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Does anyone actually believe?Sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me.
The outrage and offense culture has done no good for those that look for refuge in it.
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Does anyone actually believe?Sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me.
The outrage and offense culture has done no good for those that look for refuge in it.
Sticks and stone will break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Now you’re dreamingI could add that if the AFL truly want to go down the road of respecting umpires how about cutting out any form of backchat from players, including the theatrical headshaking when a decision goes against a player, think little Gary. Starting with the crowd is placing the cart in front of the horse. Human nature would dictate that if the crowd see their teams players acting hard done by then that only serves to perpetuate that feeling in the crowd.
Name an occupation anywhere in the world where an employer will tell their staff that being abused is just part of the job?On a serious note, I can understand that he probably doesn't want to be abused at work, but it's far from being the worst insult around. If he can't handle that, then maybe being an AFL umpire isn't the right job for him.
Respecting the umpires isn’t a new thing though.I could add that if the AFL truly want to go down the road of respecting umpires how about cutting out any form of backchat from players, including the theatrical headshaking when a decision goes against a player, think little Gary. Starting with the crowd is placing the cart in front of the horse. Human nature would dictate that if the crowd see their teams players acting hard done by then that only serves to perpetuate that feeling in the crowd.
Again, I think what we are seeing here is a reaction to the final quarter documentary that has just come out and the coverage of violence at the footy we had over the first half of the season.
The booing of Ablett got headquarters nervous that they would have another example of fan behaviour out there as the same time the doco was stirring up old feelings and raising anew questions about the AFL's responsibility when it comes to crowd behaviour
I also think there is suddenly a lot of coverage of this at a time when the game on field is traditionally questioned, we always have complaints in winter about increased congestion, decreased scoring, less games with bye weeks etc.
Pretty good timing to shift the focus and sell a lot of papers and outrage about whether you can boo instead of whether we should bother watching
As a self-confessed pacifist I'm thrilled to hear the Army, Navy & Air Force won't exist in 10 years, thanks Abasi!Name an occupation anywhere in the world where an employer will tell their staff that being abused is just part of the job?
And I don’t mean local brickies or mechanics.
Businesses who do that will not exist in 10 years time.
As a self-confessed pacifist I'm thrilled to hear the Army, Navy & Air Force won't exist in 10 years, thanks Abasi!
Name an occupation anywhere in the world where an employer will tell their staff that being abused is just part of the job?
And I don’t mean local brickies or mechanics.
Businesses who do that will not exist in 10 years time.
I’m guessing you’ve missed the amount of investigations going on in the armed forces regarding behavior.As a self-confessed pacifist I'm thrilled to hear the Army, Navy & Air Force won't exist in 10 years, thanks Abasi!
https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-for-barracking-too-loud-20190611-p51wfr.html
It isn't just booing or calling umpires names anymore - fans risk being thrown out of the MCG for barracking 'too loudly'.
"Name an occupation anywhere in the world where an employer will tell their staff that being abused is just part of the job?"I’m guessing you’ve missed the amount of investigations going on in the armed forces regarding behavior.
What I really miss is the big forward versus the big backman in the last quarter. Mid-fielders simply getting the ball out of the middle to the forward line and letting the greats go to work - Carey, Brereton, Lockett, Quinlan etc.The game was faster and more exciting 40 years ago and anyone that says any different hasn't got a clue.
Not really sure why you want me to? I wouldn't expect any employer to say that, including the AFL. If you become an AFL umpire then you'd surely expect a few barbs come your way, as you would in any role in the service industry. That's not to say you'd deserve it, but people can be campaigners so you need thick skin.Name an occupation anywhere in the world where an employer will tell their staff that being abused is just part of the job?
I’m not the one making the workplace case. I’m making the case against “it’s been fine for a long time so it should still be fine”.It is only loosely a work place, one which all the participants have historically been aware of what comes with the territory.
The argument of "How would you like it in my workplace" just doesn't stand as it has never been a part of 90% of work places.
Except for when I was moonlighting as a stripper for hens nights and party buses, then some of the drunken comments I got would have made a grandmother blush.
So we have a story, about a single fan, told by said fan saying I was cautioned for being to loud.https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-for-barracking-too-loud-20190611-p51wfr.html
It isn't just booing or calling umpires names anymore - fans risk being thrown out of the MCG for barracking 'too loudly'.
There are ways to express disgust at the umpiring without directly targeting an individual with mouths full of invective.Sun smart
No I don't think yelling maggot is the same as what Winmar copped, I'm saying the blokes doing it used the same arguments.
It's just words, they don't hurt, I'm not offended so they shouldn't be. It's part of footy, it's my right!
I'll also say it again as it bares repeating.https://www.theage.com.au/national/...-for-barracking-too-loud-20190611-p51wfr.html
It isn't just booing or calling umpires names anymore - fans risk being thrown out of the MCG for barracking 'too loudly'.
As a self-confessed pacifist I'm thrilled to hear the Army, Navy & Air Force won't exist in 10 years, thanks Abasi!
You realize its a slippery slope don't you?There are ways to express disgust at the umpiring without directly targeting an individual with mouths full of invective.
“That’s a crap decision umpire” versus “You green maggot, you bald-headed flog”. One targets the decision the other attacks the individual.
Indeed."Name an occupation anywhere in the world where an employer will tell their staff that being abused is just part of the job?"
Fantastic to know being shot at, held hostage, stabbed, ambushed or blown to bits doesn't constitute being "abused"..... or that none of those things are as harmful as being called nasty names by co-workers.
Yes it’s indeed a slippery slope.You realize its a slippery slope don't you?
Once you start ejecting and banning fans for umpire and player 'abuse' you either need to be very SPECIFIC about what precisely constitutes 'abuse' or you leave it utterly open to interpretation, after which you'll encounter exactly the same problem we're seeing with umpiring in the first place - rules & laws can be interpreted in very different ways by different people unless their wording and internal logic is absolutely watertight.
So don't be surprised is there's a security guard out there who interprets "that's a crap decision umpire" as constituting 'abuse'. You just won't know until you get thrown out of the stadium for it, and by then it'll be too late.