No Opposition Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome** Part 3

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Because they act like good white boys.
Australians never have nor will like in your face black men. Goodes called someone out for being called an Ape, then dickheads started booing him over it, You had Eddie Mcguire over national radio make jokes about it after privately comming to Goodes and saying it wasn't on.

Was treated with absolute distain. Plus people dont like being called out for racist behaviour so people double down.
 

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Here we go again. So why not boo jetta, burgoyne, rioli, hill, mcleod, leon davis, byron pickett, etc etc etc ...
Because none of those players were outspoken.

We like our black fellas to just shut up and play footy.

If they shine a light on some of the shit they’ve had to cop quite a few people turn on them, while others protect these mouthy bigots by claiming “it has nothing to do with race” - completely disregarding some of the vile comments directed towards him for his stance on the settlement history of this nation.
 

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We like our black fellas to just shut up and play footy.
i just like footballers in general to just play footy, politics in sport is just god damn boring, entertainment(footy) is to escape the mundane world, not be lectured to about the mundane world, especially by moronic athletes with little to no education and usually are ignorant about such matters....
 

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It wasn’t racial for you Adelaide Hawk

It wasn’t racial for you Argy

But you don’t speak for the other hundred thousand supporters who for them it was maybe everything to do with race
I can state categorically that it wasn't racial for me either OTC.
 

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Goddard is constantly booed.
Hodge always got booed. Even in new colours he still gets his share.
Sam Mitch, at Freo always got booed., and Lewis got his share also. These players, and many others, get booed for things that happened during games, so why is Goodes considered different, when he had similar actions on the field? I just don't understand, but if I raised the old media conspiracy theory against us, I would get laughed at.

I am entitled to my opinions here, and expect to cop it from some who believe the media spin on Goodes. However, I would appreciate those who have similar views to mine to like this post.
 
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Because none of those players were outspoken.

We like our black fellas to just shut up and play footy.

If they shine a light on some of the shit they’ve had to cop quite a few people turn on them, while others protect these mouthy bigots by claiming “it has nothing to do with race” - completely disregarding some of the vile comments directed towards him for his stance on the settlement history of this nation.
I am not one of the "we" you talk about.

This is what makes the issue so heated - generalisations.

There is no doubt there have been vile racist comments directed at indigenous players, but tarring everyone with the same brush just inflames the average Joe who has no dog in the fight. I personally have a special regard for aboriginal culture that has grown over the years as I have become to understand it more. I loved Goodes as a footballer and thought he did some amazing things on the field. I never booed him. But I thought as his career began to wane his reaction to criticism, umpiring decisions, etc., was a bit "Scott brothers" like.

Most indigenous players are loved as much, if not more than their team mates. The public attitude to Goode's in his declining years was an exception to that rule. In my case, and I suspect the vast majority of football fans, it had nothing to do with race.
 
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Coming at the crowd was completely boo worthy. Classless act. Deserved every bit of criticism he got. The idiots who called him an ape were also classless. However, I don't think the general footy community despises Aboriginal players any more than they despise rivals. Fighting racism with racism is also classless, and those making that argument about Goodes are completely justified... he finished the spear throw with an FU gesture for Pete's sake. He doesn't deserve a free pass just because he's unwhite.

I think minorities should shut up and play footy. For what it's worth, I also want white players to shut up and play footy. Politics has no place in sport, imo. Players should advocate for stuff in their down time.
 

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Australians never have nor will like in your face black men. Goodes called someone out for being called an Ape, then dickheads started booing him over it, You had Eddie Mcguire over national radio make jokes about it after privately comming to Goodes and saying it wasn't on.

Was treated with absolute distain. Plus people dont like being called out for racist behaviour so people double down.
I don't think the booing happened because he called out the racism - most people applauded it. There were a few dickheads who got stroppy that she was 13 but I don't the masses disliked that.

The AotY speech aptly calling out the stains of our settlement certainly ruffled some feathers. I had booed Goodes previously due to the tripping in the game against us and the staging - much like I boo Selwood at games. However, when there could have been a link to dickheads being uncomfortable with his speech then I stopped. Whatever the motivations were for the group - I didn't want to be tarred with that brush.

Still reject that some of our players haven't flown the flag on Aboriginal issues however. Some of them might quietly spend some of their hard earned on helping communities also - I am not going to judge them from afar.
 

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I am not one of the "we" you talk about.

This is what makes the issue so heated - generalisations.

There is no doubt there have been vile racist comments directed at indigenous players, but tarring everyone with the same brush just inflames the average Joe who has no dog in the fight.
Agreed, and the flipside to this is that people who claim that the booing of Goodes had “nothing to do with race”(another generalisation) are blatantly wrong.

That’s the point I am making.

We had threads here where plenty of posters wanted to get stuck into Goodes for daring to suggest that the genocide of Aborignals at the hands of our pioneers was something that he struggled with(and condemned).
 

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Much like the behaviour on these boards toward opposition supporters in a gameday thread, when people smell blood at the football then a feeding frenzy ensues.

As soon as Goodes admitted the booing got to him it became way worse. Because suddenly more racists were emboldened? No, of course not. Because footy supporters are dickheads and feel they are doing their part as the 19th man on the field by kicking a guy in the nuts. And when he complains they kick twice as hard because they know it’s working.

Like almost everyone here who revels in the anonymity of BF to indulge their inner bogan and behave like a shit, so too at the grounds. You don’t have to be racist to be an a$$hole. There are plenty of feral motives that bring out the worst in football supporters.

My point here isn’t to excuse racism, in case any moral preeners are inclined to comment, but to say that you haven’t hit on the holy grail of bad behaviour regarding football supporters by pointing a finger and yelling, “Racist!” You have instead misdiagnosed the issue. It’s more accurate to yell, “Classless shits!” and then have a look in the mirror.
 

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Here we go again. So why not boo jetta, burgoyne, rioli, hill, mcleod, leon davis, byron pickett, etc etc etc ...
So why boo Goodes?

Byron Pickett belted blokes repeatedly so it cannot be that.
Jetta did the spear dance so it cannot be that.
Burgoyne, McLeod, Rioli are all superstars, Rioli especially maligned for being massively overrated yet they never booed him - so it cannot be the tall poppy syndrome.

So why did we boo Goodes?
 

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So why boo Goodes?

Byron Pickett belted blokes repeatedly so it cannot be that.
Jetta did the spear dance so it cannot be that.
Burgoyne, McLeod, Rioli are all superstars, Rioli especially maligned for being massively overrated yet they never booed him - so it cannot be the tall poppy syndrome.

So why did we boo Goodes?
You booed him? Racist.
 

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When did Goodes admit the booing got to him Carl Spackler
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/162cd69f17eceb9f149c728df46df728

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And to be clear to the rhetorically challenged, I’m not saying racism is OK. I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist. I’m saying racism wasn’t the motive.

Footy fans are classless a$$holes at the game and whatever edge might make a player crack, from booing at Goodes to screaming “Lock the rapist up!” at Milne, the footy supporter will use it.

You’re all trying to indict Australian society as some sort of racist hellhole and you’re completely wrong. And utterly self-unaware. Footy supporters at the ground are complete dickheads. They walk away from the ground and they are back to normal good people. Your efforts to tar society with a broad brush based on boorish behaviour commonly celebrated in society at large on these boards specifically is misplaced. And we’ll off target.

You want to stop boorish behaviour at games? Stop behaving like a boor here.
 

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One shudders to think what the reaction would be like if the gay players ever decide to come out.
Like when Ian Roberts did it. In the 90s. Nobody booed him. I am sure the odd dickhead yelled at him. No player would have been stupid enough to sledge him because Ian Roberts already hit like a sledgehammer - so trying to rile him up would have done you no favours.
 

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https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/162cd69f17eceb9f149c728df46df728

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And to be clear to the rhetorically challenged, I’m not saying racism is OK. I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist. I’m saying racism wasn’t the motive.

Footy fans are classless a$$holes at the game and whatever edge might make a player crack, from booing at Goodes to screaming “Lock the rapist up!” at Milne, the footy supporter will use it.

You’re all trying to indict Australian society as some sort of racist hellhole and you’re completely wrong. And utterly self-unaware. Footy supporters at the ground are complete dickheads. They walk away from the ground and they are back to normal good people. Your efforts to tar society with a broad brush based on boorish behaviour commonly celebrated in society at large on these boards specifically is misplaced. And we’ll off target.

You want to stop boorish behaviour at games? Stop behaving like a boor here.
It wasn’t a competition. I actually didn’t realise he said that but you carry on
 

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That gesture had much, much more impact, and garnered infinitely more respect and sympathy than Goodes.
The argument wasn't impact - the argument was footy players having the right to be political. If every clueless flog at my workplace can vent their racist spleens in the lunchroom then AFL players can talk about whatever they bloody want on or off the field. It's funny that those who always seek to deny athletes and celebrities their say on anything are probably the first in line for the 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' brigade whenever they want to talk about what's important to them. I'd bet my left testicle that those who have issue with Goodesy talking about racism would absolutely adore Andrew Bogut's twitter feed.

I tend to agree that as a sporting body the AFL should step back from making political statements - as should clubs. However, players are citizens of a democracy and should be free to express their opinions.
 
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