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That is completely false. Racism is a social disease and it needs a social solution. You tell her off in private and all she does is go back to her peer groups which reinforce the old behavior. It also does nothing to correct the behavior of people sitting twenty rows back saying the same thing but who were too far away for Goodes to single out.
She has the right to protection through being a minor. It's irrelevant anyway as her mother allowed her to be photographed and interviewed for the papers - tbh that in itself speaks volumes.
 

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She has the right to protection through being a minor. It's irrelevant anyway as her mother allowed her to be photographed and interviewed for the papers - tbh that in itself speaks volumes.
I haven't seen this. The body language would be very interesting.

Eddie Maguire's over the top holier than thou talkfest is also interesting. Come on Eddie you have made your point.
 

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bumpswithagrin and Ram-man thanks heaps for providing those links; a great article and very appreciative you were able to find it for me! - only now do I realise I put the request in the wrong thread, was meant to be the questions that don't warrant a thread, thread. :oops:
 

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She has the right to protection through being a minor. It's irrelevant anyway as her mother allowed her to be photographed and interviewed for the papers - tbh that in itself speaks volumes.
She racially abused someone at a nationally broadcast sporting event. What kind of anonymity can she reasonably expect? Besides, its not like Goodes identified her by name.
 

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bumpswithagrin and Ram-man thanks heaps for providing those links; a great article and very appreciative you were able to find it for me! - only now do I realise I put the request in the wrong thread, was meant to be the questions that don't warrant a thread, thread. :oops:
No worries :)

It was an interesting article, I remember when his sister died and thinking how hard it must have been for him :( I saw an short interview with him on the Hawks website and couldn't believe how mature he has become, especially as I always associate him most with his dreadlock era ;) Perhaps the suit and tie had something to do with it but he seemed very articulate and gracious, a fine example for the younger players :thumbsu:
 

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Re TAITA's post. I will not wear the argument of 'why do they get something I don't get'.

How do you reconcile that with the national hysteria and obsession that is 'the boat people' - one of the five 'most important issues' in this election? Racism? If so, why is immigration as a whole not such a controversial flashpoint?
 

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My point is that you say we are inherently racist, albeit on a lighter scale than many, my view is that we are inherently selfish and 'hard done by'.
I strongly disagree...Not all humans are inherently selfish.
Your notion of selfishness is the lie fed to the western world by capitalists trying to justify their own shortcomings.
Furthermore, instead of telling us to always rethink our views, how about you expand a little more upon your own?
 

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How do you reconcile that with the national hysteria and obsession that is 'the boat people' - one of the five 'most important issues' in this election? Racism? If so, why is immigration as a whole not such a controversial flashpoint?
Actually you could write a pretty good thesis on this. It is an example of framing a debate in order to lead people to your conclusion.

The coalition have worked very hard to establish a frame in which asylum seekers are amoral agents and not worthy of our protection. Leaving aside the facuality of these statements (I make no judgement either way and don't want a big debate!), the coalition have consitantly referred to asylum seekers as 'queue jumpers' to impose a moral frame in which seeking asylum is a means of taking a shortcut and impinging on the rights 'legitimate' immigrants. The use the term 'illegal immigrants' to impose the same frame. They also employ the term 'boarder protection' to impose a security frame in which asylum seekers pose a material risk to our sovereignty. From a cognitive science point of view, the important thing frames achieve is that they provide an opportunity for your brain to take a mental shortcut. You could go out and find facts and figures to support or refute the claims by the opposition and then make an informed decision but people don't do that. The brain takes on the frame in which the discussion is made and uses that to inform its opinion. If the discussion is about boarder protection then of course we want to protect our boarders.

Racism is informed by frames so embedded in our culture we don't even sense it. Everyone knows the 'sterotype' of the 'drunken, unemployed abo'. You probably didn't learn it at home or even at school. chances are you can't even recall where you learnt it. That sterotype is part of a frame which was established long ago and still remains in our culture. It is reinforced by every news report you see on TV showing aboriginals in a low socio-economic demographic. In response to the riots in logan earlier this year, Andrew Laming (federal MP) said this: "Mobs tearing up Logan. Did any of them do a day's work today, or was it business as usual and welfare on tap?"

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/mps-inflammatory-tweet-slammed-20130115-2cqc7.html#ixzz2UXipJj9Y


As soon as he saw those riots his immediate response was to judge the people involved in terms of race and socio-economic status. His mind employed the 'drunken, unemployed abo' frame and short cut his thought process directly to a conclusion. He didn't see a community grieving. He saw a bunch of welfare bludgers causing trouble. Whether he was right or wrong is irrelevant. He made the judgement without facts and entirely because of the frame in which the footage was presented. So when you hear humanitarian groups claiming outrage over the use of the terms 'illegal' or 'queue jumpers' to describe asylum seekers or any number of terms to describe indigenous Australians, it is because those terms create and reinforce a frame in which negative judgements will be made (or made more easily). Believe it or not, frames are so powerful that people will make judgments in line with frames even when confronted with opposing facts! And that is precisely why a public response is need to combat racism. If you don't make these things public the destructive frame remains unchallenged and will continue to persist as a facet of our cultural mix.

If you want to know more about the cognitive science behind frames, a good place to start is 'Don't think of and elephant!' by George Larkoff. It is a short and accessible introduction.
 

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Brishawk, to follow up on that I was listening to an actress of indigenous descent lamenting the fact that she and her fellow thespians are tired of always being portrayed as either a drug addict or drunk in the majority of roles they are offered and it was time for a shift in the thinking.

And for those who think that the comment from the young lass on Friday evening was due to being uneducated the attached article makes a mockery of that

http://tracker.org.au/2013/04/drunk...acist-hate-speech-all-in-the-name-of-charity/
 

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Brishawk, to follow up on that I was listening to an actress of indigenous descent lamenting the fact that she and her fellow thespians are tired of always being portrayed as either a drug addict or drunk in the majority of roles they are offered and it was time for a shift in the thinking.

And for those who think that the comment from the young lass on Friday evening was due to being uneducated the attached article makes a mockery of that

http://tracker.org.au/2013/04/drunk...acist-hate-speech-all-in-the-name-of-charity/
Yep, exactly. Its the myth that keeps on perpetuating itself.
 
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Some of the comments are nothing short of disgusting. "If the Americans or French were "satirized", I think humiliated would be the better word, in the same manner would they or any one else complain?" Just how dumb are some people?

I go back to what I first said, it is out there and it will never change. No amount of "education" will make any difference. Where is the example set by our leaders? Bishawk's example hits the nail on the head. If Premier Newman had appendages as big as his mouth he would have sacked Laming and the LNP should have removed him from their organisation.

Hey it's OK folks, we are not a racists, but......
 

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Young kids don't see any difference between any humans until they're taught to.
Not true. There has been studies which show how kids are born with an ability to discern but the brain adapts and that ability diminishes. Pretty interesting stuff about how we actually are rather than how we think or hope we are.
 
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