Gentlemanly discussion on the coaching future of Adam Simpson

When do we replace Simpson?

  • End of 2017

  • End of 2018

  • ASAP

  • Extend his contract


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Moose1414

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Simmo appears a good sort of guy. Who places too much trust into his senior core group because he's a young Coach with a young group of assistants..

I would give till the end of 2018 though to see if he can make the changes to his 22 and turn this team around ..

I feel he is trying to inject youth without upsetting his trusted senior group of players some of whom are past it or a shadow of there best games ..
I'm open to him coaching in 2018 but it really depends on what happens in the next 5 weeks. We're at a point now where the club is well and truly under the magnifying glass. 5 games to go. Its a lot of games really, we're going to find out everything we need to know about Simpson as a coach and the state of the club in that time. If he makes some tough calls on under performing players and the team put up some encouraging efforts then you could say yep there's something there. He's just as likely to double down though, snipe back at David King in a mid week presser and play Le Cras in every game for the rest of the season, re-call Masten, Hill and just generally do the things he's been doing the last 2 years that haven't worked. If he goes one way, you back him in. If he goes the other, you could probably guess that 2018 is going to be more of the same and the smart thing to do would be pay him out and find a new coach. Balls in his court really, hopefully he feels he's coaching for his future because we really need him to be thinking that way to have any chance of resurrecting this season.
 

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I have thought for a long time now we have got the worst kids in the league. Basically because we dont play kids. Hobestly when was the last time we had a rising star nominee let alone even chat about our youngsters??

Every team I have watched over the last 2 years have brilliant kids coming through and I just watch thinking "we're dead in a couple of years!"
That time is now... we are stuffed for not blooding kids so I am preparing for years of pain.

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By what criteria do people think Simpson keeps his job? Without his ineptitude we are sitting 4th right now not 9th. Horrendous team selections, players out of position, that circa 2015 game plan, idiot setups around set pieces.. and don't even get me stated about what he's doing to the future of our squad. While we can argue we've underperformed given the current talent in the squad in a couple of years I fear we'll be looking back at this shit show as the good old days.
I don't know - the two years left on his contract? The grand final he made less than 2 years ago?

I know people are impatient and have every right to be unhappy with how things are going, but let's keep things rooted in reality....
 
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I thought EP were terrible last year.Jamie Graeme cant coach.Why did we have such an inexperienced guy coaching our next wave.Not the whole problem just another cog in a badly warped machine.We wait till the kids dominate at WAFL before we play them in the 1s.As Clarko says at Hawthorn; play them because you dont know just who will thrive on the challenge and take the next step in their stride.We leave them at EP to get broken.Playing mug footy will often turn you into a mug.
 

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By what criteria do people think Simpson keeps his job? Without his ineptitude we are sitting 4th right now not 9th. Horrendous team selections, players out of position, that circa 2015 game plan, idiot setups around set pieces.. and don't even get me stated about what he's doing to the future of our squad. While we can argue we've underperformed given the current talent in the squad in a couple of years I fear we'll be looking back at this shit show as the good old days.
I have us equal top with 13 wins right now if Simpson addressed these issues last year and early this year.

3 home wins, Melbourne, port and gws and Collingwood.
That's not including gold coast.

It's massive difference. Brining back priddis Lecras etc after we beat the dogs away was inexplicable.

You don't change a winning team. All sorts of things happen to players mentalities after they perform well and are overlooked.

If it was me I would be explaining to Simpson that he had 5 games to make a statement otherwise it was over. And it's not based on wins either.
Make the necessary changes or leave.
 
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I don't know - the two years left on his contract? The grand final he made less than 2 years ago?

I know people are impatient and have every right to be unhappy with how things are going, but let's keep things rooted in reality....
Its the next step after the GF that was the problem.He just seemed to think the same group of players would automatically take the next step.Any one with half a brain [ big footy scribes ] knew changes had to be made.The GF replay only reinforced that.
 

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I'm open to him coaching in 2018 but it really depends on what happens in the next 5 weeks. We're at a point now where the club is well and truly under the magnifying glass. 5 games to go. Its a lot of games really, we're going to find out everything we need to know about Simpson as a coach and the state of the club in that time. If he makes some tough calls on under performing players and the team put up some encouraging efforts then you could say yep there's something there. He's just as likely to double down though, snipe back at David King in a mid week presser and play Le Cras in every game for the rest of the season, re-call Masten, Hill and just generally do the things he's been doing the last 2 years that haven't worked. If he goes one way, you back him in. If he goes the other, you could probably guess that 2018 is going to be more of the same and the smart thing to do would be pay him out and find a new coach. Balls in his court really, hopefully he feels he's coaching for his future because we really need him to be thinking that way to have any chance of resurrecting this season.
These last 5 games Simmo would appear to be in a Catch22 position does he play his best team and try to win at least 4 games or write off the season and inject more youth ..

He will be critised either way I think ..
 

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I have thought for a long time now we have got the worst kids in the league. Basically because we dont play kids. Hobestly when was the last time we had a rising star nominee let alone even chat about our youngsters??
Barrass in the final round of last year.

Before that it was Sheed who was nominated in round 15 2015 and finished up 3rd behind Hogan and Cripps.

Before that it was Cousins in 1996.
 
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Its the next step after the GF that was the problem.He just seemed to think the same group of players would automatically take the next step.Any one with half a brain [ big footy scribes ] knew changes had to be made.The GF replay only reinforced that.
My point is it would be an extremely bold, and expensive, move to sack him now.
 

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These last 5 games Simmo would appear to be in a Catch22 position does he play his best team and try to win at least 4 games or write off the season and inject more youth ..

He will be critised either way I think ..
That's why I said he was justified in chasing finals where we would've consolidated with a win over the Pies and been a game of 2nd. I think we are out of touch now. There's a mathematical chance and Simmo says he hasn't crunched the numbers, but do we want another year of throwing everything at trying to scrape in and hoping other results fall our way?

I would hope he has at least learned he cannot rely on this squad in their current frame of mind to compete in finals where our deficiencies will be profoundly exposed.
 
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My point is it would be an extremely bold, and expensive, move to sack him now.
True! But i dont necessarily think he needs to go.But the whole club needs a kick in the guts.Recruiting,Match Com,and most definitely the assissant coaches need a huge gee up.I think we need more experience and a couple of blokes with a harder edge.We should sell the farm and throw the proceeds at Hodge.Does anyone know if hes committed anywhere next year??
 
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Do you want to see this shit continue when we start playing at the new stadium?

New stadium + new coach = new appetite for success.
I actually haven't offered an opinion either way. My point is that it is extremely unlikely to happen - some are acting like it's a likely option (or even a foregone conclusion)
 

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For me there are so many coaching non negotiable fundamentals that our players don't adhear to and get away with: example our players hardly ever block or Shepard team mates they run along aside or in front screaming for the ball .... wanting the glory stuff.... Rather than taking out the opppsition player ....Yes Cripps , Le Cras and Wellingham I am talking to you ... But your not alone .. Just do it more often.
We honestly must be bottom 4 for 1%ers. Shepherd isn't even in these guy's vocabulary. Even our captain failed to do so resulting in the goal which finished us off. Veterans failing to do the basics has to reflect poorly on the coaching stuff. Either our players are terrible at following instructions, are refusing to follow instructions, or for some reasons our coaches are telling to play this shitty bruise free corral instead of tackle footy. None of those reflect well on the coaches.
 

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Its the next step after the GF that was the problem.He just seemed to think the same group of players would automatically take the next step.Any one with half a brain [ big footy scribes ] knew changes had to be made.The GF replay only reinforced that.
It's dawned on me last night with no real ideA only a theory that in 2015 Simmo provided the Web game plan and Don Pyke provided the intent/motivation for the players ..
Why because 2016 even though we made finals there was obviously something missing ..
 
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Given his contract status it is unlikely Simmo will be shown the door any time soon. However, the rumblings next year will become a roar unless the club gets some direction on the field. We seem to be heading nowhere with a bad game plan/style and players that don't cut it (which isn't all on Simmo). Personally, I would like him to be given the chance to turn it around but I do want to see serious changes to personnel being played (or more specifically not played) and a game plan of contested, hard at the footy and man football. If the changes aren't made, then Simmo will lose me but he hasn't lost me yet (as frustrated as I am), as I am not sure it would be that much different with another unnamed coach with our admin and the players we have. I also think our recruiting and development departments need a serious overhaul.
 

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Here's a breakdown of guys under 26 that Simmo has to work with that have either had a game, or could/should be in line for a game.

In three years all these guys on the list will still be under 30. Could really replace Hutchings with Waterman in that side.

I think we still have a fair bit to work with in that squad, we just need to see them at the top level to see who we need to cut and replace them.

Nic Nat, Shuey and Jetta could also still be around in three years to slot in

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Sacking a bloke who took our team from the bottom 8 to a grand final in two years is premature in my opinion. We've hit a roadblock. Our midfield has been severely exposed this year, but with due respect Simpson has had to coach the year missing his most important player - and arguably any club's most important player. We can see NN just "papers over the cracks" and hides the real issues in this regard, but ultimately it has to be remembered that he is a player who goes out there and makes our team way better, and makes many players more effective. With him in the team, we play better.

Simpson has also had to deal with not having our star full forward for a number of crucial weeks, which arguably have cost us a game or two - in my view it cost us the GWS game, where we faded late without our big target up forward.

These are not excuses I am making for him, but rather to say he's encountered some pretty serious and unusual encumbrances this year which I think he is capable of working through and, given what he has done for us in his ~4 years as coach, the fans owe it to him to give him the chance to work through it.
 

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It's dawned on me last night with no real ideA only a theory that in 2015 Simmo provided the Web game plan and Don Pyke provided the intent/motivation for the players ..
Why because 2016 even though we made finals there was obviously something missing ..
We beat three top 4 teams in a row at the end of 2016 - it that isn't hot form leading into the pointy end I don't know what is. There was nothing missing. We just happened to run into an eventual premier that lifted another couple of notches at the right time.

Simmo I think is a good coach - but our playing group is mentally soft.
 

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These last 5 games Simmo would appear to be in a Catch22 position does he play his best team and try to win at least 4 games or write off the season and inject more youth ..

He will be critised either way I think ..
I think the catch 22 works in the reverse, Simpson is playing blokes on reputation over what they are actually bringing to the team and thats costing us wins. I'm of the opinion that the best team we can field is the team with one or 2 less senior players and 1 or 2 more 20-22 years olds. There's a difference between youth and 21/22 year olds who just don't have many AFL games under their belts. These aren't kids, they've been at the clubs a number of years. Its not about tanking and putting games into last years draftee's like Rotham or something. The younger players are generally working harder, attacking the game with more intent. We look better when they are in the side. Your not going to lose a game because you play Karpany instead of Hill or Le Cras or Cripps, he's the same 2 goal small forward. You inject significant enthusiasm though, you're getting a player who in the 4th qtr when the legs are tired still wants to make sure he's doing enough to hold his spot.
 

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When I watched the NM coach give it to one of his players on the bench that to me is what Simpson lacks,guts to pull up players and give them a serve,then maybe others will put in a little more effort in the fear they may be next!! he is too soft of a coach and the players know that
 
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