General AFL thread 2016

[VDS66]

I voted for Beazley, Rudd, Gillard, Gillard, Turnbull. 4 out of 5 times, I've voted labor. Never liked Tony Abbott. I would call myself a swinging voter, who only decides at the last minute.

Never voted One Nation - I am originally from an Asian country.

PS in the last election, One Nation preferenced Labor ahead of LNP, so make of that what you will.

In which case I stand corrected and apologise accordingly.

On a final note...

Regardless of the agenda. If a story is based on facts, then I have no problem with it. Regardless if it's right or left wing.

I'd never vote Greens, but agree with some of their stances.

EDIT: An interesting after thought...

You voted for Turnbull.

This means that you voted for a person / party that:

1. Pushed through senate reforms in the hope that it would wipe out the cross bench indies, and then
2. Called a DD election whereby senate candidates only needed half the quota to get elected.

Sure you didn't vote for One Nation directly, but you did anyway.

Hanson got a lower primary vote than 20 years ago when she didn't get elected, but now did.

Malcolm Roberts got elected with 77 primary votes.

Congrats.

 

[Plumber66]

And maybe no legs to stand on

We also had a pet calamari but had to put him down because he wasn't the full squid.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

In which case I stand corrected and apologise accordingly.

On a final note...

Regardless of the agenda. If a story is based on facts, then I have no problem with it. Regardless if it's right or left wing.

I'd never vote Greens, but agree with some of their stances.

That's the reason Peter Garret didn't join the Greens, they do what he was doing as a musician.
He wanted to try to achieve something. Pretty much hung out to dry IMO.

 

[gringo2011]

Anyone using the words Free or Freedom to define them I always associate with libertine-style conservative voters in favour of small government, everyone look after themselves, climate change is a lie, stolen children is a lie, we're all fine just the way we are, stop trying to change things, we all should be left alone to make money, survival of the fittest, preserve the privilege, etc. It's all so consistent. No better example than the Party For Freedom. All those gun geeks in the USA talk about is Freedom too, as did GW Bush to advocate the Iraq war, etc. Freedom has been corrupted in modern Western political discourse to mean Freedom To Do Whatever The **** We Want. They all think it means Freedom to think independently - suuure.

ALL the newspapers in Australia and most around the world are biased and politics in the Western world is more and more polemic, particularly Australia and the USA. I don't know about the Australian version, but in the UK, The Guardian is particularly focused on defending the little guy and minorities against unfair treatment. They also have a vested interest in helping society regulate itself to save the environment, which makes them one of the biggest enemies of people involved in the more traditional areas of the energy industry. Just like that fella from One Nation who was torn into little pieces by Prof Brian Cox on QandA the other day. Lobbyists, the lot of them.

The Guardian doesn't always get it right, theur columnists are a mixed bunch, but their journalists are professional and their editors are ethical. That's good enough for me.

I was just in the UK and during the BREXIT I was surprised by how right wing the BBC commentary seems to have become. It's like it starts it's furthest left somewhere in the Tony Blair region and heads hard right conservative from there. I couldn't watch it it was so biased and one sided in it's commentary you couldn't help thinking they were sold a pile of crap tat had no counter argument. I reckon the ABC has ben slowly heading to the right as they defend themselves against claims of left wing bias.

 

[gringo2011]

That's the reason Peter Garret didn't join the Greens, they do what he was doing as a musician.
He wanted to try to achieve something. Pretty much hung out to dry IMO.

I see the Greens as a party who is there as a road block to the really obscene policies that are sold out in the interests of commercial operations who pay to lobby the sitting governments. I'm glad they are there but I find them obstructionist....sometimes in a good way. It was probably the fact that Garrett saw no real power other than being a rock in the stream of politics that didn't appeal. Nick Zenaphon or how ever you spell it is similar, he shits me but glad he's there, his heart is at least in the right place.

 

[gringo2011]

Firstly, your analogy defies general experience. People go to prisons for 10 years or more..., but death sentences are banned. So, while you may have a personal preference, in common experience, death is least preferable. Not that the other option is any great shakes.

The other policy is the one Kevin Rudd followed similar to the one you espouse. By on shore processing, people DID get to Australia. He even excised entire mainland of Australia as a zone. Didn't work.

Anyway, it's a far cry from the original point I made, which was about unreliability of media even when it comes to sports.

This is a fair way away from that point, and I suggest we all move on.

I didn't say Labor has the answers either. Rather than stand up and say this is a load of crap and a non issue- they pandered to a society that has been sold a a lot of bullshit. Rudd's on shore didn't stop the boats but the current government has made any reporting of boat numbers an offence as it's operational matters not available to the public so we wouldn't know what's going on now anyway.

If the general population of Australia is left to not have to mentally recognise the issue any more it's been extremely successful. I'm saying it hasn't gone anywhere. People are drowning in Europe because they try to get to where there might be a place for them. Just because it's out of our area doesn't make us clever or successful at it just cruel and selfish.

It's a world issue as countries like Syria are a mess and they are being killed there and have nowhere else to go. Syria was a first world nation and one of the more cohesive mid east countries, they were a strong middle class society, if some shit happened here and I had to get out I'd hope someone would have our backs not sell the line that to save a few people drawing we are locking the doors and sending you back or to prison.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I didn't say Labor has the answers either. Rather than stand up and say this is a load of crap and a non issue- they pandered to a society that has been sold a a lot of bullshit. Rudd's on shore didn't stop the boats but the current government has made any reporting of boat numbers an offence as it's operational matters not available to the public so we wouldn't know what's going on now anyway.

If the general population of Australia is left to not have to mentally recognise the issue any more it's been extremely successful. I'm saying it hasn't gone anywhere. People are drowning in Europe because they try to get to where there might be a place for them. Just because it's out of our area doesn't make us clever or successful at it just cruel and selfish.

It's a world issue as countries like Syria are a mess and they are being killed there and have nowhere else to go. Syria was a first world nation and one of the more cohesive mid east countries, they were a strong middle class society, if some shit happened here and I had to get out I'd hope someone would have our backs not sell the line that to save a few people drawing we are locking the doors and sending you back or to prison.

Maybe we should move this all to the Nathan Freeman thread ( where we do our best to avoid mentioning football or hamstrings to avoid the curse ).
But many European's embraced their ideology to allow refugee's access , only to come back and wack them.

So you are stopped at the traffic lights behind a huge cue of traffic. Does it make sense that the guy who drives along the emergency lane and cuts in front of someone else is more deserving to go first?

 

[gringo2011]

Maybe we should move this all to the Nathan Freeman thread ( where we do our best to avoid mentioning football or hamstrings to avoid the curse ).
But many European's embraced their ideology to allow refugee's access , only to come back and wack them.

So you are stopped at the traffic lights behind a huge cue of traffic. Does it make sense that the guy who drives along the emergency lane and cuts in front of someone else is more deserving to go first?

there isn't a cue though. It's like one huge open plain with so many cars nothing moves. The guy that gets out and walks can sometimes get through but then sometimes when the traffic moves the walkers get mowed down. My old man worked with refugees in a camp and he says even 20 years ago there was no order or system that anyone could get a handle on. One person would be there 2 years and another would see their family go from birth to teenagers with out getting out of the camp. People with out papers are often the ones most traumatised but slowest to process because there are only a tiny staff processing. It's not an orderly pile. Too hard stuff gets left to rot, corruption is rife etc. It's one giant mess and rather than deal with it the government makes a sideshow distraction to hide it.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Maybe we should move this all to the Nathan Freeman thread ( where we do our best to avoid mentioning football or hamstrings to avoid the curse ).

Is Nath's string a lefty or a righty?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

there isn't a cue though. It's like one huge open plain with so many cars nothing moves. The guy that gets out and walks can sometimes get through but then sometimes when the traffic moves the walkers get mowed down. My old man worked with refugees in a camp and he says even 20 years ago there was no order or system that anyone could get a handle on. One person would be there 2 years and another would see their family go from birth to teenagers with out getting out of the camp. People with out papers are often the ones most traumatised but slowest to process because there are only a tiny staff processing. It's not an orderly pile. Too hard stuff gets left to rot, corruption is rife etc. It's one giant mess and rather than deal with it the government makes a sideshow distraction to hide it.

Look i know that if things get bad enough you would want to get out.... anything but stay. But then somehow the guy from Afganistan who happens to be floating on a boat off the coast of West Australia doesn't strike me as the most deserving , like... how does he get on a boat off the coast of Australia. Chances are there were a lot of places better than Afghanistan in-between where he left and when he embarked on a boat.
I'd much rather take that family who have been living their life in the camp you mentioned.

 

[gringo2011]

Look i know that if things get bad enough you would want to get out.... anything but stay. But then somehow the guy from Afganistan who happens to be floating on a boat off the coast of West Australia doesn't strike me as the most deserving , like... how does he get on a boat off the coast of Australia. Chances are there were a lot of places better than Afghanistan in-between where he left and when he embarked on a boat.
I'd much rather take that family who have been living their life in the camp you mentioned.

They don't process them though and often they escape and sell everything up to get out. they get to SE asia then have no work, no citizens rights etc. The camps are full and they are often in different countries that won't let them enter. It's not like there are a whole lot of option for these people to do anything but what they do. Plenty work in illegal jobs to save money for the journey and they are only doing that because places like Indonesia won't let them settle.

That's why everyone wants regional unity but unfortunately Australia started playing tough guy and demanding Indonesia take everyone or **** off. It's no good to tell them to take refugees themselves then say no one is allowed settle here. We made a big childish rhetoric driven bullshit fest which means no one wants to play ball with us. We end up bribing them to take more people but then it becomes unpopular with the locals who think we are campaigners and their governments are corrupt.

It's a lack of any real direction from us that makes it all much more difficult to resolve because we have a misguided notion that we should be exempt from taking on more than a handful of people. Unfortunately the debate doesn't ever get a counter voice here because of a very manipulative media. Murdoch has a lone voice in most Australian states and his agendas are pretty obvious.

 

[Plumber66]

They don't process them though and often they escape and sell everything up to get out. they get to SE asia then have no work, no citizens rights etc. The camps are full and they are often in different countries that won't let them enter. It's not like there are a whole lot of option for these people to do anything but what they do. Plenty work in illegal jobs to save money for the journey and they are only doing that because places like Indonesia won't let them settle.

That's why everyone wants regional unity but unfortunately Australia started playing tough guy and demanding Indonesia take everyone or **** off. It's no good to tell them to take refugees themselves then say no one is allowed settle here. We made a big childish rhetoric driven bullshit fest which means no one wants to play ball with us. We end up bribing them to take more people but then it becomes unpopular with the locals who think we are campaigners and their governments are corrupt.

It's a lack of any real direction from us that makes it all much more difficult to resolve because we have a misguided notion that we should be exempt from taking on more than a handful of people. Unfortunately the debate doesn't ever get a counter voice here because of a very manipulative media. Murdoch has a lone voice in most Australian states and his agendas are pretty obvious.

Unfortunately, no matter how informed your views, you won't convince people who are either bigoted, ignorant or simply swallow the kook aid that these people are would be terrorists or so-called illegals.

The irony is that most noise comes from privileged white conservatives who's ancestors pretty much arrived here illegally under the British flag.

 

[Plumber66]

Look i know that if things get bad enough you would want to get out.... anything but stay. But then somehow the guy from Afganistan who happens to be floating on a boat off the coast of West Australia doesn't strike me as the most deserving , like... how does he get on a boat off the coast of Australia. Chances are there were a lot of places better than Afghanistan in-between where he left and when he embarked on a boat.
I'd much rather take that family who have been living their life in the camp you mentioned.

With respect, people are busy worrying about a few thousand boat people whilst the Chinese are buying us out lock stock and barrel.

Can the mods take all this to the random topic thread?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Unfortunately, no matter how informed your views, you won't convince people who are either bigoted, ignorant or simply swallow the kook aid that these people are would be terrorists or so-called illegals.

The irony is that most noise comes from privileged white conservatives who's ancestors pretty much arrived here illegally under the British flag.

Well there goes the discussion, obviously i'm now smeared.

They don't process them though and often they escape and sell everything up to get out. they get to SE asia then have no work, no citizens rights etc. The camps are full and they are often in different countries that won't let them enter. It's not like there are a whole lot of option for these people to do anything but what they do. Plenty work in illegal jobs to save money for the journey and they are only doing that because places like Indonesia won't let them settle.

That's why everyone wants regional unity but unfortunately Australia started playing tough guy and demanding Indonesia take everyone or **** off. It's no good to tell them to take refugees themselves then say no one is allowed settle here. We made a big childish rhetoric driven bullshit fest which means no one wants to play ball with us. We end up bribing them to take more people but then it becomes unpopular with the locals who think we are campaigners and their governments are corrupt.

It's a lack of any real direction from us that makes it all much more difficult to resolve because we have a misguided notion that we should be exempt from taking on more than a handful of people. Unfortunately the debate doesn't ever get a counter voice here because of a very manipulative media. Murdoch has a lone voice in most Australian states and his agendas are pretty obvious.

The Germans tried opening their doors to the wave of refugee's from Syria, and unfortunately there WERE terrorists and criminals among them.
I don't see the logic of Australia opening their doors to all refugee's who undergo a long and hazardous journey to exploit a maritime law.
The alternative is to simply offer that anyone wanting to come to Australia can have a free airfare and settle here.
Do you really advocate such a position? Do your really think there would be no repercussions?

 

[STK2020]

Perhaps anyone who feels strongly enough about clearing the numbers in detention could sponser migrants personally .

 

[crasha301]

I like cheese.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

I like cheese.

A shop near me was advertising "free cheese".
But by the time i got there it was all sold out.
I shouldve known it was too gouda to be true

 

[Dopey BJ]

I have an apple tree in my back yard

 

[crasha301]

A shop near me was advertising "free cheese".
But by the time i got there it was all sold out.
I shouldve known it was too gouda to be true

Gotta go to coles snake, they offer free cheese and bickys while your shopping... i dont shop thou.

 

[crasha301]

I have an apple tree in my back yard

Im growing, well trying to grow a dwarf lime tree. Stupid thing hasn't grow a cm in a year. I think i killed it.

 

[STK2020]

I have beer

 

[crasha301]

I have beer

Me too and i have a rdo tomorrow.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

Gotta go to coles snake, they offer free cheese and bickys while your shopping... i dont shop thou.

Most threads on here usually turn to shit eventually.
We turned it to cheese crasha. Well done

 

[STK2020]

Me too and i have a rdo tomorrow.

Im sooo jealous

 

[Dopey BJ]

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Im growing, well trying to grow a dwarf lime tree. Stupid thing hasn't grow a cm in a year. I think i killed it.[/QUOTE

Im growing, well trying to grow a dwarf lime tree. Stupid thing hasn't grow a cm in a year. I think i killed it.

I almost taught my dog to live without food and the bastard died