jenny61_99
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I noticed ASADA interviewed a couple more rugby league players a week or so ago, so clearly they are still investigating.
Mega Thread General ASADA - AFL - Essendon Investigation Discussion [Now a troll free zone - be warned]
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yaco55
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And the rugby investigation started 4 or months after the EFC investigation.
Clutching at straws !
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Um , what makes you think that. The investigations started at the same time.
Pretty sure the NRL players refused to co-operate so asada stopped their investigation to concentrate on the Ess, they only started back with the nrl just before the finals began I thought
Cryptic word puzzle:
Add end of it, then coin and infer action (10, 6)
Use the last letter of "it"
combine with "coin", "infer" and "action"
The AFL is using its coin and inferring action (rather than actually doing) to avoid issuing one of these.
Add end of it, then coin and infer action (10, 6)
Use the last letter of "it"
combine with "coin", "infer" and "action"
The AFL is using its coin and inferring action (rather than actually doing) to avoid issuing one of these.
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Wrong.
NRL investigation actually started before the AFL. The NRL investigation actually sparked the AFL investigation with information coming from steroid sellers pointing Essendon and Danks way. Your right some clubs via media reports stonewalled the investigation but in reality the upper management of those clubs were dealing with ASADA all through that time. Just look at the reports during the Essendon saga...NRL players were still getting done over, coaches etc were put under the spot light.
At this stage there is no time line for ASADA to "get it done". They are making sure all evidence is gathered before in my opinion the infractions hit. This is just the quite before the storm imo
jenny61_99
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Yes this is right. However, I believe the investigation is combined - they just had two legs to it, and findings wont be handed down until both legs are complete. This is particularly because of the Dank connection between the two codes and what happens in one code could well inform the other.
Sounds logical.
Sounds intuitively correct.
Makes good sense.
Ticks all the boxes.
Except the joint ASADA/AFL investigation is, by definition and necessity, a separate investigation to whatever is happening with the NRL.
Except the "joint" ASADA/AFL investigation was an anomaly and designed to let te AFL punish Essendon in some form before the 2013 finals series (because of the public pressure thye AFL was under at the time). The AFL when delivering the charges made it quite clear that their investigation and subsequent charges were based only of governance issue relating to section 1.6 of the AFL Code of Conduct only.
They also stated on many occassions that ASADA's investigation into possible drug code violations was ongoing and the AFL were not involved in that investigation. Now if the AFL do or do not know more about what went on at Essendon beyond poor governance is irelevant, as the AFL can not act until after ASADA present their findings.
More to the point the AFL & Essendon were very careful not to have any possible admission of drug cheating in the charge sheet against Essendons breaches against Section 1.6 of the AFL code of conduct. AFL as not to show bias toward a still ongoing investigation and Essendon so the charges could not be seen as an admission of guilt towards the still ongoing ASADA investigation.
You are arguing that ASADA was part of the "joint" investigation to humour the AFL, while doing the serious work in another investigation.
May I suggest that in relation to the "joint" investigation, you may have it wrong as to who is humoring who.
Sanity prevails, the club finally gives the incompetent, delusional coach the flick.
Ah s**t... wrong club again! Sorry guys.
Ah s**t... wrong club again! Sorry guys.
As opposed to giving a multi million dollar extension to a the only coach suspended for a season under Section 1.6 of the AFL's code of conduct. Whilst still under investigation from ASADA.
It's worthwhile reminding ourselves what the original title of this thread was.
- It originally contained a factual error of massive proportions (both the title and the article being referenced).
- Mclachlan has poured cold water over its premise.
What part of the article contained a "factual error of massive proportions"? Can you prove any of it's incorrect?
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The thread used to be "Asada preparing to issue infractions", a factual impossibility
Not if ASADA are preparing to issue infractions. Something that anyone outside of the ASADA investigation couldn't call a "factual impossibility" or not.
I asked about the article. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...etime-sport-bans/story-fnca0u4y-1226722374126
Very 1st line. ASADA recommends the AFL issue infraction notices.
ASADA need to do their legal paperwork. The assumption is if they recommend the AFL to issue infraction notices then the AFL will issue infraction notices.
So where is this "factual error of massive proportions"?
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You misinterpret - the AFL issues the infractions, where applicable.
Correct.
ASADA does not prepare legal paperwork to issue infraction notices under the AFL code.
They can have an AAF, which requires the AFL to issue an infraction notice (irrelevant in this case).
Otherwise they can put an ADRV before the ADRV Panel which, if substantiated by the Panel, results in an entry in the Register of Findings.
In none of the above cases does ASADA prepare legal paperwork to issue infraction notices.
So ASADA advise the AFL over the phone to issue infractions?
"G'day Andrew, how's it going mate? Just a quick call to let you know we're recommending infraction notices for the following 30 players ** reads out names ** ok I gotta run, talk to you later. Ciao"
Or do they create a report/document that meets their legal requirements and submit it to the AFL with their findings and recommendations?
Re-read the article. Magnay makes it clear in the very first paragraph that ASADA is preparing to recommend infraction notices. Magnay obviously understands the process so you're obviously misinterpreting the latter paragraph if you're implying that Magnay thinks ASADA issue infraction notices themselves.
Jokes on ASADA. David Evans is listening in on a second phone, with his hand covering the mouth piece so they can't tell he's also on the line!
We all know this, it is the AFL who will hand the infraction notices out. Unless ASADA feel the AFL has not acted correctly on their recommendations and take it straight to CAS.
I know, so technically yes you are correct. What about ASADA preparing to make recommendations for the AFL to issue Infraction notices.
