Gentlemanly discussion on the coaching future of Adam Simpson

When do we replace Simpson?

  • End of 2017

  • End of 2018

  • ASAP

  • Extend his contract


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Even though it would not bother me if Simmo was replaced the fact remains that some of you think getting a Clarkson or the like would change things simply.
To much faith is still being put in the players, they are a very average list with an even more average attitude. How will a new coach change who they are as people?
A Clarkson would delist 50% of our list simply because they can't kick, he would not tolerate bad skills not even from the younger players.
Yes maybe this is what we need but I just don't see it happening from our club, we are making heaps of money and everything looks ok from the boardroom.
 
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Gold Coast sacking McKenna was one of the dumbest moves ever made. If Gaz hadn't done that shoulder they'd of played finals, Bluey would still be coach, Matt Priddis wouldn't be a Brownlow medalist and we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

Brisbane looks like they've landed the right coach now. Gold Coast might get lucky on their next one too.

The interesting thing about West Coast and Simpson though is that Woosha wasn't sacked, he raised the white flag and basically conceded that turning this core group of players into a Premiership side was beyond his capability as an elite leader and manager of men. Which despite being an absolute inditement on the senior players that has since proven to be entirely justified, meant that the circumstances Adam Simpson found himself in coming into the club were extremely unique. Usually a coach comes in and is starting fresh with a club that has probably just hit rock bottom. He's not just a breath of fresh air his vision and leadership and ability are things the club desperately needs, he's the most important man in the organisation by a long way at that point and that is something coaches thrive on. It wasn't really the case when Simpson took over. The Eagles had missed finals in 2013 but gone deep in 2011/12 and were ready to go straight back into the 8. He wasn't really hired to do anything but tweak an outfit that was up and running.

Woosha pretty much created a spontaneous handover scenario, more like the situation Buckley, Longmire, Goodwin found themselves in except Simpson wasn't on the inside and didn't have the advantage of intimate knowledge of the playing group as at Collingwood, Sydney, Melbourne. Consequently everyone got a clean slate under Simpson and he's wasted 4 years discovering the same things about the same players that Worsfold knew were beyond any coaches ability to change as far back as 2012.
Interesting comments. Similar to what Gerard said on 360. He stated that this may be the game/season that actually give Simpson the ammo to 'take charge' and implement sweeping changes of his own accord. Food for thought
 

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Interesting comments. Similar to what Gerard said on 360. He stated that this may be the game/season that actually give Simpson the ammo to 'take charge' and implement sweeping changes of his own accord. Food for thought
So has Simmo been held back from making the changes he really wants because the likes of Priddis and Lecca appear on Cereal packets and lunch boxes and are part of the Eagles economic franchise machine? You look at the recruiting of Mitchell and the coverage he gets in the Vic media and fox footy interludes before ad-breaks etc it almost seems like it was as much a marketing move as a football move. Or did Simmo actually believe we were gonna fight for the flag this year??
 

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The previous half decade featured 2 preliminary final appearances. I would kill for that level of mediocrity at the moment.

We look miles off
Did it? We made a PF in 2011 when we jagged 4th and got belted by both Pies and Cats (and fell over the line v Blues at home).

What year was the other PF?

We were outside the 8 in 09,10,13. 12 we lost in a semi and 14 we were 9th.

So 2 final series in 6 years for a 2-3 record with no road final wins.

We sucked. I'm sure we suck now also and better degrees of suckage aren't all that exciting. :)
 
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Not sure it's wasted. Fair point though.

Surely if you make the gf in your second year and 5tt (?) on the ladder the next year... you are bound to think you are there or there abouts?
But were we? That was debateable in 2015, sure. But the season was based on a decent draw and a unique game plan that stood up. It was badly exposed in the GF and the risk was it was a party trick that had been worked out.

That has proved true.

Last year was horrible. But a late surge created some excitement at the end of the year. We at least had to work out about half way through last year that we couldn't win a flag with this group.

The risk of being ok is that you are always "close" and that can lead to a short term focus, which is fine if you really are close but it appears we really weren't. Those in the club are paid to be able to read the tea leaves better than they have done.
 

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But were we? That was debateable in 2015, sure. But the season was based on a decent draw and a unique game plan that stood up. It was badly exposed in the GF and the risk was it was a party trick that had been worked out.

That has proved true.

Last year was horrible. But a late surge created some excitement at the end of the year. We at least had to work out about half way through last year that we couldn't win a flag with this group.

The risk of being ok is that you are always "close" and that can lead to a short term focus, which is fine if you really are close but it appears we really weren't. Those in the club are paid to be able to read the tea leaves better than they have done.
2012 was a semi. I stand corrected
 

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What did he say, I just see a blank post that just says "surely this idiot is talking out of his arse."?
Ricky Nixon posted this on FB
Who got the right Mitchell ???

If my mail is correct it would seem WCE are a divided Club over the arrogance of a former Hawk Premiership star who has to do it his way all the time - from what I hear he hasn't endeared himself to many which is one of the reasons young Hawks did cartwheels when he left
 

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surely this idiot is talking out of his arse.
Wouldn't surprise me if it's true with this bunch of absolute marshmallows. Probably getting their knickers in a knot because Mitchell's actually trying to provide some leadership. "What do mean Sam, you want us to try harder?!?"
 

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Teams like Carlton and Brisbane, whilst being bottom 4 teams - due to a rebuild - show more fight and intent than WC. We are very much a bruise free sort of team full of nice guys.

I want to see more campaigner in the team. The kind of guy that I wouldn't trust with my sister - maybe make that your sister. Instead, our guys are more likely to be giving her hair and makeup tips.
 

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I want to put it out there as a big critic of the mercenaries pulling on our jumper these days, Simmo could be John Kennedy Snr and even he couldn't get this pack of Y gen'rs to accept responsibility for their insipid efforts. We have a pack of "Rock up to get Paid" introverts who don't like to get dirty nor hurt, players like SPP don't fit the hipster types we want to be the image of our club after the naughty's drug fiasco and you all better get used to WCE being mediocre for a long time to come.
 
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