General AFL thread 2016

[sonnywalters]

I know it is hindsight talking but can someone explain to me how the hell Rory Atkins went through to pick 81 in the 2012 draft?
Seems unfathomable in this day and age. Weren't we in to left footers back then with Pelchen? With all due respect it is difficult to understand how Saunders was considered a better player. I know, I know - other clubs also passed him by as well.... But sheesh.

 

[Barrels]

Maybe it's the lack of sleep... but I'm genuinely starting to wonder if the AFL is bent...

 

[austinnn]

Maybe it's the lack of sleep... but I'm genuinely starting to wonder if the AFL is bent...

I know what you mean dude. I know it seems inconceivable that a pro sports league could be, but I reckon there's a big chance the umps aren't on the level.

Look at the armchair ride the Eagles get in WA and Hawks anywhere. Probably wouldn't even be impossible for a good investigative journalism to find out.

Need to get just one of them to "blow the whistle" to expose the whole sham.

 

[plugger66]

What a great game last night. Skills were great and players from both sides were mostly very good. Shows how close we are if we bring our best which because we are young won't happen every week.

Now just one thing. What logical reason would umpires cheat so the Hawks win. The afl certainly wouldn't want them to win it again this year as they know the crap they will cop about an uneven competition. It was well umpired with the normal amount of mistakes helping and hurting both sides but like any game when we want a side to win we only see the errors against that side. I was a real neutral this week as I had 2 different selections in the 2 comps I'm in and saw nothing wrong with the umpiring. That doesn't mean the best side won but the side that knows how to win won


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[sauce_head]

What a great game last night. Skills were great and players from both sides were mostly very good. Shows how close we are if we bring our best which because we are young won't happen every week.

Now just one thing. What logical reason would umpires cheat so the Hawks win. The afl certainly wouldn't want them to win it again this year as they know the crap they will cop about an uneven competition. It was well umpired with the normal amount of mistakes helping and hurting both sides but like any game when we want a side to win we only see the errors against that side. I was a real neutral this week as I had 2 different selections in the 2 comps I'm in and saw nothing wrong with the umpiring. That doesn't mean the best side won but the side that knows how to win won


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I agree. No conspiracy.

But I'm not sure how the side that knows how to win won. Unless they know how to get four or five frees to none in the last four minutes. Some when their players were not even touched and some for contact that was deemed insignificant all night up to that point. It's simple. Without those decisions and a baffling lack of one they would not have won.

But you know, they are the amazing Hawks who never give in blah blah blah. Turn off.

 

[plugger66]

I agree. No conspiracy.

But I'm not sure how the side that knows how to win won. Unless they know how to get four or five frees to none in the last four minutes. Some when their players were not even touched and some for contact that was deemed insignificant all night up to that point. It's simple. Without those decisions and a baffling lack of one they would not have won.

But you know, they are the amazing Hawks who never give in blah blah blah. Turn off.

Have you thought that because they know how to win they attack the ball better when it really counts in the last few minutes. I saw nothing wrong with most of the frees all night and there is no way the umpires would deliberately pay wrong frees to them. I do know if I thought that I would never watch another afl game a never miss my local side

 

[Rors]

I know it is hindsight talking but can someone explain to me how the hell Rory Atkins went through to pick 81 in the 2012 draft?
Seems unfathomable in this day and age. Weren't we in to left footers back then with Pelchen? With all due respect it is difficult to understand how Saunders was considered a better player. I know, I know - other clubs also passed him by as well.... But sheesh.

Had a lot to work on & was a very lightly framed kid. He was held back until he was 110% ready. Was never thrown in the deep end & only made his debut late last year

 

[Rors]

Have you thought that because they know how to win they attack the ball better when it really counts in the last few minutes. I saw nothing wrong with most of the frees all night and there is no way the umpires would deliberately pay wrong frees to them. I do know if I thought that I would never watch another afl game a never miss my local side

So the one against Walker on Gibson which robbed all the momentum of the Crows was there? You know the one where Walker looked at Gibson to check his position & timed his jump to perfection so as to not make any contact with him & put him off taking the mark, which worked perfectly, only to have a green maggot pay a free against for front on contact where there wasn't any contact made.....

My problem is umps need to pay what's there in front of them 100% of the time, not 'guess' what may have happened in front of them. Walker was rightfully appalled by that decision. He make no contact at all yet the ump paid it at a crucial time. Just poor, really poor

 

[plugger66]

So the one against Walker on Gibson which robbed all the momentum of the Crows was there? You know the one where Walker looked at Gibson to check his position & timed his jump to perfection so as to not make any contact with him & put him off taking the mark, which worked perfectly, only to have a green maggot pay a free against for front on contact where there wasn't any contact made.....

My problem is umps need to pay what's there in front of them 100% of the time, not 'guess' what may have happened in front of them. Walker was rightfully appalled by that decision. He make no contact at all yet the ump paid it at a crucial time. Just poor, really poor

I don't think umpires are told to guess. Matter of fact they aren't but make mistakes like everyone does on the footy field.. Tried to find that free you mentioned but the replay isn't up yet. I will have another look at it but like about 15% of decisions it could have been a wrong one.

 

[Rors]

My issue with umpiring is the inconsistency & just weird decisions they come up with for absolutely nothing 50/50 plays....

Example 1: what the **** was that free kick paid to Shiels when Crouch gave him a shove in the stomach... Prohibitive contact? Seriously? He gave him an open hand push to the belly FFS

Example 2: 3rd quarter on the Crows far flank. Sloane gets pinged for contact while attempting to mark over Lewis because Lewis planted himself & blocked Sloanes run at the ball.... IMHO that's just a standard footy contest - call play on

Example 3: 4th quarter - Richard Douglas gets tackled by Lewis on the Hawks 50m after a boundary throw in. Douglas took possession from the tap, tackled immediately by Lewis & with both players standing & waiting for the ump just to call a ball up, both are shocked when Douglas gets pinged for HTB... Duck almost fell off his chair in the commentary box. I even think he labelled it an 'absolute shocker'

It almost looks like they just make shit up half the time.

 

[plugger66]

Maybe mistakes. My point is because some people wanted the Hawks to lose they only wee the mistakes favouring them. My guess is they usually work out evenly especially over the year. Of course some sides get more frees and others get less but there is no conspiracy IMO and fI feel for those who think there is because I just don't understand how you could watch a sport thinking that.

 

[Rors]

I was actually barracking for Hawthorn because Ive hated Adelaide since 1997 GF, but found myself picking my jaw up off the floor with just how much umpire bias 'appears' to favour them... You just can't touch them if the game is on the line, you just know you'll get pinged for something

 

[felsty]

My issue with umpiring is the inconsistency & just weird decisions they come up with for absolutely nothing 50/50 plays....

Example 1: what the **** was that free kick paid to Shiels when Crouch gave him a shove in the stomach... Prohibitive contact? Seriously? He gave him an open hand push to the belly FFS

Example 2: 3rd quarter on the Crows far flank. Sloane gets pinged for contact while attempting to mark over Lewis because Lewis planted himself & blocked Sloanes run at the ball.... IMHO that's just a standard footy contest - call play on

Example 3: 4th quarter - Richard Douglas gets tackled by Lewis on the Hawks 50m after a boundary throw in. Douglas took possession from the tap, tackled immediately by Lewis & with both players standing & waiting for the ump just to call a ball up, both are shocked when Douglas gets pinged for HTB... Duck almost fell off his chair in the commentary box. I even think he labelled it an 'absolute shocker'

It almost looks like they just make shit up half the time.

I think its just an over complex system that has been created for the umpires to call on. I still to this day talk to my old man about his footy days where even if you only had a fist of a guys jumper and he took a bounce would it be holding the ball, or if you didnt get a fist to the ball it was incorrect disposal.

I suggest we all watch the televised VFL games that are on and see how they are umpired. Infinitely better in my view. Umpires call the blatant ones and put it away the rest of the time.

The sad thing is I dont think its a difficult game to umpire provided it is being kept simple.

Call play on in the heat of battle but if a player has time to dispose of the ball or takes 1 player on and doesnt get it off - holding the ball.

If a player drops the ball or doesnt get clean disposal - incorrect disposal.

If a player protects space without inteferring with their direct opponent in the back in a marking contest - dont pay in the back.

 

[plugger66]

I think its just an over complex system that has been created for the umpires to call on. I still to this day talk to my old man about his footy days where even if you only had a fist of a guys jumper and he took a bounce would it be holding the ball, or if you didnt get a fist to the ball it was incorrect disposal.

I suggest we all watch the televised VFL games that are on and see how they are umpired. Infinitely better in my view. Umpires call the blatant ones and put it away the rest of the time.

The sad thing is I dont think its a difficult game to umpire provided it is being kept simple.

Call play on in the heat of battle but if a player has time to dispose of the ball or takes 1 player on and doesnt get it off - holding the ball.

If a player drops the ball or doesnt get clean disposal - incorrect disposal.

If a player protects space without inteferring with their direct opponent in the back in a marking contest - dont pay in the back.

I reckon games in the 70 and 80's were very poorly umpired and it was much easier then. Its a very hard game to umpire the way footy is today because of the numbers around the ball. As for your last 2 points well it would take a change of rule for those to work. The incorrect disposal is a good rule now. Take away prior opportunity and players will just sweet on you when you get the ball. May as well be second the ball and get incorrect disposal free. Must have prior opportunity. And with in the back there are two rules there. In the back is and has always been a free. hands on the back in a marking contest is a 6 year old rule. I could live without that rule and in the Ammos we don't use that rule.

 

[Plugger_87]

Lol at the conspiracy theorists, the hawks are very experienced and know how to win and definitely know how to benefit from frees. Nothing else more to it

 

[Glen Buterol]

Not sure if legit

 

[VDS66]

Too many rules IMO.

The AFL is trying to control the game too much... it's almost plastic and choreographed.

This whole rule-of-the-week is BS. are they umps or police FFS. Let's target speeding drivers this week... drink drivers next week.

This is how it looks to me, and I could be wrong. Every time there is an ugly aspect - in comes a rule to try and fix it.

If anything, they should overhaul the rule book and keep it as simple as possible.

As others have psoted... if it is obvious, pay it. There needs to be consistency. Not sure how you address that. Do we need full time umps?

 

[blktreacle]

Example 3: 4th quarter - Richard Douglas gets tackled by Lewis on the Hawks 50m after a boundary throw in. Douglas took possession from the tap, tackled immediately by Lewis & with both players standing & waiting for the ump just to call a ball up, both are shocked when Douglas gets pinged for HTB... Duck almost fell off his chair in the commentary box. I even think he labelled it an 'absolute shocker'

It almost looks like they just make shit up half the time.

thats always been holding the ball

 

[plugger66]

Too many rules IMO.

The AFL is trying to control the game too much... it's almost plastic and choreographed.

This whole rule-of-the-week is BS. are they umps or police FFS. Let's target speeding drivers this week... drink drivers next week.

This is how it looks to me, and I could be wrong. Every time there is an ugly aspect - in comes a rule to try and fix it.

If anything, they should overhaul the rule book and keep it as simple as possible.

As others have psoted... if it is obvious, pay it. There needs to be consistency. Not sure how you address that. Do we need full time umps?

I'm not sure ft helps. They can really do anymore training but who knows. I think most of the new rules are great. The only one I don't like is hands on the back. They tried to umpire early last year just paying the obvious and were hammered for it. I think the umpiring this year has generally been good. Not to much bad media but let's face it there will always be faults with it

 

[Stewart66]

I agree. No conspiracy.

But I'm not sure how the side that knows how to win won. Unless they know how to get four or five frees to none in the last four minutes. Some when their players were not even touched and some for contact that was deemed insignificant all night up to that point. It's simple. Without those decisions and a baffling lack of one they would not have won.

But you know, they are the amazing Hawks who never give in blah blah blah. Turn off.

Really over it. 5 mins into game
1 quarter gifted goal to poppy Seedsman penalised ,umpire over mic says prior opportunity
Problem was he was not original crows player.
Breust gets another non free 16 min gives to Gunston goal Hawthorn.
Again 14 min 20 1st quarter free against Dureya not paid .
Taylor walker hits the ball with open hand to 2 crows walking into goal .......free umpire calls it a throw.
In the back to crouch by sheils , in getting up pushes in chest open hand Nick Foote gives free against crouch.
Hodge flys into McGovern front on , balls hits the ground comes of Mcgovern's leg out on the full.
Hodge kicks to Tim Obrien takes mark and then gifted 50 because players did not clear 10 metre area quickly enough
Look at 18 minute mark 2nd Quarter mark to the crows , arms chopped clearly ..play on.
Result goal to Ceglar .
And there all in the 1st half.

There is a problem folks.

Funny after last nights game Hawks lead free kicks for & goals from frees for the season.

Stats don't lie

 

[St Kilda Death]

I don't believe in conspiracy theories. But it does look pretty dodgy when the umps get the hawks over the line 2 weeks in a row..

 

[Rors]

thats always been holding the ball

Then pay it every time or not at all.... Happens 10+ times a game & rarely gets payed

 

[Stewart66]

My issue with umpiring is the inconsistency & just weird decisions they come up with for absolutely nothing 50/50 plays....

Example 1: what the **** was that free kick paid to Shiels when Crouch gave him a shove in the stomach... Prohibitive contact? Seriously? He gave him an open hand push to the belly FFS

Example 2: 3rd quarter on the Crows far flank. Sloane gets pinged for contact while attempting to mark over Lewis because Lewis planted himself & blocked Sloanes run at the ball.... IMHO that's just a standard footy contest - call play on

Example 3: 4th quarter - Richard Douglas gets tackled by Lewis on the Hawks 50m after a boundary throw in. Douglas took possession from the tap, tackled immediately by Lewis & with both players standing & waiting for the ump just to call a ball up, both are shocked when Douglas gets pinged for HTB... Duck almost fell off his chair in the commentary box. I even think he labelled it an 'absolute shocker'

It almost looks like they just make shit up half the time.

Agree

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't believe in conspiracy theories. But it does look pretty dodgy when the umps get the hawks over the line 2 weeks in a row..

If not a conspiracy, they have strong confirmation bias, favoring the team they think is better. a professional organisation would recognise it and fix it

 

[joop]

What a great game last night. Skills were great and players from both sides were mostly very good. Shows how close we are if we bring our best which because we are young won't happen every week.

Now just one thing. What logical reason would umpires cheat so the Hawks win. The afl certainly wouldn't want them to win it again this year as they know the crap they will cop about an uneven competition. It was well umpired with the normal amount of mistakes helping and hurting both sides but like any game when we want a side to win we only see the errors against that side. I was a real neutral this week as I had 2 different selections in the 2 comps I'm in and saw nothing wrong with the umpiring. That doesn't mean the best side won but the side that knows how to win won


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If you think there was nothing wrong with the umpiring last night you might as well start following another sport.
I was a neutral watching that game and 5-0 free kicks to hawthorn in the last 2 minutes was a joke.