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credit to him - * board making out he is a hero in all this - he's basically just replacing money the bank mistakenly put in his account - after using the interest on it for the past 4 years
Some are saying that handing back the medal is a sign of his integrity....

I think the fact that he needs to hand it back is a sign of him having little to no integrity...
 

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Don't think anyone is arguing that the 2012 Brownlow was tainted, and shouldn't be stripped, but i just don't think the demonizing of Jobe is neccesary, i certainly won't see him in the same tainted light as Lance Armstrong or Olympic Dopers, i do feel sorry for the bloke, don't see any need to sink the boots into him, put it that way.
HE DELIBERATELY ALLOWED PEOPLE TO INJECT HIM WITH ILLEGAL PEPTIDES... he is exactly in the same tainted light as Lance Armstrong or the Olympic dopers.

He knew what was going on and he deliberately didn't report it to the authorities!
 

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I'd buy many things about the Essendon saga in regards to their players.

1. They didn't know what was going into their bodies.
2. They had been terribly misguided by everything to do with the cult of Hird.
3. The club told them lies and re-assured them that all was O.K.

One thing that no-one seems to raise any more is just how big and strong this mob rolled to town, into the season proper.
In the case of Jobe, what does he think made him and his team-mates superheroes for the first part of the season? Has Jobe forgotten?

This being the case, how with all his integrity, did he hang onto the medal for as long as he did?
That's not integrity and no sob story and fluffy words will changes that. The media is already glorifying the character of the man....I don't see it.
 
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.. the bloke had to get away from Australia for 12 months because of the fallout of the doping scandal.

Guilt is a powerful emotion.


At the end, he has done the right thing
The right thing would have been to hand it in immediately after his suitability was called into question.

There's little honour in being forced to hand it back, a year or two late. The AFL no doubt gave him an idea of what would happen next week.
 

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I have no difficulty in Jobe keeping the medal. I am surprised that he handed in it. It is the role of the AFL to ask for it to be handed back. This should have been done the day after the CAS decision was handed down at the very latest. This is an AFL failure from go to whoa. Not Jobe and nothing to do with Jobe's integrity. It is all about the AFL and their lack of integrity.

The Brownlow should be retrsopectively jointly awarded to Mitchell and Cotchin as runners-up. I know quite a few BF posters disagree but I really can't see much difference to this situation and a suspended player getting votes post-suspension.
 

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What a heap of steaming manure. The AFL continue to miss the point(deliberately). He should not have been given the opportunity to hand back the Brownlow Medal. It should have been confiscated by the AFL on behalf of those who play by the rules.
 

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I have no difficulty in Jobe keeping the medal. I am surprised that he handed in it. It is the role of the AFL to ask for it to be handed back. This should have been done the day after the CAS decision was handed down at the very latest. This is an AFL failure from go to whoa. Not Jobe and nothing to do with Jobe's integrity. It is all about the AFL and their lack of integrity.

The Brownlow should be retrsopectively jointly awarded to Mitchell and Cotchin as runners-up. I know quite a few BF posters disagree but I really can't see much difference to this situation and a suspended player getting votes post-suspension.
The AFL wouldn't have had any reason to get involved, had have Hird not gone down the, "Whatever it takes" path.

The AFL can be blamed for many things but unless they start the fire.....we really should direct our angst for those that actually did.
 

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I have no difficulty in Jobe keeping the medal. I am surprised that he handed in it. It is the role of the AFL to ask for it to be handed back. This should have been done the day after the CAS decision was handed down at the very latest. This is an AFL failure from go to whoa. Not Jobe and nothing to do with Jobe's integrity. It is all about the AFL and their lack of integrity.

The Brownlow should be retrsopectively jointly awarded to Mitchell and Cotchin as runners-up. I know quite a few BF posters disagree but I really can't see much difference to this situation and a suspended player getting votes post-suspension.
100% on the money mate.
 

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The AFL can be blamed for many things but unless they start the fire.....we really should direct our angst for those that actually did.
The AFL tried to push everything under one big giant carpet and pray that it went away and that they wouldn't have to do anything about it. Their governance is squarely to blame. I hate to say it but on this one the NRL got it right on. Cronulla took their wack and then a couple of years later won an NRL premiership as the overwhelming people's favorite going into the match. A good story of redemption and a well deserved and won premiership for a team who not so long ago did wrong.

Imagine had the Melbourne Storm rorted the system, been found guilty yet the NRL didn't strip them of their premierships and waited on the Storm to hand them back willingly. That's exactly how Jobe handing his medal back has been portrayed - by the media, the Essendon Football Club and the AFL. It stinks to high heaven.

The AFL deserve every bit of criticism that they are receiving. They need to grow some testicular fortitude and discover some integrity.
 

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Don't think anyone is arguing that the 2012 Brownlow was tainted, and shouldn't be stripped, but i just don't think the demonizing of Jobe is neccesary, i certainly won't see him in the same tainted light as Lance Armstrong or Olympic Dopers, i do feel sorry for the bloke, don't see any need to sink the boots into him, put it that way.
Not demonizing, don't feel sorry for him either.

In my opinion, he is every bit as guilty as Armstrong, Ben Johnson, Marion Jones or almost any Russian olympian. The worst part is, Watson could have prevented his younger team mates from partaking in an illegal doping program which may have serious medical consequences for them and any children they have.

I am saving any sympathy I have for the families of the players because they will suffer for Watson's lack of integrity and leadership. You can tar Dank, Hird, Reid and several others with the same brush for the same reasons.
 

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The AFL tried to push everything under one big giant carpet and pray that it went away and that they wouldn't have to do anything about it. Their governance is squarely to blame. I hate to say it but on this one the NRL got it right on. Cronulla took their wack and then a couple of years later won an NRL premiership as the overwhelming people's favorite going into the match. A good story of redemption and a well deserved and won premiership for a team who not so long ago did wrong.

Imagine had the Melbourne Storm rorted the system, been found guilty yet the NRL didn't strip them of their premierships and waited on the Storm to hand them back willingly. That's exactly how Jobe handing his medal back has been portrayed - by the media, the Essendon Football Club and the AFL. It stinks to high heaven.

The AFL deserve every bit of criticism that they are receiving. They need to grow some testicular fortitude and discover some integrity.
The AFL wouldn't have had anything to sweep had have Essendon conducted their business in the manner laid out to all clubs.

I can even understand the AFL trying to protect their brand, as wrong as that may be........Essendon trying to exploit theirs though? No....that's not on.
 

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andrejs.everitt10 years, 131 games and 3 clubs. I can't complain with that!
Now being a few weeks after my exit from the Carlton football club my fiancé and I have decided that the AFL chapter has been complete.


I would like to give a massive shout out to everyone who I have met along the way and who has supported me. The three clubs firstly, @westernbulldogs@sydneyswans @carlton_fc for everything you have allowed me to achieve and the opportunities you have provided me. My career has afforded me so many unique and amazing opportunities that I don't take for granted. I'd like to thank all of the players I have played with, I have learnt so much as u have been my family for the last 10 years. Special thanks to the halo crew, TKE, BC & the Westside + dang + Matt, Friends I'm sure will last a lifetime. Lastly my fiancé @adriennelee01 I'm so very grateful. Like the majority of professional footballer out there they have a tough job living a life of uncertainty year to year, packing up their careers and moving at a drop of a hat when you change clubs to support you, not to mention no weekends :) so for everything you have been through I say thank you and I love you very much. There will people I have missed but I'm sure I will get to you individually over the coming weeks.
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Not demonizing, don't feel sorry for him either.

In my opinion, he is every bit as guilty as Armstrong, Ben Johnson, Marion Jones or almost any Russian olympian. The worst part is, Watson could have prevented his younger team mates from partaking in an illegal doping program which may have serious medical consequences for them and any children they have.

I am saving any sympathy I have for the families of the players because they will suffer for Watson's lack of integrity and leadership. You can tar Dank, Hird, Reid and several others with the same brush for the same reasons.
Hear, hear Jabba.

Watsons lack of leadership led the this saga spiralling completely out of control.

He could have stopped it dead in its tracks early on - but chose not to.
 

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To be honest, i think it is bit of a twisting of tge facts to imply he delilerately cheated, guilty of being naive and gullible sure, but lets be honest, and i don't think it's really fair to judge him so harshly, the bloke had to get away from Australia for 12 months because of the fallout of the doping scandal.

At the end, he has done the right thing, its pretty easy to say, oh Jobe handed it back before it was taken away, but you can also say, as i do, he actually made the call out of common decency and respect, and saves the AFL commission from negative PR.

And from the sounds of it, Jobe had been wrestling with the decision for months, i'm prepared to cut him some slack
So he did a "Hird".

Took a year off and got $700k for his trouble.

It's a tough life.

Poor little darling!!!
 

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Don't think anyone is arguing that the 2012 Brownlow was tainted, and shouldn't be stripped, but i just don't think the demonizing of Jobe is neccesary, i certainly won't see him in the same tainted light as Lance Armstrong or Olympic Dopers, i do feel sorry for the bloke, don't see any need to sink the boots into him, put it that way.
If he had given it up once found guilty by CAS? 100% agree with you DVB.

But to give it up 4 days before it's going to be taken off him?

Weak as piss - and shows the lack of balls that got him into all this trouble in the first place.
 

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The AFL wouldn't have had any reason to get involved, had have Hird not gone down the, "Whatever it takes" path.

The AFL can be blamed for many things but unless they start the fire.....we really should direct our angst for those that actually did.
Perhaps i should have said from the time this episode became public. I don't think the AFL encouraged Hird to go down the path he went down. I did think my meaning was clear but apparently not. So sorry for the misinterpretation.
 
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