Generation Y

[The Cranium]

Lol, like bullying and vandalism are specific to this generation?

Bullying has always been at schools and the work place, moreso I was alluding to just belting someone for the hell of it or just plain general public affray....

Gone are the days when your local copper came round and gave you a flogging for ****ing around...

 

[Call Me Cake]

Gone are the days when your local copper came round and gave you a flogging for ****ing around...

My cousin was beaten up by 3 cops & he's only 16.

If anything, cops have more leverage nowadays. Kids are getting shot, left right & centre & what's their explanation?... resisting arrest?

Gangs, drug dealing, vandalism & alcahol abuse have have existed pre Gen-Y, it's nothing new when it comes to youth.

 

[Docker Clint]

Bad Points:
-Many are self obsessed (may just be because we're young though)
-Want everything without doing work
-Selfish

Good Points:
-Many have very good manners
-Least racist/sexist of all generations
-More open minded than other generations

Funny, they said that about Gen X. Meh.

 

[Call Me Cake]

I worked 24 hours a week, it was hard to juggle the two, school and work, but it wasn't about entitlement, it was about the freedom to make my own choices as I money to pay for my own holidays or whatever else I needed. Simply, from year 8, I had to do this or I would of got squat from my parents, there rule and in the end, I benefited from the experience..

24 hours a week?

I call bullshit.

Did you drop out in year 8 too?

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I'm no fan of the emo genre, but maybe some of you should look in the mirror?

What some of you BB/Gen-X'ers fail to realize is youth have always been experimental & expressive no matter the generation.

It's only because of the internet, which causes the current trend to expand into widespread knowlege that you become ignorant of your past.

That's what's wrong with you muppets.

I rest my case.

So your argument against Gen x'ers making generalisations and assumptions is to make some of your own?

 

[Call Me Cake]

So your argument against Gen x'ers making generalisations and assumptions is to make some of your own?

No, did you not read the posts correctly? - I suggest you do.

The generalisations & assumptions I was replying to were invalid, which is why I used the same approach to expose this.

Think Hard Ball, think.

However my point in youth being "experimental & expressive no matter the generation" still stands, which was something J-Train & Vealesy chose to ignore. Hence the images.

 

[MrKips]

Hey Cake,

You are displaying the exact traits that many people dislike about gen yers. The arrogance, the disrespect, this notion that you are always right and everyone else is wrong, the over confidence for no real reason, the ability to not handle criticism even constructive criticism, the way you have turned everything upside down to suit your selfish ways and the list goes on.

You have displayed many of those traits in an amusing ironic kind of way.

I can't fathom why gen yers can't handle criticism? I had a 23 year old junior working for me and this guy who could not handle any criticism i gave him. In his mind my 25 years of experience was useless compared to his 2 years of experience. Not only that he thought he did not deserve to be a junior and wanted to be put on a senior wage. Their lack of respect is just mind boggling. A lot of these gen yers see respect as a one way street..they want as much respect but think it's there god dam right to not give any back.

But my biggest gripe with this generation is not the teenagers - far from it as we all thought we were the smartest generation at that age, it happens. No my gripe is with 25 year olds from this group who still act and think like they are still at school. Heck even 30 year olds acting like kids and being more concerned what their peers will say about what they wear or are into etc. This is my biggest gripe from the gen yers. Their lack of wanting to grow up or even mature!

Also it's sad to see the death of the individual with gen yers. I have noticed that gen yers are scared to venture in the big bad world by themselves. They are terrified of living in a world without the approval of their friends. They are scared of being individuals.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Hey Cake,

You are displaying the exact traits that many people dislike about gen yers. The arrogance, the disrespect, this notion that you are always right and everyone else is wrong, the over confidence for no real reason, the ability to not handle criticism even constructive criticism, the way you have turned everything upside down to suit your selfish ways and the list goes on.

What the hell are you talking about?

All I'm doing is giving my point of view. It's no "conspiracy". I'm not turning anything upside down to suit my "selfish" ways.

What is with your generalisations?... the notion that just because you are older, you are wiser?

I'm no child. I am able to acknowledge my mistakes.

Please enlighten me, why should I respect you?

You have displayed many of those traits in an amusing ironic kind of way.

Excuse me?

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know "wit" was exclusive to the Y generation.

Amusing, ironic kind of way? What are you smoking? - I gave my opinion, is that a crime now?

Does it irk you that I as a Gen-Y'er may have a valid point?

I have yet to see a Gen-X'er agree with their counterpart.

I can't fathom why gen yers can't handle criticism?

What makes you think this?

I can handle criticism, especially since I express it myself. The thing that irks me is, the irony in some of stuff I've replied to. The ignorance when it comes to youth of all generations. The hypo criticism.

When you make a point, don't let it come back to bite you on the ass. Simple as that.

Also it's sad to see the death of the individual with gen yers. I have noticed that gen yers are scared to venture in the big bad world by themselves. They are terrified of living in a world without the approval of their friends. They are scared of being individuals.

How the hell did you conjure up this?

Society today is different, and buying a house isn't as easy as it used to be. This "big bad world" you speak of, isn't so bad when it comes to the approval of friends, as you claim. It's to do with the financial situation of the world today.

In fact, I would believe the "the individual" is getting higher by the day. Gen-X'ers lived to work, whereas Gen-Y'ers are working to live, and I don't see that as a bad thing at all.

You are less likely to fail later on in life if you take the necessary precautions. People are living longer these days, why the rush? - after all, it's people like you who criticise Gen-Y'ers as having no patience.

I haven't been making generalizations here, and it isn't my point to do so. What my gripe is, claiming something & not realizing whether or not you're guilty of it too.

Gen-X doesn’t have a halo on it's head either, when it comes to youth.

 

[MrKips]

oh my cake you have just proved all my points right, as much as you feel they are all wrong. Look at effort you have gone to to dispell my thoughts and opinions as rubbish and yours as facts and proper.

Again you are displaying those same traits that the majority of people hate about your piss weak generation, its so amusing to watch you gte so fired up and upset.

I will take your stand and say i couldnt care less what you have to say. Why should i respect what a snotty little teenager who thinks he is so far ahead of everyone thinks?

 

[MrKips]

oh btw we don't need some smartarse thinks he knows it all pissweak gen yer telling us that teenagers have always been the same in attitude and how the older geenrations react to them. We know this has always happened.

The problem is that gen yers honestly think they are above and beyond anything past generations have achieved or set out to achieve. The other day i heard about the latest craze to hit gen yers in these hard times - holding dinner parties..like its a new thing and they were the ones to come up with this crazy idea of holding little parties where you and a select group of friends can sit around eating good food and chatting. What a fresh and unique idea! Those gen yers are real forward thinkers arnt they!

As i said i can accept all this from teenagers but not from thoose in their mid to late 20s.

 

[Call Me Cake]

you have just proved all my points right, as much as you feel they are all wrong.

And you claim I can't take criticism or accept that I'm wrong?

It seems to me that you think you know it all youreself. No matter how many times someone may challange your opinion.

oh btw we don't need some smartarse thinks he knows it all pissweak gen yer

And you call me disrespectful & arrogant?

The problem is that gen yers honestly think they are above and beyond anything past generations have achieved or set out to achieve.

Source, please?

Oh wait. It's just another generalisation.

TBH, you sound more like a "know-it all" than I do. And what's your excuse?... you've lived longer than I have?

Give me a break. It's not the amount of time you've been on this world, it's what you've chosen to do with it. Clearly, you've been living under a rock for the past 40 years or so.

As i said i can accept all this from teenagers but not from thoose in their mid to late 20s.

AFAIK I was talking about Youth.

Youth in general refers to those who are between the ages of 15 to 26. So, I have no idea how your point relates to mine.

 

[MrKips]

oh dear look at him go.

 

[MrKips]

Youth is catagorised by the age span of 13 to 26. So, I have no idea how your point relates to mine.

LOL who made this up my precious little gen yer? Was it a marketing firm? LOL

If you think a 25 year old is still in his youth then this is where the problem lies. Someone who is 25 should not be considered as youth. They are essentially an adult.

What next 35 year olds are the new young adults? How ironic that gen yers have now decided that you are still a teenager/youth up to the age of 26..how convenient..means they dont have to grow up yeah? like whatever major loser! (i heard this from a youth who was 24 the other week)

Last time i worked for an advertising agency youth was categorised as 13-18.

You seriously think you underdtand a lot with your wording etc but are so removed from the realities and hence why most gen yers cannot be tolerated.

 

[Call Me Cake]

oh dear look at him go.

I see you've joined BigFooty today, and created your first post in this thread.

Why did you bother?

 

[MushroomRocket]

generations are made up and poorly at that.

"gen y" has so many subcultures its too long to list.

 

[Call Me Cake]

If you think a 25 year old is still in his youth then this is where the problem lies. Someone who is 25 should not be considered as youth. They are essentially an adult.

You need to learn what "Youth" means. Ever thought of taking Sociology in school? The terms "Child" & "Adult" are probably less complex for you to understand instead, I guess.

FFS you sound like my little brother.

Last time i worked for an advertising agency youth was categorised as 13-18.

What does an advertising agency have to do with the definition of "Youth", which mind you, existed prior to Generation Y?

What advertising agency did you work for by the way, just out of curiousity? - I have no idea why someone would hire an arrogant old fart who says "LOL" like a 12 year old kid?

LOL who made this up my precious little gen yer? Was it a marketing firm? LOL

Have you ever considered acting your age?

As for the definition, it's relative as I've said "generally", yet similar as well. As for the source (something you fail to provide) - have a good read. Oh yeah, and go back to school, take up Sociology & enjoy yourself.

From the United Nations itself. If you want to know more, read further into it.

http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unyin/qanda.htm

Q - What does the UN mean by "youth," and how does this definition differ from that given to children?

A- The United Nations, for statistical purposes, defines ‘youth’, as those persons between the ages of 15 and 24 years, without prejudice to other definitions by Member States. This definition was made during preparations for the International Youth Year (1985), and endorsed by the General Assembly (see A/36/215 and resolution 36/28, 1981). All United Nations statistics on youth are based on this definition, as illustrated by the annual yearbooks of statistics published by the United Nations system on demography, education, employment and health.

Within the category of "youth", it is also important to distinguish between teenagers (13-19) and young adults (20-24), since the sociological, psychological and health problems they face may differ.

Also it's worth noting that "Kids Helpline" which is a loose term, caters specifically for children, teens & young adults (All who happen to be youth) aged between 5 and 25.

Again, the term "Youth" is something you should really look into before you start acting like you know everything, only to make yourself look like an uneducated fool in the end. Just sayin'.

 

[MrKips]

Clearly arguing with you is a lesson on how to waste time argueing with someone who won't respect your point of view no matter what.

I find it the irony in all your posts so delicious..and i am stopping myself from replying in a manner that forces you to behave in the same exact manner that we have mentioned about gen yers.

Look at your posts, they are so condescending in the "i know better" mould and thats the exact trait we are all disliking about your generation.

yet you can't help yourself but to display the same behavioural traits.

its soo ****en amusing watching it happen!

 

[Call Me Cake]

Clearly arguing with you is a lesson on how to waste time argueing with someone who won't respect your point of view no matter what.

I find it the irony in all your posts so delicious..and i am stopping myself from replying in a manner that forces you to behave in the same exact manner that we have mentioned about gen yers.

Look at your posts, they are so condescending in the "i know better" mould and thats the exact trait we are all disliking about your generation.

yet you can't help yourself but to display the same behavioural traits.

its soo ****en amusing watching it happen!

Oh the irony.

 

[MrKips]

I see you've joined BigFooty today, and created your first post in this thread.

Why did you bother?

And what is exactly the problem? Had it not occurred to you that maybe i have had enough of the stupidity you have tried to argue?

You just don't want to accept that your generation is just shit and like most of your generation you can't handle criticism. But i don't blame you i blame your parents for not having the courage to parent you in the proper way and for pampering to your demands all the time and for not having the courage to say NO and to explain what the word means.

 

[Rosstickle]

What is with your generalisations?... the notion that just because you are older, you are wiser?

Here's another generalisation, older people are generally wiser. Wisdom is something that comes from life experience. Sure he may be living under a rock and you may be some super insightful genius, but in most cases older people are wiser. It's the fact that many gen-yer's think they are just as wise as their elders when in fact both overall and at the highest level, they are not.

Society today is different, and buying a house isn't as easy as it used to be. This "big bad world" you speak of, isn't so bad when it comes to the approval of friends, as you claim. It's to do with the financial situation of the world today.

Here's exactly what he was talking about. Society is different today to what it was. Correct. But you weren't around to see it back then. How would you really know. It's the fact so many Gen-Yer's think they can tell their elders about things they never experienced. This is what shits the elder generations, the know it all attitude many gen-yer's have.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Here's another generalisation, older people are generally wiser. Wisdom is something that comes from life experience. Sure he may be living under a rock and you may be some super insightful genius, but in most cases older people are wiser. It's the fact that many gen-yer's think they are just as wise as their elders when in fact both overall and at the highest level, they are not.

Wisdom is relative.

I may have lived for 30 years, but who is to say my said "experience" has any bearing on the world today?

I may be wise when it comes to responsibility & maturity, but that does not mean I know everything, or the fact that someone younger cannot prove me wrong or pick at my faults.

You see, what I've learned 30 years ago, may be outdated to what youth are being/have been taught today.

Wisdom is something you have to earn; it isn't given to you through time.

Intelligence is however, another issue. Which is something I probably should have brought up a while ago now that I think of it.

Here's exactly what he was talking about. Society is different today to what it was. Correct. But you weren't around to see it back then. How would you really know. It's the fact so many Gen-Yer's think they can tell their elders about things they never experienced. This is what shits the elder generations, the know it all attitude many gen-yer's have.

AFAIK, he hasn't challenged this specific quote before, you are the first. I do see what you mean though, but I don't think it's just that simple.

Let me explain...

I am youth. I am a part of it today. These experiences are yet to happen, I am practically living the Gen-Y lifestyle as it happens.

Whereas Youth from the BB Generation & the X-Generation have all been well documented. I am able to study these generations in Sociology, look them up & compare them to my situation. Sure, I may take a Gen-X'ers opinion on it too, but I wouldn't hold it to extreme regard.

I am able to use the technology that I have today to research the transition of the basic standards of life throughout each generation in the past & compare it to the present. Gen-Y'ers are currently experiencing these standards of life, as it's happening (it hasn't ended) & they are pretty much in a good position to judge the differences that may arise.

To say that Gen-X'ers understand what it feels like to be Youth & face the countering problems & difficulties in the current, ongoing Y generation, is ludicrous when you follow it up with the notion that Youth today are unable to research history.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Wisdom is something you have to earn; it isn't given to you through time.

Exactly.
You earn it over time.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Exactly.
You earn it over time.

That's if you use your time wisely.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

That's if you use your time wisely.

Ok so you agree wisdom is acquired over time but only if you use your time wisely....

However in order to use time wisely that would require you to have some kind of wisdom.

So you are saying in order to gain wisdom you need wisdom. This wisdom is gained over time through the wise usage of this time.

I'm confused.

 

[Call Me Cake]

Ok so you agree wisdom is acquired over time but only if you use your time wisely....

However in order to use time wisely that would require you to have some kind of wisdom.

So you are saying in order to gain wisdom you need wisdom. This wisdom is gained over time through the wise usage of this time.

I'm confused.

I have never said wisdom isn't earned over time. I said that time itself isn't the only experience you need to call yourself wiser than those who come after you.

Everyone possesses some sort of wisdom from the beginning, that's common sense. But who is to say this wisdom is valid, or proceeds all others? - it's relative because not everyone, over time, specialises in every single situation which may arise on this world, whether it be in the future or the past.

What I mean by using time wisely, is that you need to observe time as it goes on. Just because you happen to be 45 years old, does that mean you have experienced the lifestyle of a soldier?... studied Sociology, or Psychology for that matter?... lived in a troubled home? - been involved in a car accident?

Maturity, ethics of life, manners, ect; are all a given when it comes to age, but that does not mean you are more experienced in every single matter at present or the past. Which is something most Gen-X'ers seem to assume today.

It isn't that hard to fathom, and you don't need to play games in doing so.

If you are still confused, then maybe this conversation isn't for you.