General AFL thread 2016

[Diehard Saint]

It is bizarre that the only reason they are finishing bottom ( most probably) is because they don't have 12 of their best playing... and that because they cheated.

And yet they will get pick one.

 

[Choomah]

I think some people just like to argue no matter what its about

true as glen buterol said big plug would argue that the sky isnt blue

 

[gringo2011]

I thought the club have only won one game because the players were punished. I think that then makes it a club punishment. And more importantly it makes it a supporter punishment. You can tell we got smashed this week bringing up things that are dead and buried even if people don't like it.

I was pissed off before this. It's not going to go down well if they make finals over some strugglers next year and a big part being their being gifted draft picks. They club is getting away with it, no one punished, Melbourne were punished for not tanking and Adelaide administrators had bans. Why not Essendon?

 

[gringo2011]

I thought the club have only won one game because the players were punished. I think that then makes it a club punishment. And more importantly it makes it a supporter punishment. You can tell we got smashed this week bringing up things that are dead and buried even if people don't like it.

i would say struggling teams who are perennially down like Brisbane would be more deserving and probably getting more of a punishment because the Dons get access higher in the draft.

 

[plugger66]

I was pissed off before this. It's not going to go down well if they make finals over some strugglers next year and a big part being their being gifted draft picks. They club is getting away with it, no one punished, Melbourne were punished for not tanking and Adelaide administrators had bans. Why not Essendon?

They were punished but you wont agree so I'm moving on. For your health maybe you should as well.

 

[cartel]

Yes they wouldn't have finished last of they had the 12 players. It's a not true spoon, whoever finishes second last has gotten shafted imo. Most likely Brisbane. I think all their picks this year should be end of round.

The penalties were for governance, ie putting themselves in this situation. They haven't been punished for cheating per se.

 

[gringo2011]

They were punished but you wont agree so I'm moving on. For your health maybe you should as well.

the players were punished, Essendon had a slap on the wrist for compliance issues never a charge for cheating.

 

[plugger66]

i would say struggling teams who are perennially down like Brisbane would be more deserving and probably getting more of a punishment because the Dons get access higher in the draft.

Yes I agree. 3 flags in a row is hard work even if you are down for a while.

 

[gringo2011]

Yes I agree. 3 flags in a row is hard work even if you are down for a while.

13 years ago was their last premiership and since then they have been down the bottom, the last few years they can't even keep the kids they do get. Apparently their training facilities are like a suburban footy club from the 1970s. The AFL is throwing any amount of money at the new franchises and letting the Lions rot. I have no problem with them getting a priority pick. I have a huge problem with Essendon getting pick one.

 

[Defacto]

First of all my original post was about recruiting a KPD with a late pick or rookie pick, from the state leagues, Adams was one of many examples, yet your first response is to take a dig at me because you don't think Adams is a Key defender, yet if you actually watch footy, which clearly you don't. You'd see that he plays on opposition Key Forwards, Like Bruce, Jenkins/Walker, Kennedy, Petrie/Waite/Brown. Want me to name any more key forwards or isn't that enough...
Now correct me if I'm wrong but does that not make him a KPD?
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This Bio also describes him as a KPD.

Also 10 (1%ers) on the weekend would suggest that he spoils as well as intercepts.

So now that I have countered your pathetic argument.
Would you like to explain to me why he isn't?

i'm basing it on what i've observed over here that last two years and what tony micale (WA development officer) said in his talent run down before the draft last year. at 193cm he is a touch undersized but he's built very strongly, is quick and is elite by foot

jenkins/walker/lynch kicked 12 between them
petrie/waite/brown kicked 6 between them, i remember this game as it was the first real test adams had and i watched his game with keen interest, to see how he could cope against a much taller bigger opposition

i've noticed that the doggies improve his weaknesses by using a team like defence. they essentially usually have a man in front of the fwd he is checking (see WCE on the weekend), that allows them to force the high ball, allowing adams to time his run for the spoil or to intercept the miss kick. the problem with this is it tends to leave the next dangerous fwd off the hook, allowing them to kick a bag, that or adams is isolated against a bigger opponent. re-watch the north game for how this worked

games against freo and us are not a good indicator of if adams is a KPD as their midfield completely obliterated ours, so there's no real competitiveness down there to judge him on

 

[VDS66]

the players were punished, Essendon had a slap on the wrist for compliance issues never a charge for cheating.

Yep, and clubs that play by the rules (us) get jack advantage.

 

[Choomah]

and to think cronulla are back up the ladder and premiership favourites after accepting the initial sanctions their players also got less time on the sidelines, essendon are absolute mongs

 

[Defacto]

Of course team defence helps.. If that's you base your opinion on then there's literally about a handful of genuine KPD'ers in the League, that can match it with the Big Key Forwards in the comp. Also the article on Adams today in the Hun pointed to the fact that he spent 66% of the game on Josh Kennedy, who had 3 kicks to 3 quarter time..
If he was a Saints player would rate him as a KPD?
He's a lot better that Tom Lee, who would lose 80-90% of one on ones with the best Key Forwards

Dogs board is that way buddy ->

Ive seen plenty of adams not the less than 10 games youve watched this year. I know what hes capable of.

 

[puppy_dog7]

Dogs board is that way buddy ->

Ive seen plenty of adams not the less than 10 games youve watched this year. I know what hes capable of.

Yeah great Response... Exactly what opinionated losers like yourself resort to when losing an argument.. Maybe you should go over to the dogs board seeing as tho you brought this whole Adams argument up in the first place.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Of course team defence helps.. If that's you base your opinion on then there's literally about a handful of genuine KPD'ers in the League, that can match it with the Big Key Forwards in the comp. Also the article on Adams today in the Hun pointed to the fact that he spent 66% of the game on Josh Kennedy, who had 3 kicks to 3 quarter time..
If he was a Saints player would rate him as a KPD?
He's a lot better that Tom Lee, who would lose 80-90% of one on ones with the best Key Forwards

Adams is a seriously good defender. Just needs to show his body can handle the pressure.
How did the dogs find him? Was a late WAFL pick wasnt he?

 

[tom1197]

Adams is a seriously good defender. Just needs to show his body can handle the pressure.
How did the dogs find him? Was a late WAFL pick wasnt he?

Pick 35 so not really late pick

 

[Doggstats]

Excuse my intrusion, but I want to clear up some false and misleading comments.

Yeah great Response... Exactly what opinionated losers like yourself resort to when losing an argument.. Maybe you should go over to the dogs board seeing as tho you brought this whole Adams argument up in the first place.

So he can come tell us how Adams is not a KPD and hasn't played that position even though that's the only position he's ever played since coming to the Dogs.

He's a fair size and I've seen him play multiple times this year as a KPD

really against who?

i mentioned francis because he's a similar type of player

Against every single team he's played against this year.

Also why are you comparing him to the 190cm Francis who plays as a half back utility? Eg. Brendan Goddard? That's like saying Brendan Goddard and Alex Rance play the same roles. Infact BJ and Rance are almost identical height (and dimensions) to Francis and Adams respectively. As well as playing the same roles (when BJ played across half back).

adams is not a KPD just like we didnt consider francis to be a KPD, when he finally went up against a tall fwd he got absolutely smashed and bevo was forced to make a change/keep him as a free defender

jenkins/walker/lynch kicked 12 between them

You mean the game where he broke his finger and still played out the game and held Taylor Walker to only 1 goal? As well as racking up 20 disposals and having 9 %1'ers.
Or are you trying to insinuate that it was Adams fault that Jenkins kicked 8 goals, even though he wasn't even his main opponent?

The thing with Adams is he so athletic, like Rance, that he can match up on much bigger oppoenents very well. He was a clear #1 in vertical jump at his draft combine (standing vertical as well, so he doesn't necessarily need a big run up to get high and spoil) and 2nd in the 20m dash, so his massive leap makes up for any height he lacks against the big monsters.

 

[Defacto]

Excuse my intrusion, but I want to clear up some false and misleading comments.



So he can come tell us how Adams is not a KPD and hasn't played that position even though that's the only position he's ever played since coming to the Dogs.




Against every single team he's played against this year.

Also why are you comparing him to the 190cm Francis who plays as a half back utility? Eg. Brendan Goddard? That's like saying Brendan Goddard and Alex Rance play the same roles. Infact BJ and Rance are almost identical height (and dimensions) to Francis and Adams respectively. As well as playing the same roles (when BJ played across half back).





You mean the game where he broke his finger and still played out the game and held Taylor Walker to only 1 goal? As well as racking up 20 disposals and having 9 %1'ers.
Or are you trying to insinuate that it was Adams fault that Jenkins kicked 8 goals, even though he wasn't even his main opponent?

The thing with Adams is he so athletic, like Rance, that he can match up on much bigger oppoenents very well. He was a clear #1 in vertical jump at his draft combine (standing vertical as well, so he doesn't necessarily need a big run up to get high and spoil) and 2nd in the 20m dash, so his massive leap makes up for any height he lacks against the big monsters.

firstly i dont know why the hell this being discussed in a thread about jake carlisle, you want to discuss marcus adams on a saints board then feel free to create a thread of **** off

secondly, the game i was referring to was against norf

thirdly, francis is nothing like goddard. goddard showed as a junior that he could play successfully through the midfield. the reason why francis slipped down the order is because he didnt show he could play that midfield role, just like adams hasnt been able to show that he can play through the midfield. gilbert showed in 2010 he could take a KPF as long as the team zone helped him defend his opponent and cut of their run, we dont sit here now pretending that gilbert is a KPD, do we? rance continually competes one on one and very successfully, i havent seen adams do this well yet.

i've seen him at WAFL level lose out on the bigger opponent like a wheeler and then struggle on the more agile quicker flighty fwd like a yarran. that is what i am basing my opinion on. if you dont trust my word for it, then list to micales statements on adams prior to the draft. he's seen more of him than you and i

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Not sure why there's an argument about Marcus Adams in this thread but he is very clearly a key defender. A 193cm, 98kg defender who averages 7.4 1%ers and 1.8 contested marks per game is very clearly a key defender. He also gets a lot of the footy. A bit like a stronger-bodied but slightly less smart/skillful Sam Fisher in his prime.

 

[Defacto]

Not sure why there's an argument about Marcus Adams in this thread but he is very clearly a key defender. A 193cm, 98kg defender who averages 7.4 1%ers and 1.8 contested marks per game is very clearly a key defender. He also gets a lot of the footy. A bit like a stronger-bodied but slightly less smart/skillful Sam Fisher in his prime.

sam fisher in his prime under ross wasnt a key defender though, he was used as a loose man in defence, given the freedom to cut off attacks through intercept marking

dawson, blake, mcguire/max and then gwilt were used as the KPD

 

[puppy_dog7]

Not sure why there's an argument about Marcus Adams in this thread but he is very clearly a key defender. A 193cm, 98kg defender who averages 7.4 1%ers and 1.8 contested marks per game is very clearly a key defender. He also gets a lot of the footy. A bit like a stronger-bodied but slightly less smart/skillful Sam Fisher in his prime.

He's not a Key Defender because Defacto has seen enough of him and says he's not. thats why..

sam fisher in his prime under ross wasnt a key defender though, he was used as a loose man in defence, given the freedom to cut off attacks through intercept marking

dawson, blake, mcguire/max and then gwilt were used as the KPD

And Gwilt is 5 cm smaller and 2 Kilos lighter and no where near as athletic yet you're saying he's a Key Defender and Adams isn't? seriously mate give it a rest.. This whole thing started from you singling out Adams from one of my earlier posts about all the mature age KPD being recruited from the state leagues.

 

[Defacto]

He's not a Key Defender because Defacto has seen enough of him and says he's not. thats why..


And Gwilt is 5 cm smaller and 2 Kilos lighter and no where near as athletic yet you're saying he's a Key Defender and Adams isn't? seriously mate give it a rest.. This whole thing started from you singling out Adams from one of my earlier posts about all the mature age KPD being recruited from the state leagues.

stop jumping to conclussions...

gwilt played on cloke in the 2010 GF, i'm not saying gwilt or gilbert are KPDs i am just saying that's how they were used, as the shut down player on their opponent. fisher and goddard were then used as the free wheeling tall down back to mop up loose ball and intercept marks and drive the attack out of the backline

i dont think gwilt is a KPD. i think fisher gets by in that position since his change in role but i wouldnt call him one either

i dont get why you are so precious over adams. we have a difference in opinion thats all and i'm sorry to say i'm not going to agree with you based on what i've seen

watch the eagles game, there was always a man position 15-20m in front of kennedy blocking his run at the ball, adams then hung back a bit and timed his run. similar to what gilbert would do back in the day

 

[Mowman]

Neale Daniher what a legend

 

[Choomah]

It is bizarre that the only reason they are finishing bottom ( most probably) is because they don't have 12 of their best playing... and that because they cheated.

And yet they will get pick one.

and they think they're going to play finals next year lmao

 

[Mat Mann]

It's a farce. Just another case of AFL admin stuffing up. Penalised what pick 8? But get to keep pick 1!!! Just another reason why we won't be as competitive as our plan envisaged ( Essendon/Richmond/GC/Fremantle ). We still need so much talent its scary