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Actually, yes. Goodes himself said he looked over and saw someone he thought to be about 14. I'm in the minority on this forum, but I still think it was a very average thing for Goodes to do when there were other channels he could have gone through.

Being humiliated on a national stage is just too great a punishment for a 13 year old who made a mistake.
No I'm with you AH - I said on Friday night that I would sleep on it and my opinion hasn't changed - I thought it was over the top but then I've never walked in his shoes. It will be interesting to see how the pies handle the second incident that has come to light. I'm going to offend people but for mine it was the fact she was young that he elected to make an example of her - for him, twenty years and nothing has changed when its a kid doing the taunting.

I found it interesting his comment -

"''To come to the boundary line, to hear a 13-year-old girl call me an ape - and it's not the first time on a footy field that I have been referred to as a monkey or an ape - it was shattering.
''I turned around, and when I saw it was a young girl, and I thought she was 14, that was my initial thought, I was just like, 'Really, how could that happen?'''

Come at me, but I didn't like it
 

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Although Collingwood have been poor this season
Collingwood's next 8 weeks - bris melb dogs port Carl , adel in melb, suns GWS. Could easily be 13-4 with 5 to play

Will easily make top 8 maybe even top 4
 

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He lets a runner know, it's reported to the authorities who have a word with her. Done without the grandstanding. He did the wrong thing.
Disagree, he took action when it happened and owed the person no such graces as to protect her after copping the spray.

For me, it wouldn't have been a rational thought anyway when he dobbed her in, it would have been a spur of the moment thing to do it.
 

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I'm spewing! I want North to make the 8 and take up a valuable space keeping Essendon and Richmond out!
Would be more confident playing Essendon than North or Richmond I think. North imo are Top 8 team no doubt and are better than Richmond and Essendon
 

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Would be more confident playing Essendon than North or Richmond I think. North imo are Top 8 team no doubt and are better than Richmond and Essendon
I agree North are a much better team but the arrogance of the Essendon fans! I wouldn't be able to bear it! I live in the western suburbs where it seems like 75% of people support Essendon and the other (more dentally challenged) 25% support Footscray. I'm shuddering at the thought.
 

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Would be more confident playing Essendon than North or Richmond I think. North imo are Top 8 team no doubt and are better than Richmond and Essendon
Who are you tipping next week Sydney or Essendon? I personally would rather see Sydney miss the top four. :p
 

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All that McGuire and the club are doing is taking the pressure off the Pies,as long as the media continue to talk about a thirteen year old girl. Nobody is talking about the pies losing the game, McGuire doesn't like ANYONE knocking his darling boy Buckley.And while I think about abuse from a girl, what twitty Newman continued to show on that crap show, (I don't know whether they still show it),Jason Dunstall as an ape/gorilla.I don't watch that stupid show anymore,but for years they showed Dunstall as an ape etc.I was offended when they continually showed it,I won't watch it again. Fun is fun,but they carry on far too much. Time the media started talking about the pies losing-.not a 13 yr old,who should know right from wrong. I had wonderful parents,I never abused anyone or swore at anyone,I knew right from wrong long before 13!!! yrs of age.
Respect has flown out the door!!.:rolleyes:
 

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He lets a runner know, it's reported to the authorities who have a word with her. Done without the grandstanding. He did the wrong thing.
An example should be made of anyone who is racially abusing players. The message isn't just for her, it is for everyone watching. If there are people out there growing up thinking those sorts of comments are ok, bringing individuals cases out into the public eye shows them it is unacceptable. Racism isn't a problem with individuals, it is a social problem. You can't solve it but administering private punishment. It can't be cured through whispered conversations behind closed doors. It takes a show of solidarity. It takes a declaration by the community about what is right and wrong. Labeling Goodes' actions as 'grandstanding' is hyperbolic garbage and just shows how ignorant you are. Goodes should be applauded for being brave enough to make a stand.
 

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My step-dad mentioned that there was a good article in The Age about Chance Bateman on Sunday; however I cannot find it online (my search-fu may just suck), is anyone able to shed any light on this?

He also mentioned another good one about Brad Hill and Jed Andersen (link); by Emma Quayle, pretty good read.
 

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So, we have a girl, who Goodes thought was about 14, calling him an ape and many are asking what is the fuss all about. Ever heard of the final straw?

Re TAITA's post. I will not wear the argument of 'why do they get something I don't get'. Those, and there are many, who whinge about this confirm the point I made about Australian's covert attitude towards Aboriginals.

It is interesting that sections of the media continuously bang on about this with the intent of pushing their own agenda yet say nothing about taxpayer funded benefits available to targeted sections of the community that others do not get. It is hypocritical to criticise payments made to one group yet be quite happy to pocket their own personal payments.

I acknowledge that there have been and still are problems in the manner and management of assistance to Aboriginal groups. But, will someone please tell me the perfect solution?
 

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So, we have a girl, who Goodes thought was about 14, calling him an ape and many are asking what is the fuss all about. Ever heard of the final straw?

Re TAITA's post. I will not wear the argument of 'why do they get something I don't get'. Those, and there are many, who whinge about this confirm the point I made about Australian's covert attitude towards Aboriginals.

It is interesting that sections of the media continuously bang on about this with the intent of pushing their own agenda yet say nothing about taxpayer funded benefits available to targeted sections of the community that others do not get. It is hypocritical to criticise payments made to one group yet be quite happy to pocket their own personal payments.

I acknowledge that there have been and still are problems in the manner and management of assistance to Aboriginal groups. But, will someone please tell me the perfect solution?
This is part of the problem though. Sometimes both sides are right. Goodes was right to be upset. It is right that the girl should have been protected and probably should not have been singled out. Goodes reacted to a voice though, once he turned and pointed it was done, no going back, and he didn't know she was a 13yo girl when he turned and pointed.

Regarding the taxpayer funded benefits etc, how do you unscramble an egg? I have not seen it done successfully yet, and the problem in question is maybe harder.
 

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This is part of the problem though. Sometimes both sides are right. Goodes was right to be upset. It is right that the girl should have been protected and probably should not have been singled out. Goodes reacted to a voice though, once he turned and pointed it was done, no going back, and he didn't know she was a 13yo girl when he turned and pointed.

Regarding the taxpayer funded benefits etc, how do you unscramble an egg? I have not seen it done successfully yet, and the problem in question is maybe harder.
That is completely false. Racism is a social disease and it needs a social solution. You tell her off in private and all she does is go back to her peer groups which reinforce the old behavior. It also does nothing to correct the behavior of people sitting twenty rows back saying the same thing but who were too far away for Goodes to single out.
 

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In a small country town everyone knows everyone and you do not get away with bad behaviour via annonimity. The shame metered out by the community usually keeps everyone pretty much in-check most of the time.
I large cities we all revel in the annonimity, (like many do here). In the city we can get away with being many things we cannot get away within smaller communities. Much the same as it used to be when blokes didn't swear around women. "Ladies" didn't like to hear coarse language and didn't like those that used it, so blokes refrained when in their presence, "ducks on the pond" anyone.

The corrorally is true with racism, if we cared how we were thought of, by those the racism is directed towards, we would not do it. If the adolescent in the Goodes matter had a BFF of aboriginal herritage before the event, she might be struggling to maintain that friendship now. This sort of close-coupled consequence is what makes people think about their actions.

Now in a large annonomous city the only way to make it generally known how people behave is to use the media. Be it mainstream or social, if people realise they can be held to account they will act differently in public.

This may not change how they think, but in a civilised and tollerant society it is not what you think but how you act that maintains the civility.

After all if Adam were not civilised he could have jumped the fence and slapper her face for insulting him. He acted in a ideal way for all concerned. As adults we should not let the young go "unguided" when they perpetuate the errors of their parents and peers.

Just think how many lives could have been saved across the world if children did not inherit and act upon predjudice.
 
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