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Interesting isn't it?
Not one 'like' for a point of view My name geoff is putting forward, but plenty for the snide remarks in retaliation.

How has this board been allowed into fall into a state of what seems to me to be, disrepair?
Who's to blame? Why would have they allowed it to follow this path? Interesting.

How has one ring-leader been allowed to hijack thought and open expression?
Why do the minions follow blindly singing the same 'cult' song?

Where have all the good posters gone from this board? The ones that thought for themselves and had something to say, even if it didn't please all?

So many questions. So few answers.
These kind of sweeping statements are not cool. I’m no minion. I’ve pointed out what I know first hand from coaching both genders for a while now and how criticism is not the way to coach anymore. Don’t appreciate the commentary on the side that doesn’t add to the discussion mate. Especially when you’re using the term minion. I would wager most people taking the time to write something are thinking for themselves.
 

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The insane high levels of criticism Levi cops for his kicking have helped him soooooo much. It’s a fundamentally flawed argument and archaic coaching style that simply doesn’t work.
Always reckon he was a lazy footballer.

Putting him through the ruck makes him play without overthinking it.
 

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Are you saying Levi hasn't improved?

And if he doesn't continue to improve he will be gone..
Levi has been in the system for years. Since a junior and he has not improved much over that time span. Not until the hiring of Rocca. Who has worked closely with him as a mentor. Not a stand from afar hard ass who criticises. The women have only had two years available to them. Give them time.
 

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Interesting isn't it?
Not one 'like' for a point of view My name geoff is putting forward, but plenty for the snide remarks in retaliation.

How has this board been allowed into fall into a state of what seems to me to be, disrepair?
Who's to blame? Why would have they allowed it to follow this path? Interesting.

How has one ring-leader been allowed to hijack thought and open expression?
Why do the minions follow blindly singing the same 'cult' song?

Where have all the good posters gone from this board? The ones that thought for themselves and had something to say, even if it didn't please all?

So many questions. So few answers.
It's the middle of summer Harks. What do you and all those now absent quality posters want to talk about?

Give us a topic .

We're watching a sport that Geoff isnt interested in but spends days droning on endlessly about it.

He could just **** off and let people who enjoy it watch it but no, he has to explain in 28 different ways the same 2 or 3 points.

Quality posting that.
 

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Oh please Harker....
You cant like a post if you dont like it and if as a poster you dont agree, it's best to say so. Label me minion if you like but Geoff is off the mark here and I don't suffer from group-think for pointing that out.
You have to understand what's happening and why things happen, though.
I won't table that out here, but I welcome anyone to come to the SRP board and we can have a chat there.

Have a point of view but qualify it and don't just deride it, because it doesn't suit your narrative.

I'm not even agreeing with Geoff, but agree he should be treated a little better than he has been here in the last few hours.
Let's not be thugs and kick a man/woman when they're down. Discuss, debate, reason....
 

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Levi has been in the system for years. Since a junior and he has not improved much over that time span. Not until the hiring of Rocca. Who has worked closely with him as a mentor. Not a stand from afar hard ass who criticises. The women have only had two years available to them. Give them time.
My point is what I have witnessed is a culture of entitlement which has developed where the girls don't feel they need to work on the fundamentals.

Levi clearly puts in the work to improve.
 

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I feel sorry for AFLW. They should never of been forced to play on the same sized field and with the same size ball (correct me if I am wrong). It should of been taylored to their physical abilities.
Even though it is way off what I am used in terms of speed/skill, I watched pretty much all of our games last year and enjoyed Friday nights game. They are wearing our jumper after all, and without a doubt giving their all.
Some of the women have great skills, such as the Hosking twins. Rarely fumble and choose and hit right targets, very impressive. Then you have Vescio who hit teammates with absolutely sublime delivery.
The problem is that there is not enough of a spread in that level of talent and that is what drags it down. But it is very early in the AFLW developement phase and that cannot be avoided.
I think reducing the size of the ground and the amount of players (helping lift the overall skill level) would be beneficial.
And for what it is worth they all go in hard when its their turn.

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Smaller ball is my understanding .
 

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It's the middle of summer Harks. What do you and all those now absent quality posters want to talk about?

Give us a topic .

We're watching a sport that Geoff isnt interested in but spends days droning on endlessly about it.

He could just **** off and let people who enjt watch it but no, he has to explain in 28 different ways the same 2 or 3 points.

Quality posting that.
Maybe a fair point, but what's the harm in giving your take on something if....if, it is a considered and observed view-point?

I can't comment on AFL-W because I haven't watched it and understand for obvious reasons, it has some way to go, but we have posters that don't want to hear that and blindly applaud for the sake of.........I'm not sure and I maybe shouldn't speculate. Then again maybe I will......if I'm still alive. :)
 

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It's the middle of summer Harks. What do you and all those now absent quality posters want to talk about?

Give us a topic .

We're watching a sport that Geoff isnt interested in but spends days droning on endlessly about it.

He could just **** off and let people who enjoy it watch it but no, he has to explain in 28 different ways the same 2 or 3 points.

Quality posting that.
You're kidding me aren't you? Just because you don't like hearing an opinion which differs from your own, that person can **** off?

This is the first day I've posted about AFLW.
 

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You have to understand what's happening and why things happen, though.
I won't table that out here, but I welcome anyone to come to the SRP board and we can have a chat there.

Have a point of view but qualify it and don't just deride it, because it doesn't suit your narrative.

I'm not even agreeing with Geoff, but agree he should be treated a little better than he has been here in the last few hours.
Let's not be thugs and kick a man/woman when they're down. Discuss, debate, reason....
Agree. And we wonder why people cancel their accounts or stop participating on our board.
 

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If you fail to see the relevance of my point then you and everyone else here should enjoy spending the next 15 years trying to silence all the ridicule which will be levelled at the AFLW.

If you can't comprehend that what I am telling you is an educated, objective assessment, then unfortunately you are probably blinded by the same agenda HARKER is referring to.
Glad you can see into the future time to let it go sit back and see what happens and let time be the judge . Fair to very good chance your way off the mark re the ridicule to be levelled at AFLW btw . Also since you are able to tell us what the future holds for the AFLW maybe you can tell us will we win a mens senior flag with our current group ???? .
 

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Talk about agenda.........what are you peddling here cos it certainly is off topic.
Do you think the AFLW is doomed for lack of genuine criticism?
I'm peddling free and open discussion.
Let's not shot our pants when someone has an alternate view.

Geoff is being mowed down, with from what I've loosely observed, to be weak points of view.
He may not be right, but a pack is forming and getting stronger within that group. Just a bit of balance doesn't hurt sometimes........Does it?
 

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Thylacine, of course.

He's the individual that made the point of not going to listen to future podcasts, unless there was a female involved.
Think about that for a minute. Think about the agenda-drive involved? Why was that post necessary?

Again, objectivity and critical thinking isn't in vogue here. Agenda is.
It may seem to be cool to be saying all the right things to gain wider-spread approval, but it's not fair to this board as a whole.

Why have all the good football posters going....going.....gone. It's unfortunate when rolling dad jokes are what the mods want here.


No doubt this post will 'self-destruct' in 5 minutes, as many others have, but oh well.
Who are the good posters that don't post here anymore?
 

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Glad you can see into the future time to let it go sit back and see what happens and let time be the judge . Fair to very good chance your way off the mark re the ridicule to be levelled at AFLW btw . Also since you are able to tell us what the future holds for the AFLW maybe you can tell us will we win a mens senior flag with our current group ???? .
I've given my estimation on where the AFLW is at.

I've given my view on where it should be.

I've explained what I have learned in my time dealing with the AFLW and women's football in general and what is the fundamental flaw which has prevented good progress.

I haves offered my personal view on a solution.

Apparently all this is too much to handle for some. Grow up if you are one of those people. I'm out.
 

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I've given my estimation on where the AFLW is at.

I've given my view on where it should be.

I've explained what I have learned in my time dealing with the AFLW and women's football in general and what is the fundamental flaw which has prevented good progress.

I haves offered my personal view on a solution.

Apparently all this is too much to handle for some. Grow up if you are one of those people. I'm out.
Yes criticism is the answer well done see ya :thumbsu:
 

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Agree. And we wonder why people cancel their accounts or stop participating on our board.
Oh, how nice of you. :)

I've been here for ten years now and have seen what to me at least, were interesting football-posters cast aside. Names?
Sin City - Terrific football mind.
Emtwenty - Finger on the pulse. Sharp as, for a young individual. Oh, she is female by the way, as if that should matter.
40y.o. blue - Had more fights with him than I care to remember, but......he did have something to say and to be honest, got it right more than I did.
Many others, but can't recall right now.

Now we have other current posters that aren't particularly interested any more, also. I don't have to wonder why, because I know why.

Sure, they all made and will make their own decisions, but does anyone care to ask why they leave?
I know why and so should the people that run this site, as otherwise, this may as well become a faux-humour thread.
 
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If you fail to see the relevance of my point then you and everyone else here should enjoy spending the next 15 years trying to silence all the ridicule which will be levelled at the AFLW.

If you can't comprehend that what I am telling you is an educated, objective assessment, then unfortunately you are probably blinded by the same agenda HARKER is referring to.
It has been pointed out to you that the coaching landscape has dramatically changed since you were in under 5s for men as well as the new AFLW. The AFLW will not be doomed because there isn't enough criticism of the players.
The objective position would be to look at the comp. as a whole and assess whether progress in skills and dedication to training is there, not at your own anecdotal experience.
I don't have an agenda.
I like women in sport, I like girls having a pathway to professional sport, I like AFL and I like Carlton ...... that's my position.
 

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My observation from the AFLW system is at this stage, there is not nearly enough critisim on the girls, where warranted, for it to develop into a proper competition.

This forum is reflecting the type of attitude I observed at club level.

The result: girls who have been playing football as long as most boys still haven't mastered the drop punt.
Neither did Peter Hudson.
 

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Exactly. Coaching has evolved. I’m a coach and have been doing extra work learning how to coach women’s football (soccer) over the last two seasons. Coaching a women’s side is a completely different task and requires a different method and attitude. The old school discipline style/ hard ass involving heavy criticism of errors by making players do laps/ over exert themselves physically doesn’t work. Guidance and confidence boosting is key. When you get it right I’ve found the girls learn far quicker than any boys/ men’s teams I’ve ever run and I’ve never seen a group more committed to playing as a team.
Fabulously incisive post is fabulously incisive.
 

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I beg to differ. These players can kick drop punts but struggle under pressure. They get criticised for it. Even the great Chris Judd copped it for his kicking.

The difference is these girls can't kick a drop punt at training and aren't willing to work on it. Because everyone keeps telling them how fantastic they are.
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Interesting isn't it?
Not one 'like' for a point of view My name geoff is putting forward, but plenty for the snide remarks in retaliation.

How has this board been allowed into fall into a state of what seems to me to be, disrepair?
Who's to blame? Why would have they allowed it to follow this path? Interesting.

How has one ring-leader been allowed to hijack thought and open expression?
Why do the minions follow blindly singing the same 'cult' song?

Where have all the good posters gone from this board? The ones that thought for themselves and had something to say, even if it didn't please all?

So many questions. So few answers.
God you can be tiresome.
 

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You have to understand what's happening and why things happen, though.
I won't table that out here, but I welcome anyone to come to the SRP board and we can have a chat there.

Have a point of view but qualify it and don't just deride it, because it doesn't suit your narrative.

I'm not even agreeing with Geoff, but agree he should be treated a little better than he has been here in the last few hours.
Let's not be thugs and kick a man/woman when they're down. Discuss, debate, reason....
fence sit, sulk, ellipsis...
 
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