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Sure does add up and doubt costs are a level playing field for clubs, especially where councils are involved.
I asked some club people a while back. Ive no reason to doubt them that NHO is the dearest ground in the south costing over $30k, followed by KGV at about $30, in front of Boot Park at about half that!!.

I believe Aurora costs NL a fortune, at well over $30k. I dont know about other grounds but They'd be much cheaper.
 

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Remember the clubs have to pay to get junior development done & comply with a heap of AFLTas requirements. Also playing northern teams means almost no opposition supporters which costs clubs heaps.
I know NHCFC pay many times more to play on NHO when compared to SFL clubs on those grounds. Also the costs of extra training nights, gym facilities etc. It all adds up.
NHFC has the use NHO for the full twelve months ( no other tenant using the Oval ) of the year and has always benefited financially previously ,when finals have been played.They also generated huge financial win when they had those exhibitions League and Union games a few years back. they have access for training on it from the start of the training season .
Up at the TCA we share the ground with DOSA FC in the winter , and North Hobart Cricket club in the summer. WE train away from the ground ,and only get access between the 1st april- 30th sept
We pay the going rate for the lease ,So i wouldnt be complaining
 

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NHFC has the use NHO for the full twelve months ( no other tenant using the Oval ) of the year and has always benefited financially previously ,when finals have been played.They also generated huge financial win when they had those exhibitions League and Union games a few years back. they have access for training on it from the start of the training season .
Up at the TCA we share the ground with DOSA FC in the winter , and North Hobart Cricket club in the summer. WE train away from the ground ,and only get access between the 1st april- 30th sept
We pay the going rate for the lease ,So i wouldnt be complaining
NHCFC are not allowed on NHO over the summer. Preseason is usually at Cornelian bay. Juniors are rarely ever on the ground. I remember that HFC did pay a fraction of the amount HCFC had to pay when we were given rough figures some time ago.
Fund raising for one rugby league match & some TFL games 20 odd years ago doesnt mean much now.
 

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If you mean North Launy's Roozendaal getting just 1 week for his 3rd report in 12 months, compared to Clarence's Gleason who gets 6 weeks? Or was it some other problem?
They gave 2 with offer of 1 for early plea. They fought it and lost yet only get 1 week still. Can't work that out. The other lad cops 6 with no footage or umpire evidence. Compare that to what happened month or so ago when a bloke got 4 weeks overturned due no evidence after causing serious injury. Sounds like both should have copped lengthy sentences yet only 1 did. Then add in the Bowden scenario and there are reasons why some like myself may be scratching their head. Seems a lottery at the moment.
 

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They gave 2 with offer of 1 for early plea. They fought it and lost yet only get 1 week still. Can't work that out. The other lad cops 6 with no footage or umpire evidence. Compare that to what happened month or so ago when a bloke got 4 weeks overturned due no evidence after causing serious injury. Sounds like both should have copped lengthy sentences yet only 1 did. Then add in the Bowden scenario and there are reasons why some like myself may be scratching their head. Seems a lottery at the moment.
I thought they must have felt sorry for Rooza missing out on the GF last year due to suspension. But really, he was reported twice this year. How he didnt get at least 4 for such a crap record is beyond me.
 
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I asked on there a few weeks ago but nobody answered. So will ask again.
Who is on the MRP and tribunal,??
what qualifications do these people have??
Does anybody know
 

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They gave 2 with offer of 1 for early plea. They fought it and lost yet only get 1 week still. Can't work that out. The other lad cops 6 with no footage or umpire evidence. Compare that to what happened month or so ago when a bloke got 4 weeks overturned due no evidence after causing serious injury. Sounds like both should have copped lengthy sentences yet only 1 did. Then add in the Bowden scenario and there are reasons why some like myself may be scratching their head. Seems a lottery at the moment.
I cant remember a year when so many players have been let of with nothing but a reprimand or just let off all together. Roosendaal only getting a week seems very strange also, it seems whatever he does he only gets a week for it despite being reported multiple times in the last year or so. The incident with Proctor last year should have resulted in a 3 or 4 week suspension, and it astounded me that North people were claiming he was not guilty although in reality I'm sure it was only wishful thinking. I have never regarded Roosendaal as a dirty player but the last year or so he seems to have lost a bit of self control.
 

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Ok, just had a quick look and they played some finals at KGV from 86-89 and not necessarily matches involving Glenorchy either and from then on all at North Hobart in the south.
Back in the early 80s the Bowen Bridge was touted as the big thing to get more people into the northern suburbs and as such, the TANFL was trying to get KGV built as a 27,000 seat stadium for footy, cricket, fully lit with sponsors boxes etc. The first signs of that was when they kicked Hobart off the TCA Ground at the end of 1982 and made them go and be "guinea pigs" for want of a better word and force them to play all home games at KGV along with Glenorchy.
Hobart lost a sizeable section of their membership and supporter base over it and ended up a basket case finishing on the bottom in 1983, 1984 and 1985 and looked destined to be excluded from the Statewide League in 1986 only that they signed Peter Hudson as coach and recruited well in the off season and went on to make the finals in their final year at KGV (1986).
The TANFL rostered one of their Winfield Intrastate Series matches there in 1984, played an interstate game there in 1986 against Queensland and followed up by playing TFL finals there in 1986, 1987 and 1988.
The public never really ever warmed to KGV as a venue as much as they did with North Hobart as it had very little atmosphere in comparison and after 1988 no more finals were scheduled for the ground.

1984 Winfield Intrastate Series
NTFA 20.12 (132) d NWFU 17.16 (118)
Attendance: 1,724

1986 NFL Shield Interstate Match
Tasmania 28.12 (180) d Queensland 9.14 (68)
Attendance: 4,264

1986 TFL Statewide 1st Semi Final
Clarence 18.22 (130) d North Hobart 15.10 (100)
Attendance: 4,439

1987 TFL Statewide Elimination Final
Hobart 18.11 (119) d Burnie Hawks 9.14 (68)
Attendance: 2,803

1987 TFL Statewide 1st Semi Final
Clarence 18.13 (121) d Hobart 17.15 (117)
Attendance: 3,885

1988 TFL Statewide 1st Semi Final
Burnie Hawks 12.19 (91) d Sandy Bay 11.11 (77)
Attendance: 2,369
 

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Back in the early 80s the Bowen Bridge was touted as the big thing to get more people into the northern suburbs and as such, the TANFL was trying to get KGV built as a 27,000 seat stadium for footy, cricket, fully lit with sponsors boxes etc. The first signs of that was when they kicked Hobart off the TCA Ground at the end of 1982 and made them go and be "guinea pigs" for want of a better word and force them to play all home games at KGV along with Glenorchy.
Hobart lost a sizeable section of their membership and supporter base over it and ended up a basket case finishing on the bottom in 1983, 1984 and 1985 and looked destined to be excluded from the Statewide League in 1986 only that they signed Peter Hudson as coach and recruited well in the off season and went on to make the finals in their final year at KGV (1986).
The TANFL rostered one of their Winfield Intrastate Series matches there in 1984, played an interstate game there in 1986 against Queensland and followed up by playing TFL finals there in 1986, 1987 and 1988.
The public never really ever warmed to KGV as a venue as much as they did with North Hobart as it had very little atmosphere in comparison and after 1988 no more finals were scheduled for the ground.

1984 Winfield Intrastate Series
NTFA 20.12 (132) d NWFU 17.16 (118)
Attendance: 1,724

1986 NFL Shield Interstate Match
Tasmania 28.12 (180) d Queensland 9.14 (68)
Attendance: 4,264

1986 TFL Statewide 1st Semi Final
Clarence 18.22 (130) d North Hobart 15.10 (100)
Attendance: 4,439

1987 TFL Statewide Elimination Final
Hobart 18.11 (119) d Burnie Hawks 9.14 (68)
Attendance: 2,803

1987 TFL Statewide 1st Semi Final
Clarence 18.13 (121) d Hobart 17.15 (117)
Attendance: 3,885

1988 TFL Statewide 1st Semi Final
Burnie Hawks 12.19 (91) d Sandy Bay 11.11 (77)
Attendance: 2,369
The dumbest thing was the Hobart city council knocking back the chance to buy the B&D institute building on the northern wing at North Hobart Oval, then building the new grandstand too close to the ground at the eastern end. The opportunity was lost to increase the ground size & length to make it AFL compatible.
Just look at the popularity of inner city grounds like Adelaide Oval, the G & Etihad.
Im still bemused by the simply stupid mistake by the HCC to do nothing!.
So now we have Boot Park. Its a nice ground stuck in a suburban setting, its a bugger to get in & out of the area. The easy access to NHO by public transport & car via highway & main road would have been great. Walking to the pubs & food places in the North Hobart strip, or into town, would have been terrific for locals & visitors alike.
I guess in defence of KGV, access & parking is much better than at Boot Park. They could also have utilised the rail line to run trains from the city for big events. With MONA being so popular, the trains would be a goer now. That too was an opportunity lost by the clowns who run councils & Gument.
 

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The dumbest thing was the Hobart city council knocking back the chance to buy the B&D institute building on the northern wing at North Hobart Oval, then building the new grandstand too close to the ground at the eastern end. The opportunity was lost to increase the ground size & length to make it AFL compatible.
Just look at the popularity of inner city grounds like Adelaide Oval, the G & Etihad.
Im still bemused by the simply stupid mistake by the HCC to do nothing!.
So now we have Boot Park. Its a nice ground stuck in a suburban setting, its a bugger to get in & out of the area. The easy access to NHO by public transport & car via highway & main road would have been great. Walking to the pubs & food places in the North Hobart strip, or into town, would have been terrific for locals & visitors alike.
I guess in defence of KGV, access & parking is much better than at Boot Park. They could also have utilised the rail line to run trains from the city for big events. With MONA being so popular, the trains would be a goer now. That too was an opportunity lost by the clowns who run councils & Gument.
You can throw in Hobart City council turning their back on the TCA ground
We all went to the Gillette cup cricket final win at the TCA in 1978 didnt we ???
HCC refused to see the growth and future of cricket and allowed the head quarters to
walk across the bridge to Boot Park ( dennis Rogers will confirm this ).
I am TCA member, and alot of us have for years regretted the move.
totally lock in suburbia .We have been told by CA , no nite test ,as people cannot walk to
ground like they do in Adelaide and will do in Brisbane
 

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You can throw in Hobart City council turning their back on the TCA ground
We all went to the Gillette cup cricket final win at the TCA in 1978 didnt we ???
HCC refused to see the growth and future of cricket and allowed the head quarters to
walk across the bridge to Boot Park ( dennis Rogers will confirm this ).
I am TCA member, and alot of us have for years regretted the move.
totally lock in suburbia .We have been told by CA , no nite test ,as people cannot walk to
ground like they do in Adelaide and will do in Brisbane
I dont know about Adelaide but its next to the city at least. I do know Brisbane, you cant really walk to it from the city centre ,its too far, & its a decent walk from a train station, most people seem to go from the city by bus.
The thing about NHO is the transport corridor along Argyle St. As a kid NHO was easy access with bus stops outside the ground & buses moving past all day.
KGV is easy for parking, its also near the buses on main road, the highway & the rail could be used & was once upon a time. I did go to the footy on a train once, a fair while ago ;)
The TCA is on a hill & not that easy to access unless you're happy to walk up that hill from the city. That was ok when I was a kid! Parking up their is more limited than people realise. Nice view from atop the Domain though :)
They have buses to Boot Park, but if you want to leave early, or stay after for a while, you are stuck without much transport. Also their is SFA to keep people in the area, maybe the Clarence pub, theirs not much else after a game.
 

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Well we had a big finish to the home & away season tonight.
NHCFC by 77 points over finalists Lauderdale. That is a fantastic finish for the improved Demons lads. I think it shows that they play for their coach & as I said, they have improved as the season went on.
Glenorchy had 43 scoring shots to 9 against the Tigers for a 119 point win. 9 goal kickers is a good sign for the magpies.
 

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I found Adam Henley's comments to media interesting regarding why he is stepping aside from the Tigers. He indicated it was due to a particular Board member & cited directional and culture differences. I would have thought they were all on same page with a 5 to 10 year build and to call this out in year 3 is dissapointing to hear.
 
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Just to change the subject a little, perhaps its time to look at the coaching situation for 2017.
We have 2 coaches gone at this stage. Do we have any other clubs looking at a change, forced or otherwise?
NL& Kingston Tigers are the first 2 clubs that will be looking from now.
What about the other clubs?
Clarence have had no success with short term coaches. Will Webberley get the gig longer term?
Lauderdale have not improved. It'll be a miracle if the do much in the finals. They do look stale. Will they make a change?
At NHCFC, Richter has done a good job developing the bunch of kids he started the season with. He appears safe.
Launceston will no doubt have last years appointed coach resume services once the Essendon drug suspension is over.
I presume Proctor is safe at Burnie. Is he?
Despite not having won anything yet, the media hype on Cornelius seems to indicate he'll be in the market for a step up. So maybe Glenorchy will be on the hunt.?
Devonport, are they happy with Thorpe? They seem to have enough good players & youngsters to improve. Does that make him safe? Or happy to stay?

So we could be seeing any number of new coaches.

Anyway, food for thought.
 

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Just to change the subject a little, perhaps its time to look at the coaching situation for 2017.
We have 2 coaches gone at this stage. Do we have any other clubs looking at a change, forced or otherwise?
NL& Kingston Tigers are the first 2 clubs that will be looking from now.
What about the other clubs?
Clarence have had no success with short term coaches. Will Webberley get the gig longer term?
Lauderdale have not improved. It'll be a miracle if the do much in the finals. They do look stale. Will they make a change?
At NHCFC, Richter has done a good job developing the bunch of kids he started the season with. He appears safe.
Launceston will no doubt have last years appointed coach resume services once the Essendon drug suspension is over.
I presume Proctor is safe at Burnie. Is he?
Despite not having won anything yet, the media hype on Cornelius seems to indicate he'll be in the market for a step up. So maybe Glenorchy will be on the hunt.?
Devonport, are they happy with Thorpe? They seem to have enough good players & youngsters to improve. Does that make him safe? Or happy to stay?

So we could be seeing any number of new coaches.

Anyway, food for thought.
The Tigers may benefit by appointing a new coach although Henley has done an ok job in the circumstances. They need a few experienced recruits to lift them up the ladder no matter who the coach is but they have had a bad run with injuries this year. Whoever takes over at North Launceston will have big shoes to fill and it remains to be seen whether they will go for another local or an import. My thoughts would be leaning towards a local. Clarence may go with Webberley but I assume he will be playing next year and being a playing coach at this level is difficult so maybe they will look for a non playing coach. Webberley has the benefit of his AFL experience so would still be a good choice. Winter has been at Lauderdale a long time now and while I think he has done a pretty good job Lauderdale seem stuck around the mid range in the pecking order so maybe there could be a change there. Richter should stick around at Hobart City next year and reap the rewards of his efforts this year as I think Hobart City will play finals next year. Lonergan seems certain to coach Launceston and will be a good acquisition for them. I have been hearing for a while now that Thorpe wont be at Devonport next year but that is only hearsay. If he is not at Devonport you would think he would bob up somewhere else at TSL level unless he leaves the state as he is still a very good player/coach option. He brought quite a few players with him to Devonport and if he is not there you would have to wonder if the players he brought there will be either. Clint Proctor has done a great job at Burnie and I think he will be there for another couple of years yet. He has done a lot of work fostering good relationships with clubs in Burnie's area which bodes well for the future. Finally Cornelius has done very well at Glenorchy and could pick up a similar type of job that Littlejohn has got but if Glenorchy don't win the flag this year he may be tempted to have another try next year.
 
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