No Opposition Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 3

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Longmire must be desperate if he's bringing back Alex Johnson in the hope it'll inspire them to make a special effort against Collingwood. Reeks of panic.
I think there is a fair bit of that in his selection , one last roll of the dice.
It is a good story though
 

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I think there is a fair bit of that in his selection , one last roll of the dice.
It is a good story though
Truth be known it's a shit story - no one should have to endure 5 knee reco's ever.

I remember hearing many moons ago that Max Bailey doing his 'other' knee wasn't the end of the world because genetically he had quite loose ligaments and it allowed us to fix his good knee after getting the other one right - whether there is truth to this or not I don't know.

But my heart goes out to any young kid who has their dreams shattered by a knee - Bailey, Muston & Woody recently at the Hawks - and Johnson, 5, WOW, 5 reco's. I wish him only good things going forward.
 

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Truth be known it's a shit story - no one should have to endure 5 knee reco's ever.

I remember hearing many moons ago that Max Bailey doing his 'other' knee wasn't the end of the world because genetically he had quite loose ligaments and it allowed us to fix his good knee after getting the other one right - whether there is truth to this or not I don't know.

But my heart goes out to any young kid who has their dreams shattered by a knee - Bailey, Muston & Woody recently at the Hawks - and Johnson, 5, WOW, 5 reco's. I wish him only good things going forward.
But he has and he is returning to the highest level of his sport , surely that makes it a good story ?

No one likes seeing anyone injured especially players who just are never able to get a run at it . It’s sometimes just isn’t fair .

But at the end of the day it’s footy , it’s not life and death either.
 

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Shows an incredible amount of resilience to still be at it after 5 knee reconstructions and I believe well over 1000 days of no senior AFL football. Many a person would have called it quits after maybe 2 or 3; you've got to be all kinds of mental tough to go through something like this

I wish Alex all the best with his return
 

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But he has and he is returning to the highest level of his sport , surely that makes it a good story ?

No one likes seeing anyone injured especially players who just are never able to get a run at it . It’s sometimes just isn’t fair .

But at the end of the day it’s footy , it’s not life and death either.
Oh, it makes us feel good and as long as the AFL have a great story to sell to the unwashed masses it's a truly great story.
 

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It did, after the filthy pig slid into Josh Gibson and got him with his sprigs. Didn't take long after that before other clubs' supporters started booing as well. The part that annoyed me was the naivety of the media suggesting he was being booed because he was aboriginal. With all the other excellent aboriginal players in the league, why was Goodes the only one being booed? Had nothing to do with race, but everything to do with supporters not appreciating Goodes' dirty tactics.
I watched Adma Goodes on Ahn Do's show last night. He is a really likeable guy. And genuine.

But there was an "Ah Ha!" moment for me when he talked about the 13 year old girl's sledge and his spear dance in front of the Carlton cheer squad. He said he loved playing footy and being on the field of play and, if I recall correctly, inferred that it was a safe place for him.

I realised that by pointing to the young girl and aiming an imaginary spear at the Carlton supporters he "jumped the fence". He broke the protective barrier between him and the general public. In the process he made the story about racism and, although he might not have meant it, invited the public to the discussion. In his mind the issue was about his race, not his on field actions. He could not see the nuances in the public's reaction.

He said he planned the spear dance ahead of time. Had he aimed his imaginary spear at the Carlton players instead of the crowd, as the Kiwis do to their adversaries in the Haka, he might have made a powerful point and garnered a lot of support for his position. By aiming it at the supporters he declared war on them. And lost them.
 

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I watched Adma Goodes on Ahn Do's show last night. He is a really likeable guy. And genuine.

But there was an "Ah Ha!" moment for me when he talked about the 13 year old girl's sledge and his spear dance in front of the Carlton cheer squad. He said he loved playing footy and being on the field of play and, if I recall correctly, inferred that it was a safe place for him.

I realised that by pointing to the young girl and aiming an imaginary spear at the Carlton supporters he "jumped the fence". He broke the protective barrier between him and the general public. In the process he made the story about racism and, although he might not have meant it, invited the public to the discussion. In his mind the issue was about his race, not his on field actions. He could not see the nuances in the public's reaction.

He said he planned the spear dance ahead of time. Had he aimed his imaginary spear at the Carlton players instead of the crowd, as the Kiwis do to their adversaries in the Haka, he might have made a powerful point and garnered a lot of support for his position. By aiming it at the supporters he declared war on them. And lost them.
Yep, the whole thing for me was it had nothing to do with race. I love watching aboriginal players, we've had Cyril, Burgoyne, etc to marvel at over the years, then there's been the brilliant goals from Eddie Betts, the Krakouer brothers, Polly Farmer and many others who have helped make the game exciting. Nobody was booing those players, why not? If we booed people simply because they were aboriginal, then why was Goodes the only person copping it? You nailed it, he crossed the line in the eyes of the public and they just didn't like him.

It reminds me of the time I was annoyed that Murali was allowed to play Test cricket because (in my opinion) his bowling action was illegal. I've watched Test cricket for over 50 years and have marvelled at players such as Viv Richards, Malcolm Marshall, Rahul Dravid, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, etc .... I could name many more, and my favourite cricketer of all time is still the great Garfield Sobers. However, when I complained about Murali's action, I was accused of being racist. Some people really are narrow minded.
 

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It wasn’t racial for you Adelaide Hawk

It wasn’t racial for you Argy

But you don’t speak for the other hundred thousand supporters who for them it was maybe everything to do with race
Here we go again. So why not boo jetta, burgoyne, rioli, hill, mcleod, leon davis, byron pickett, etc etc etc ...
 

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It wasn’t racial for you Adelaide Hawk

It wasn’t racial for you Argy

But you don’t speak for the other hundred thousand supporters who for them it was maybe everything to do with race
Goodes got boo’d for the same reason we boo Duckwood - they are both campaigners.

Any suggestion to the contrary is nothing more than popularist propaganda.

My opinion of AG has not changed because of that interview.
 

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It wasn’t racial for you Adelaide Hawk

It wasn’t racial for you Argy

But you don’t speak for the other hundred thousand supporters who for them it was maybe everything to do with race
I do not agree with this at all.

There was only one bloke who made it about race.
 

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There was only one bloke who made it about race.
Initially yes, then all the talking heads in the media and tht muppet in charge of the AFL continued to repeat the fallacy that it was about race.

Like a microphone to a loudspeaker, the feedback loop became too painful to everyone and something has to make it stop. The loudspeakers aren't going to go away so the microphone has to.

My question is, why is this back as a topic now? Has Goodes run out of money? Is he seeking preselection for a safe Labor seat or a senate spot? Is booing recorded in hansard?
 

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Initially yes, then all the talking heads in the media and tht muppet in charge of the AFL continued to repeat the fallacy that it was about race.

Like a microphone to a loudspeaker, the feedback loop became too painful to everyone and something has to make it stop. The loudspeakers aren't going to go away so the microphone has to.

My question is, why is this back as a topic now? Has Goodes run out of money? Is he seeking preselection for a safe Labor seat or a senate spot? Is booing recorded in hansard?
Ummmmmm......if he was seeking pre selection for a safe Labor seat or the senate picking the scab off this festering wound would hardly be a good idea would it?

More your Peter Dutton/Tony Abbott/Eric Abetz way of crashing or crashing.

It was on Ahn Do's painting show last night apparently.
 

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Oh, it makes us feel good and as long as the AFL have a great story to sell to the unwashed masses it's a truly great story.
Depends on the person , it doesn’t necessarily make me feel good but I’m pretty sure Alex Johnson does after the road he has been on
 
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80% of players are out of the system within 4 years whether it be injury, their decision or the clubs.

We have high incidence of mental health issues in the industry and many players are just relieved to get out of it.

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Full and total blame is at the feet of the AFL and the TAC cup system, some if not most kids are in the system from the age of 12 to 14, they don't play the game with freedom they play with the fear of losing there spot in a dog eat dog system at an age that players of days of yesteryear didn't have to, then at seventeen they are shipped around the country with all their eggs in the AFL basket, fear of failure is huge, they are not physically mature or mentally mature. In the past players would be 20-22 years old, a part of the workforce have some sought of stability and chipping away at their footy shifting between their local club ( keeping that strong) and AFL/VFL reserves, by the time they made their senior 1st game some had 50-100 games against big bodies and in the back of their minds knew that if they didn't make it it wasn't all doom and gloom.
Just another case of AFL micro mismanagement.
Just my 2¢ worth.
 

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Kieren Jack! Luke Parker on about same. Figures are approximate but remember KJ was co-captain. When Mills re-signed with Parker it didn't leave much for the rest. With Kennedy, Jack and Parker as the inside bulls and Hanners triple AA, with Heeney and Mills coming through our Tom was thought good depth but not essential.

I believe Buddy must be coming on to his 1.2 or 1.4 million years this year with 4 years to run. Swans have made a rod for their back but have some good cheap youth coming through (Ronke, O'Riordan, McCartney). Lack midfield grunt now but at least they have the "Bloods culture'! Pity Aliir Aliir re-signed for 400k. Would have been worth a lot more to us than that.

With Kennedy seemingly losing pace, Jack, McVeigh and probably Hanners done they must be due for a rebuild. New coach too. Horse persists with a plan of kick it down the wing to a contest, but the new kids can't win the contest.

Unfortunately Cats are still hanging in contention. Wouldn't it be a shame if Ablett's "I've come back to win premierships" tilt had the same success as Buddy's!
I've never understand the hype about Sydney's midfield, especially around 2014. Hannebery, Jack, McVeigh, Kennedy vs Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Burgoyne... umm, yeah...
 

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Goodes got boo’d for the same reason we boo Duckwood - they are both campaigners.

Any suggestion to the contrary is nothing more than popularist propaganda.

My opinion of AG has not changed because of that interview.
Populist?? Yeah, no. I think the overused P phrase you were looking for was politically correct.
 

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Unfortunately in the Adam Goodes Boo'ing Saga. Unless you interviewed every person and asked them why they did it, you can't say it was or wasnt racially motivated... I boo'd him the next time we faced them after the gibbo incident and that was it

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