They stated that a throw is any action that propels the ball while being held as in a normal throw. (in other words the final result is irrelevant whether he kicks it or not.) He definitely does that.
You are totally correct. You've never (by the rules) been allowed to propel the ball in an upwards motion by open hand, irrespective of whether you are kicking, whatever. However, in this current time, umpires don't officiate by the rules any more and pretty much everything goes. I don't even know why they bother with handballs, most of them are throws anyway, so why not just do away with the handball altogether. As for ruck contests, what a pig's breakfast that is.

A classic example of not umpiring by the rules occurred again last week. I saw a player receive a 50 metre penalty. As he advanced down the ground he bounced the ball. The rules say he should be called to play on, but he wasn't. I think it's time they turfed the existing rules of the game and drew them up again in accordance with contemporary standards and attitudes.
 

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If Messi or Ronaldo picked the soccer ball up in the middle of the field and danced around the defense, ball in hand, and got past the goalie and booted it through, would we be celebrating the piece of brilliance for years to come?
We probably would. The game still treats Maradonna's "hand of God" goal in the 1986 World Cup as folklore. :)
 

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On another topic have noticed that our attendances have been very poor this season, last season we averaged over 39K, this season it's only just over 33K

Team Games Total Average

Richmond Tigers 18 976,315 54,240
Collingwood Magpies 18 952,346 52,908
Essendon Bombers 18 804,799 44,711
West Coast Eagles 18 762,957 42,386
Adelaide Crows 18 701,604 38,978
Geelong Cats 18 700,067 38,893
Carlton Blues 18 655,212 36,401
Melbourne Demons 18 651,129 36,174
Fremantle Dockers 18 628,069 34,893
Hawthorn Hawks 18 601,843 33,436
Sydney Swans 18 597,755 33,209
Port Adelaide Power 18 572,363 31,798
St Kilda Saints 18 534,312 29,684
Western Bulldogs 18 513,291 28,516
North Melbourne Kangaroos 18 462,986 25,721
Brisbane Lions 18 396,165 22,009
GWS Giants 18 351,431 19,524
Gold Coast Suns 18 329,650 18,314
I looked at this the other day, we've played more in the wet this year and still have a few high drawing crowds left which will boost our attendance, tazzie really skews our numbers.
 

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Charlie Curnow downgraded for striking in what looked like a clear elbow to the head. $2000 fine. What a joke!! Now imagine that was Sicily :rolleyes:
We need to hire their defence team. Can't blame anyone else when we had such a shit strategy during the tribunal hearing.

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Charlie Curnow downgraded for striking in what looked like a clear elbow to the head. $2000 fine. What a joke!! Now imagine that was Sicily :rolleyes:
This is good for us. Now if Mitchell wins the Brownlow ahead of Cripps Carlton fans won't be able to complain about how Mitchell avoided suspension. Curnow will have made it a consistent ruling.
 

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A classic example of not umpiring by the rules occurred again last week. I saw a player receive a 50 metre penalty. As he advanced down the ground he bounced the ball. The rules say he should be called to play on, but he wasn't. I think it's time they turfed the existing rules of the game and drew them up again in accordance with contemporary standards and attitudes.
I thought the exact same thing when I saw it too!
 

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I see John Ralph thinks that Saints should go after Hanneberry. Still has 3 years to go on a big contract. Why don't they get Jack too and take over his 800k per year contract also? Better suggestion is Tigers should take them, if they are so confident of a form turnaround! W..nker!

Even the Saints don't deserve this. Cooked, both of them, as I think is Kennedy. Actually a better fit for Blues, as they are probably looking for more salary dump, a' la Lobbe.

Tigers look invincible at the moment, same as Cats in 2008. Wouldn't the whole footy world moan if Nank got 'accidentally' corked or concussed early in a GF. Thank goodness we don't get many of their posters on our forums. They seem to be everywhere else. Whatever the topic is, it becomes about Richmond.

Rant over! I was actually happy for them to win last year but I think I prefer 'Ninethmond'.
 

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On another topic have noticed that our attendances have been very poor this season, last season we averaged over 39K, this season it's only just over 33K

Team Games Total Average

Richmond Tigers 18 976,315 54,240
Collingwood Magpies 18 952,346 52,908
Essendon Bombers 18 804,799 44,711
West Coast Eagles 18 762,957 42,386
Adelaide Crows 18 701,604 38,978
Geelong Cats 18 700,067 38,893
Carlton Blues 18 655,212 36,401
Melbourne Demons 18 651,129 36,174
Fremantle Dockers 18 628,069 34,893
Hawthorn Hawks 18 601,843 33,436
Sydney Swans 18 597,755 33,209
Port Adelaide Power 18 572,363 31,798
St Kilda Saints 18 534,312 29,684
Western Bulldogs 18 513,291 28,516
North Melbourne Kangaroos 18 462,986 25,721
Brisbane Lions 18 396,165 22,009
GWS Giants 18 351,431 19,524
Gold Coast Suns 18 329,650 18,314
2 games in 15 at our home ground in the middle of the season really took a lot of the shine out of going to games this year. The Adelaide clash with WC also didn't help, and our "softer draw" meaning generally lower ranked opposition teams.
 
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