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I would never condone racial vilification, but I'd like to know what she said before I send her off to the guillotine for a beheading. How do we educate these kids, and me for that matter as I don't fully understand it, if Goodes and others won't tell us what she said?
 

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the gushing of the media in relation to Sydney is mindblowing. They have beaten no one of note and that included pies and yet to listen tonight you would think they had played last years top eight in their opening rounds
As if the AFL would ever do that to a team......
 

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I would never condone racial vilification, but I'd like to know what she said before I send her off to the guillotine for a beheading. How do we educate these kids, and me for that matter as I don't fully understand it, if Goodes and others won't tell us what she said?
Pies board is rather disturbing to say the least on what is acceptable etc. Too many kids up late on the Net methinks.
 

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Pies board is rather disturbing to say the least on what is acceptable etc. Too many kids up late on the Net methinks.

I thought the pies thread on the topic was well balanced.

At the end of the day it's a young adult and while vilification has no role in the afl she shouldn't be hung, quartered and lynched just to satisfy the medias thirst for a juicy story. The consequnces could be tragic.

If I'm really honest I'm not sure how I feel about Goodes stopping and singling a person out and asking security to have her removed - going to have to sleep on it and see if that changes my mind
 
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I thought Goodes was magnificent tonight.

For a Collingwood supporter to do this 20 years after Winmar's iconic gesture at Victoria Park, after all the publicity surrounding it this week, beggars belief.

Goodes' reaction was entirely appropriate and commendable. He showed he will not stand for this anymore, and it will not be tolerated.

He hasn't gone over the top and demanded charges etc., but his point has been made loud and clear.
 

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I think channel 7 made too much of this incident. If Goodes has been racially vilified that is wrong but it appears the appropriate action was taken by the authorities and I thought it was too much to keep showing footage of the person concerned which they did at least twice while I was watching. I had the sense that Bruce etc. were quite excited that they had this incident to liven up what had become a boring game, had a bit of a lynch mob feeling about it. Good on Eddie though for going straight to the Sydney rooms though to voice his disapproval.
 

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Had to be racial - I used to have boundary line seats at the Gabba and I gave some players a bit of light-hearted ribbing. Players put up with that - some even laughed a bit at the banter by the fans up close to the action. For his reaction to be so rapid it couldn't not be racism.

I also couldn't be less of a Goodes fan - but that was a brilliant effort. Hope more players follow the lead. Ribbing is one thing - personal/racial attacks are pathetic.
 

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I thought the pies thread on the topic was well balanced.

At the end of the day it's a young adult and while vilification has no role in the afl she shouldn't be hung, quartered and lynched just to satisfy the medias thirst for a juicy story. The consequnces could be tragic.

If I'm really honest I'm not sure how I feel about Goodes stopping and singling a person out and asking security to have her removed - going to have to sleep on it and see if that changes my mind
Yes, thankfully common sense is beginning to prevail over there. No doubt we'll hear more about the incident in the media in the morning. However it is Indigenous Round, and while we celebrate the skills and achievements of the Indigenous players of the past and present, we're very much reminded of just why Nicky Winmar raised his jumper. Now 20 years on we're still wondering why vilification takes place.

Racial vilification has no place in society. Unfortunately, tonight this one was caught on live TV.
 

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Massive dampener on a very special round for the indigenous players of our game. Not a good look for the game but I was impressed by how Eddie handled the situation post match and also happy to see Goodes point out the offender, there is no place for racism in society.
 

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Sheez... We have beaten Collingwood & Sydney, both of whom have beaten Geelong.
And yet we still can't beat them. It's gotta be between the ears for the Hawks with Geelong doesn't it?? How in gods name did Collingwood win last week??
Geelong beat the Swans by 4 goals at the SCG.
 

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I thought the pies thread on the topic was well balanced.

At the end of the day it's a young adult and while vilification has no role in the afl she shouldn't be hung, quartered and lynched just to satisfy the medias thirst for a juicy story. The consequnces could be tragic.

agree CP.


If I'm really honest I'm not sure how I feel about Goodes stopping and singling a person out and asking security to have her removed - going to have to sleep on it and see if that changes my mind[/q

I have slept on it and right now I am hoping this young girl is OK
 

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The feelings of someone who felt it was okay to racially abuse someone like that don't concern me. That girl was about 14-15 at the youngest - old enough to know better. The age and gender of this person doesn't change nor excuse the horrid thing they have done. Ignorance is ignorance - and we shouldn't stand for it - no matter what mouth it comes from. I think life bans for all racial abuse at AFL games would be a start to deter these clowns from airing their backward views.
 

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Tbh, I thought it would of been more appropriate for Goodes to make the complaint after the game. No doubt they had her on tape, so they would be able to track her down and lay whatever charges or consequenses.

But, now, Goodes has exposed her to nation wide humiliation. She will be humiliated in school/work, in her community and where ever she goes.

You can see why Goodes did it though, I mean he would of been in shock, disbelief that it is still happening in today's age. Pretty disgusting to by the girl.

I feel bad for Goodes, just the same when I feel bad when Bud got racially vilified. We need to stamp these racist remarks at the footy, and in general society to, out.
 

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Tbh, I thought it would of been more appropriate for Goodes to make the complaint after the game. No doubt they had her on tape, so they would be able to track her down and lay whatever charges or consequenses.

But, now, Goodes has exposed her to nation wide humiliation. She will be humiliated in school/work, in her community and where ever she goes.

You can see why Goodes did it though, I mean he would of been in shock, disbelief that it is still happening in today's age. Pretty disgusting to by the girl.

I feel bad for Goodes, just the same when I feel bad when Bud got racially vilified. We need to stamp these racist remarks at the footy, and in general society to, out.
Firstly - good, she deserves to be shamed and humiliated. Secondly - now she knows how Inidigenous people have to feel purely because some people foster ignorant beliefs about their character based in nothing but their skin colour.
 

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It still seems to happen far too often for 2013, and it's obvious that portions of both the AFL and general communities still don't get it.

Whilst it's unfortunate that it was a young girl in this instance, I don't have a problem with her being singled out in principle. In the few instances in which someone has been racially vilified this season, what has come from it? An inconsequential 15 second sound bite on the evening news of someone saying that an unnamed supporter from club x was ejected and that the police are investigating.

Maybe this week's highly publicised walk of shame will discourage others from partaking in this behaviour and encourage some parents to have a well-needed conversation with their kids.
 

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Maybe this week's highly publicised walk of shame will discourage others from partaking in this behaviour and encourage some parents to have a well-needed conversation with their kids.
The same parents who didn't follow their daughter out as she was being led away - the apple didn't have far to fall


This is not the forum for it but until indigenous history is taught in schools from a very early age nothing is going to change. Australians still have a very very long way to go and while these types of initiatives are a start the message needs to be spread a little further than sporting arenas.
 

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The same parents who didn't follow their daughter out as she was being led away - the apple didn't have far to fall


This is not the forum for it but until indigenous history is taught in schools from a very early age nothing is going to change. Australians still have a very very long way to go and while these types of initiatives are a start the message needs to be spread a little further than sporting arenas.
I was lucky enough to learn Aboriginal culture in primary school and then learn the frontier history of Australia and our country's policy towards Aboriginals up until the 1970s - it certainly opens your eyes and give you a better appreciation of how we've ended up at this point. You are 100% right that it should be required learning. It doesn't even have to be shameful 'look at what you evil white colonialists did' type of learning - just give kids the facts and an appreciation for what happened.
 

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The same parents who didn't follow their daughter out as she was being led away - the apple didn't have far to fall

This is not the forum for it but until indigenous history is taught in schools from a very early age nothing is going to change. Australians still have a very very long way to go and while these types of initiatives are a start the message needs to be spread a little further than sporting arenas.
The carry on is OTT and offensive to people of a darker color of skin than myself in my humble opinion - firstly, because they resent being grouped together and represented like you would a herd of cows in the top paddock - they are individuals, and secondly, because the use of the term 'black' therefore makes that person inferior - nothing could be further from the truth in my experience as all my friends of every culture, nationality, tribe and clan celebrate their roots - I'm yet to find a person anywhere who is not proud of where they came from.

The pendulum of righteousness has swung that far the other way that our condescending attitude is far more appalling than our ignorant one.

At risk of copping a right, royal caning - the old saying 'sticks and stones may break my bones......' being applied to some in the community and not others is discrimination in itself against everyone.
 

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Take your point TAITA - however it was Goodes that felt compelled to immediately report this person - so obviously he did feel offended by whatever term was used. And if the term was 'black' then the perpetrator does mean it as an inferior slur. I hardly think she meant it in an empowering way. Sometimes middle class-white guilt does make us a little condescending - however Goodes was the victim, he was obviously offended and it quite obviously affected him. There's no room for that in the game.
 

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Take your point TAITA - however it was Goodes that felt compelled to immediately report this person - so obviously he did feel offended by whatever term was used. And if the term was 'black' then the perpetrator does mean it as an inferior slur. I hardly think she meant it in an empowering way. Sometimes middle class-white guilt does make us a little condescending - however Goodes was the victim, he was obviously offended and it quite obviously affected him. There's no room for that in the game.
No, that's fair enough.

It will be a great day when all people can get passed thinking that a person's skin color defines them.
 
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