General MFC Discussion 2.0

[JP2]

Just checking the season stats, and it's interesting to see where we sit and what it means for our game style.

We're ranked the number one team in the AFL for disposals per game, but we're ranked 13th for kicks per game, 16th for marks per game and 17th for clangers per game. That tells me we're seriously over-possessing the ball, which I guess watching our games for the year should have already told me. Going back through the records, only two teams in history have averaged more handballs per game than us, and that's the Bulldogs in 2016 and the Cats from 2008-2010. Take that for what it's worth.

Overall, we did well statistically in:

Disposals (#1)
Handballs (#1)
Goals (#5)
Inside 50s (#4)
Tackles (#3)
Clearances (#4)

Poorly in:

Kicks (#13)
Marks (#16)
Goals Against (#14)
Hitouts (#17)
Clangers (#17)
Rebounds (#12)

Interestingly, there aren't any stats the we were mediocre at: either top of the league or bottom of the league at everything. I know stats don't mean much these days, but I think they reflect where we're at pretty accurately.

 

[pjfairbairn]

Just checking the season stats, and it's interesting to see where we sit and what it means for our game style.

We're ranked the number one team in the AFL for disposals per game, but we're ranked 13th for kicks per game, 16th for marks per game and 17th for clangers per game. That tells me we're seriously over-possessing the ball, which I guess watching our games for the year should have already told me. Going back through the records, only two teams in history have averaged more handballs per game than us, and that's the Bulldogs in 2016 and the Cats from 2008-2010. Take that for what it's worth.

Overall, we did well statistically in:

Disposals (#1)
Handballs (#1)
Goals (#5)
Inside 50s (#4)
Tackles (#3)
Clearances (#4)

Poorly in:

Kicks (#13)
Marks (#16)
Goals Against (#14)
Hitouts (#17)
Clangers (#17)
Rebounds (#12)

Interestingly, there aren't any stats the we were mediocre at: either top of the league or bottom of the league at everything. I know stats don't mean much these days, but I think they reflect where we're at pretty accurately.

Great analysis, thanks for putting the time in. Clangers stands out for me - do we have a specialist mental skills coach?

 

[pjfairbairn]

Reading this, realising that we were going to take Harry Taylor at pick 21, having flown to Perth to see him 2007 Draft Eve, only for Geelong to pounce with Pick 17. Who did we take? Addam Maric...

So Melbourne!

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Hey keep it as positive as you want mate. Oliver working his ass off in one per season is a good start. Really need Hunt ANB Brayshaw Salem etc to follow suit so that they can become better players than they are

They're doing a lot better than their Geelong equivalents at the same age I think. I just don't see anything to worry about - everyone is panicking because of the dramatic nature of our finals miss but it's not like our list/future would be any better if we'd kicked one more goal v Fremantle and scraped in.

 

[Sando22]

Just checking the season stats, and it's interesting to see where we sit and what it means for our game style.

We're ranked the number one team in the AFL for disposals per game, but we're ranked 13th for kicks per game, 16th for marks per game and 17th for clangers per game. That tells me we're seriously over-possessing the ball, which I guess watching our games for the year should have already told me. Going back through the records, only two teams in history have averaged more handballs per game than us, and that's the Bulldogs in 2016 and the Cats from 2008-2010. Take that for what it's worth.

Overall, we did well statistically in:

Disposals (#1)
Handballs (#1)
Goals (#5)
Inside 50s (#4)
Tackles (#3)
Clearances (#4)

Poorly in:

Kicks (#13)
Marks (#16)
Goals Against (#14)
Hitouts (#17)
Clangers (#17)
Rebounds (#12)

Interestingly, there aren't any stats the we were mediocre at: either top of the league or bottom of the league at everything. I know stats don't mean much these days, but I think they reflect where we're at pretty accurately.

I could be wrong but being ranked 17th in clangers mean we have the 2nd least ?

 

[Tulip]

There is one thing that's been bugging me so far about this off season. The talk of using the pain as a learning toll is crap.
Did Sydney learn after 14 and win it in 15?
Did the dogs learn anything after their prelim losses in 08-09?
Did the power learn from their prelim loss in 14?
Richmond after their 3 straight elimination final losses?
All that you learn is you aren't good enough and if the same blokes come back with the same attitude we won't go anywhere

Um mate the boys are really hurting.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

I could be wrong but being ranked 17th in clangers mean we have the 2nd least ?

Nah we averaged the second most, after Richmond. And the sides with the fewest were: Dogs, North, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Freo, Carlton, GC. Other teams with high clanger averages: Adelaide, Port, Geelong, Sydney.

ie clanger averages mean SFA

 

[Proper Gander]

Just checking the season stats, and it's interesting to see where we sit and what it means for our game style.

We're ranked the number one team in the AFL for disposals per game, but we're ranked 13th for kicks per game, 16th for marks per game and 17th for clangers per game. That tells me we're seriously over-possessing the ball, which I guess watching our games for the year should have already told me. Going back through the records, only two teams in history have averaged more handballs per game than us, and that's the Bulldogs in 2016 and the Cats from 2008-2010. Take that for what it's worth.

Overall, we did well statistically in:

Disposals (#1)
Handballs (#1)
Goals (#5)
Inside 50s (#4)
Tackles (#3)
Clearances (#4)

Poorly in:

Kicks (#13)
Marks (#16)
Goals Against (#14)
Hitouts (#17)
Clangers (#17)
Rebounds (#12)

Interestingly, there aren't any stats the we were mediocre at: either top of the league or bottom of the league at everything. I know stats don't mean much these days, but I think they reflect where we're at pretty accurately.

I sort of hit reply in haste, then realised my question had already been put.

Please carry on. Try and pretend I don't exist and I never posted this.

 

[00Stinger]

Just checking the season stats, and it's interesting to see where we sit and what it means for our game style.

We're ranked the number one team in the AFL for disposals per game, but we're ranked 13th for kicks per game, 16th for marks per game and 17th for clangers per game. That tells me we're seriously over-possessing the ball, which I guess watching our games for the year should have already told me. Going back through the records, only two teams in history have averaged more handballs per game than us, and that's the Bulldogs in 2016 and the Cats from 2008-2010. Take that for what it's worth.

Overall, we did well statistically in:

Disposals (#1)
Handballs (#1)
Goals (#5)
Inside 50s (#4)
Tackles (#3)
Clearances (#4)

Poorly in:

Kicks (#13)
Marks (#16)
Goals Against (#14)
Hitouts (#17)
Clangers (#17)
Rebounds (#12)

Interestingly, there aren't any stats the we were mediocre at: either top of the league or bottom of the league at everything. I know stats don't mean much these days, but I think they reflect where we're at pretty accurately.

Do you think that possibly the coaching group addressed the fact we aren't a great kicking team by over compensating on the use of handballs?

 

[Sando22]

Do you think that possibly the coaching group addressed the fact we aren't a great kicking team by over compensating on the use of handballs?

This.

No point kicking it if you cant hit a target

 

[00Stinger]

This.

No point kicking it if you cant hit a target

Our inside 50 efficiency was close to the worst in the league from memory

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[ponsdale]

I sort of hit reply in haste, then realised my question had already been put.

Please carry on. Try and pretend I don't exist and I never posted this.

So no different to normal then?

 

[schmuttt]

Nah we averaged the second most, after Richmond. And the sides with the fewest were: Dogs, North, Hawthorn, St Kilda, Freo, Carlton, GC. Other teams with high clanger averages: Adelaide, Port, Geelong, Sydney.

ie clanger averages mean SFA

Means SFA if you defend and pressure like Richmond mate, we weren't anywhere near the Tigers in those areas this year.

 

[Topkent]

They're doing a lot better than their Geelong equivalents at the same age I think. I just don't see anything to worry about - everyone is panicking because of the dramatic nature of our finals miss but it's not like our list/future would be any better if we'd kicked one more goal v Fremantle and scraped in.

Couldn't agree less
Firstly one more goal and we would have played PA. The same PA who couldn't beat a single top 8 side during the year and who then lost to WC at home. Every chance we win that.
Or we travel to Sydney and play then in what could have been a huge loss but could have been the win that defined the playing group for a decade.. we will never know because we never gave ourself that chance
Instead of spending another 12 months talking about how we haven't played finals that would be done and we could concentrate on the season at hand. Now there will be a tonne of nervous energy in the last part of the season again and if we do make a final the build up will be massive and probably over awe the playing group rather than having that dealt with last year.

Um mate the boys are really hurting.

Big deal they should be hurting and they only have themselves and their s**t attitude to blame. Point I was making though is that if you break up with your missus it's gonna hurt. But you can either sit on the couch crying eating ice cream or you can hit the gym and see her 6 months later with a better looking bird on your arm. I know jettas already back doing boxing sessions, that's great but hes already a gun what I wanna hear is Tmac is doing extra skill sessions an Omac is doing extra weight sessions, Trac is doing extra running sessions while Bugg is doing extra boxing sessions to help with his accuracy.

 

[Simon_Says]

I how Adeliade win the flag, only for Scott Thompson.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Means SFA if you defend and pressure like Richmond mate, we weren't anywhere near the Tigers in those areas this year.

The point is that all the top sides have high clanger averages and all the bottom sides have low clanger averages ie there's no correlation between a high clanger count and poor performance

 

[ABray10]

The point is that all the top sides have high clanger averages and all the bottom sides have low clanger averages ie there's no correlation between a high clanger count and poor performance

It probably correlates with the amount of footy you get, i.e the good sides get more footy so they have more clangers. Clangers per disposal might be a better Stat.

 

[ABray10]

Our inside 50 efficiency was close to the worst in the league from memory

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Was it? I would have thought so as well, but 4th in inside 50's and 5th in goals makes me think it is pretty average. It certainly looked like the worst in the league watching some of the games though.

 

[00Stinger]

Was it? I would have thought so as well, but 4th in inside 50's and 5th in goals makes me think it is pretty average. It certainly looked like the worst in the league watching some of the games though.

I remember seeing a statistic that our efficiency was ine of the worst in the league.
Pretty sure our goal kicking acciracy was the best though, might explain what you mentioned

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[Gysberts2Bate]

It probably correlates with the amount of footy you get, i.e the good sides get more footy so they have more clangers. Clangers per disposal might be a better Stat.

I'll have to see more convincing stats here

 

[markm106]

We need better ball users for sure. Lever out of the back half is a start. Getting the ball in the hands of guys like Lewis and Salem also helps. I'd like to see Clarry kick it more and even Stretch getting a regular game. That will get the efficiency up. Although when you get the ball the most it certainly gives you more clanger opportunities.

 

[PitchBlease]

Tired, drunk & there's a new Star Trek out, so I'm not, but is someone doing an MFC Brownlow #fistwatch?

 

[saj_21]

For what it's worth we had 15 players poll at least a vote in the Brownlow, the most of any club. Highlights our evenness but lack of a genuine elite player (yet)

 

[Willo 17]

So with that we are currently looking at Jake Lever to come into the team that has a great defensive punch in packs, is not regarded as an elite disposer of the ball by foot and worth 2 first round draft picks by most on here. Still looking for the advantage myself.

 

[TheCount]

So with that we are currently looking at Jake Lever to come into the team that has a great defensive punch in packs, is not regarded as an elite disposer of the ball by foot and worth 2 first round draft picks by most on here. Still looking for the advantage myself.

Perhaps not elite, but certainly very good ... also seems to make very smart decisions with it as well.