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What the three drivers still in contention need to do to win the 2025 Formula One world championship

Current standings after 23 of 24 rounds
408 - Lando Norris - 7 wins
396 - Max Verstappen - 7 wins
392 - Oscar Piastri- 7 wins

How NORRIS (McLaren) can win the title
He finishes anywhere in the top 3
He finishes 4th or 5th, Verstappen doesn’t win
He finishes 6th or 7th, both Verstappen and Piastri don’t win
He finishes 8th, Verstappen is 3rd or worse, Piastri doesn’t win
He finishes 9th, Verstappen is 4th or worse, Piastri doesn’t win
He finishes 10th, Verstappen is 4th or worse, Piastri is 3rd or worse

How VERSTAPPEN (Red Bull) can win the title
He wins in Abu Dhabi, Norris is 4th or worse
He finishes 2nd, Norris is 8th or worse, Piastri doesn’t win
He finished 3rd, Norris is 9th or worse Piastri doesn’t win

How PIASTRI (McLaren) can win the title
He wins in Abu Dhabi, Norris is 6th or worse
He finishes 2nd, Norris is 10th or worse, Verstappen is 4th or worse
 
Piastri takes out Norris and Verstappen in a racing incident - takes the 1 minute penalty and cruises to the championship



Senna v Prost Japan 1989
 

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Cromulant said:
*if Max wins.

If Oscar wins he can finish 5th I think. If neither Max or Oscar wins then its all but impossible for Oscar to win and very very hard for Max.
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I'd rather Max winning the championship than that smug little curly haired golden boy win it. Oscar wont win unfortunately.

But he will win one or more he has the time and talent.
 
Interloperer said:
If I was Piastri I would have simply waited another lap for my first pit stop.
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It's still this one for me. In the Qatar GP with its 25 lap limit on tyres, it was Piastri that was made to pit a lap early despite leading. Norris avoided losing 3 spots and coming out in the middle of a pack as a result. And Piastri fell further back from Verstappen.

There was no team reason for that (McLaren had already won the constructors championship) other than that Norris' results were apparently more important.
 
Piastri surprised McLaren this year If you do the sums, Norris would have been regarded going into the first race as a top 2 driver on the grid based on data and evidence from last year. Piastri would have been rated top 5 at best. So if you think about the realities, there is no chance McLaren would have thought Piastri would be a rival for Norris and the championship and hence they dont need the 1/2 driver set up all teams have and thought an easy request to appease Webber. Papaya rules were developed to just ensure fairness when the time came. McLaren would have genuinely thinking Norris will finish ahead of Piastri 80% of the time.

Mid way through the year Piastri has blown away the competition to be winning by nearly 50 points and he was beating his team mate regularly.

Now things get weird.

Piastri wins in the netherlands and was cruising in Monza albeit in 3rd position but due to Norris slow pit stop came out ahead. Papaya rules dictate a swap and so they swapped positions. Everyone accepted it at the time but then the events of Singapore took place. Norris misjudged a corner and shunted Oscar out the way. Now McLaren were never able to pass the pub test with their explanation. A slow pit stop is ok but shunting your team mate out the way is acceptable? this smelled off. Then there was the suspiciously slow pit stop of Oscar as he was running down Norris and look set to undercut him. If you watch the replay which there are plenty of in youtube the pit crew are moving suspiciously slow. This conveniently allowed Norris to get through and prevent the undercut.

Now people say its all circumstantial. Piastri lost form. But even the best racers have a form slump and not every race goes their way as some driving styles just arent the best on some tracks etc. So when you combine this with the oddities of strategy and one sides papaya rulings you have to seriously question just how dudded Piastri really was. Then the big one. USA, Mexico and Brazil, Piastri had a huge speed differential to Norris being noticeably slower. Ok engine wear and tear etc but at no stage during the year did Norris suffer a similar fate when his wear and tear kicked in.

All of this coincided with Max coming back into championship contention. Funny how Piastri losses speed, Norris gains nothing but positions over Piastri but Max comes storming over the top. In other words, McLaren ****ed around with the strategies, slowed Piastri down, Max came over the top and almost stole it.

There will be a lot more to come out about this in the coming years. Everything comes out eventually. Piastri and Webber are probably already analysing the seasonal data.
 

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adelaidecrows said:
Piastri surprised McLaren this year If you do the sums, Norris would have been regarded going into the first race as a top 2 driver on the grid based on data and evidence from last year. Piastri would have been rated top 5 at best. So if you think about the realities, there is no chance McLaren would have thought Piastri would be a rival for Norris and the championship and hence they dont need the 1/2 driver set up all teams have and thought an easy request to appease Webber. Papaya rules were developed to just ensure fairness when the time came. McLaren would have genuinely thinking Norris will finish ahead of Piastri 80% of the time.

Mid way through the year Piastri has blown away the competition to be winning by nearly 50 points and he was beating his team mate regularly.

Now things get weird.

Piastri wins in the netherlands and was cruising in Monza albeit in 3rd position but due to Norris slow pit stop came out ahead. Papaya rules dictate a swap and so they swapped positions. Everyone accepted it at the time but then the events of Singapore took place. Norris misjudged a corner and shunted Oscar out the way. Now McLaren were never able to pass the pub test with their explanation. A slow pit stop is ok but shunting your team mate out the way is acceptable? this smelled off. Then there was the suspiciously slow pit stop of Oscar as he was running down Norris and look set to undercut him. If you watch the replay which there are plenty of in youtube the pit crew are moving suspiciously slow. This conveniently allowed Norris to get through and prevent the undercut.

Now people say its all circumstantial. Piastri lost form. But even the best racers have a form slump and not every race goes their way as some driving styles just arent the best on some tracks etc. So when you combine this with the oddities of strategy and one sides papaya rulings you have to seriously question just how dudded Piastri really was. Then the big one. USA, Mexico and Brazil, Piastri had a huge speed differential to Norris being noticeably slower. Ok engine wear and tear etc but at no stage during the year did Norris suffer a similar fate when his wear and tear kicked in.

All of this coincided with Max coming back into championship contention. Funny how Piastri losses speed, Norris gains nothing but positions over Piastri but Max comes storming over the top. In other words, McLaren ****ed around with the strategies, slowed Piastri down, Max came over the top and almost stole it.

There will be a lot more to come out about this in the coming years. Everything comes out eventually. Piastri and Webber are probably already analysing the seasonal data.
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I mean all of this does make a lot of sense..... BUT Oscar has struggled on the same low grip tracks 3 years in a row now, its a definite work in progress for him.

Monza was a joke of a call by McLaren, and the penalty in Brazil was almost equally so.
 

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Blue Red and Gold said:
Couldnt he had slowed down to create bottleneck behind him, tried to engage Russell and Leclerc with Norris
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I don't think that would have worked.

A - he still needed to beat Oscar and there was little doubt that if he did back them up, Oscar would have had a crack.

B - the other 2 guys weren't really going to get involved in a title fight.
 
Cromulant said:
I don't think that would have worked.

A - he still needed to beat Oscar and there was little doubt that if he did back them up, Oscar would have had a crack.

B - the other 2 guys weren't really going to get involved in a title fight.
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Dont disagree but there was a chance something could happen, the way it played out was just a procession with a predetermined outcome.

I had hoped with so much at stake and how hard RB had fought to get back in the title race they would have tried anything.

Did it really matter to them if Max finished 2nd or 3rd?
 
Blue Red and Gold said:
Dont disagree but there was a chance something could happen, the way it played out was just a procession with a predetermined outcome.

I had hoped with so much at stake and how hard RB had fought to get back in the title race they would have tried anything.

Did it really matter to them if Max finished 2nd or 3rd?
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In the end he had to win the race and hope that Tsunoda could help him out.

Everyone expected him to back the field up, which is probably why they didnt do it. If something big happened to Norris which nearly did happen, he would have won the title.
 
So Kyrigios is taking on words woman number 1 Sabalenka in a "battle of the sexes".

I find these games a bit meh, we know due to size, strength etc that a woman will struggle against a decent professional player in tennis, just what it is, still, I hope she wipes the floor with the underachiever but reality is she won't.

What I do find weird is Billy Jean King getting so angsty against it as it may dull the memory of when at the height of her powers, she barely got across the line against a 55 year old man. For those unaware, I'm well aware of what drops off when you get older in sporting ability at that age... lateral movement falls off a cliff, speed goes, strength backs off and worse of all, your mind thinks it can still do the same shit you did when you were 20.

Granted, I wasn't observant of when that game went down and what influence it had on the womens movement but beating an old man on a tennis court when you are the best female player is no big deal Billy Jean. I hope Sabs beats Nick so it erases your achievement BJ, you sour cow.
 
spenze said:
So Kyrigios is taking on words woman number 1 Sabalenka in a "battle of the sexes".

I find these games a bit meh, we know due to size, strength etc that a woman will struggle against a decent professional player in tennis, just what it is, still, I hope she wipes the floor with the underachiever but reality is she won't.

What I do find weird is Billy Jean King getting so angsty against it as it may dull the memory of when at the height of her powers, she barely got across the line against a 55 year old man. For those unaware, I'm well aware of what drops off when you get older in sporting ability at that age... lateral movement falls off a cliff, speed goes, strength backs off and worse of all, your mind thinks it can still do the same shit you did when you were 20.

Granted, I wasn't observant of when that game went down and what influence it had on the womens movement but beating an old man on a tennis court when you are the best female player is no big deal Billy Jean. I hope Sabs beats Nick so it erases your achievement BJ, you sour cow.
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Even Serena Williams says at her absolute prime she would not have won against a male ranked in the top 100.

The speed, strength, power, fitness, agility and stamina to play 5 sets makes the mens game a different level of tennis.

The only way Sabelenka wins is if its treated as a joke by Kyrgios or Sabelenka's real name used to be Rafael Nadal.

I dont agree with these matches in general. They are a gimmick. Im not sure other than money Sabelenka agreed to it. If she wins, she will know its because Kyrgios half tracked it.
 
adelaidecrows said:
Even Serena Williams says at her absolute prime she would not have won against a male ranked in the top 100.

The speed, strength, power, fitness, agility and stamina to play 5 sets makes the mens game a different level of tennis.

The only way Sabelenka wins is if its treated as a joke by Kyrgios or Sabelenka's real name used to be Rafael Nadal.

I dont agree with these matches in general. They are a gimmick. Im not sure other than money Sabelenka agreed to it. If she wins, she will know its because Kyrgios half tracked it.
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They usually modify the rules for the Battle of the Sexes games. For example, it's not uncommon for the female to be playing the singles court while the male has the whole doubles court to contend with. Another common rule change is to limit the male to a single serve for each point (not counting lets).
 

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