Gentlemanly discussion on the coaching future of Adam Simpson

When do we replace Simpson?

  • End of 2017

  • End of 2018

  • ASAP

  • Extend his contract


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...have every right to be unhappy with how things are going, but let's keep things rooted in reality....
Fact is Simpson in 2017 is delivering one of the all time worst coaching performances, on par with Voss at Brisbane and Buckley at Collingwood.

Reality is;

- We are ninth instead of top 4 as a direct result of his team selection and game plan, because he continues to play players out of position
- Oldest list and blooded 1 player - worst in the league
- Made one change to our disgraceful midfield, a 35y/o recruit from Hawthorn who is now our best performed mid this year (yikes!!).
- Rests him in the most important game of the season, at a venue he's played half his career, against a team he's made his bitch.
- Moves Yeo, a super quick AA form defender to half forward to accommodate Duggan and Cole creates a spectacular lose, lose, lose scenario
- gave up a first rounder for Redden
- extended Priddis contract when even a fan like me can see he's cooked
- compounds our lack of speed by playing way too tall, does nothing about it week after week after week even though the only success he's had as coach in 2015 was when forced to play a small quick defence .
-when injuries force midfield changes the team responds with one of our best performance of the year against the Dogs. Immediately reverts back the week after.
-Against Geelong we finally go man on man and amp up the physical pressure.. revert back to zones and corralling thereafter
-been run over in 4th quarters time and time again.
-his players aren't playing for him
 
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When I watched the NM coach give it to one of his players on the bench that to me is what Simpson lacks,guts to pull up players and give them a serve,then maybe others will put in a little more effort in the fear they may be next!! he is too soft of a coach and the players know that
That's a good point. We should get in Brad Scott's ear and see if he's interested in a mentoring role for Simmo - can never have too much North alumni.
 

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Fact is Simpson in delivering one of the all time worst coaching performances, on par with Voss at Brisbane and Buckley at Collingwood.

Reality is;

- We are ninth instead of top 4 as a direct result of his team selection and game plan, because he continues to play players out of position
The reality is we're 9th instead of top 4 as a direct result of coughing up final quarter leads in time on in at least four games - Collingwood, Melbourne, GWS and Gold Coast. Win those four and we'd be in the top two. If that's because the players are being instructed to hold up play and play to save the game in final quarters then it's a fair criticism, but the selection and game plan has had us in positions to win most games this year.

- Oldest list and blooded 1 player - worst in the league
Yep, fair criticism, though if we win even two of those four games we're top four and it becomes much less of an issue.
- Made one change to our disgraceful midfield, a 35y/o recruit from Hawthorn who is now our best performed mid this year (yikes!!).
Not sure what other changes you think should've been made, especially since you go on to criticize the move of Yeo into the middle. It wasn't like we could've just gone out and grabbed an A grade mid in the trade period.
- Rests him in the most important game of the season, in a avenue he's played half his career against a team he's made his bitch.
We should've won that game without Mitchell.

- Moves Yeo, a super quick AA form defender to half forward to accommodate Duggan and Cole creates a spectacular lose, lose, lose scenario
Yeo was moved into the midfield earlier in the season, starting with the home game against the Bulldogs to run with Bont. He's playing midfield and forward. Duggan didn't move back for weeks and Cole has only played a handful of games. They've basically pushed Butler and Wellingham out.
- gave up a first rounder for Redden
Looks like a howler but he's not the list manager or footy GM, those guys deal with trades.
- extended Priddis contract when even a fan like me can see he's cooked
Ditto, he's not the list manager. And for the 497th time it's been widely reported that that was an automatic trigger clause from his last deal 18 months ago and not a decision that was actually made in May/June when it should've been obvious Priddis was cooked.
- compounds our lack of speed by playing way too tall, does nothing about it week after week after week even though the only success he's had as coach in 2015 was when we played a small quick defence.
The only week I thought we've gone in too tall was when we played Lycett, Vardy and Petrie in the same side. Other than that we've had a pretty consistent set up of two (makeshift) rucks, Kennedy and Darling forward and three talls in the backline. The backline's been working well as a unit though I'd like to see it go smaller especially against smaller forward lines. We didn't need Schofield against Collingwood for example - he was generally opposed to Fasolo.
-when injuries force midfield changes the team responds with one of our best performance of the year against the Dogs. Immediately reverts back the week after.
The one midfield change you can complain about that week is Priddis for Redden. Masten got dropped but is that really a huge deal?
-Against Geelong we finally go man on man and amp up the physical pressure.. revert back to zones and corralling thereafter
-been run over in 4th quarters time and time again.
Yep, these are concerns.
-his players aren't playing for him
That's a pretty common statement whenever teams are losing. The players aren't performing, particularly in final quarters. Does that mean they're not playing for the coach? Or are they just not playing that well?
 

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I hope lecras and his mates watches on the couch - King - 'Lecras never to play again'
I suspect Lecras wouldn't be heartbroken.

He'll simply turn to promoting his life after footy, fishing show.

Well at least until he realises that post WC, no one gives a toss about him outside of footy (notwithstanding he has been a wonderful player).
 

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But at the end of the day it's just footy

Shitload more important things in this life.
That may be the case and I agree so many more important things in life than football.

But that still doesn't stop us " sad bastards " :p from spending endless non productive minutes of our lives on this site discussing inane shit for entertainment ! Does it now ?

I am speaking of "us" as a collective as that seems to be the buzz word at the moment ;).
 
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Here's a breakdown of guys under 26 that Simmo has to work with that have either had a game, or could/should be in line for a game.

In three years all these guys on the list will still be under 30. Could really replace Hutchings with Waterman in that side.

I think we still have a fair bit to work with in that squad, we just need to see them at the top level to see who we need to cut and replace them.

Nic Nat, Shuey and Jetta could also still be around in three years to slot in

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I suppose we can always look on the bright side, just need Venables to be a star and a draft that can produce 2 youngsters that can play from year one and then develop into A graders and perhaps land a Hogan/Lobb.

So, our current list of players needs 2 star mids and 2 more genuine A graders and we sure as hell aren't getting that without trading out quality and offoading overpaid stars (which is the answer).
 

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I want to give him some slack and he has been half truthful about where we're at, but his constant defence of senior spuds is a disgrace. They're shit. Priddis, lecras, Mackenzie, masten, Mitchell and Petrie should all have a farewell game


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North Style. 5 weeks from the end of the season! :D
 

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Did you not see Kennedy camped INSIDE the defensive 50 for much of the final 10 minutes? Its been typical of all those loss's. We press our entire team into the defensive half time and time again as though ensuring the ball remains locked in there is a good way to defend a lead? Its bat shit crazy. When we do win possession there's no-one to kick to so we chip sideways, down the wing or backwards while everyone else sprints the length of the ground to try to give options?


No I criticized Yeo to half forward. Yeo driving off the back of the square and delivering to our half forwards is a thing of beauty (which is what I was getting at).


But we lost

Against Collingwood he played in front of the ball in a game we needed him driving from behind it.

Imagine Simpsons surprise when they told him what they had done?
Disagree with you on Yeo, we've gotten plenty of drive off halfback without him in recent weeks thanks to Hurn, Duggan and Sheppard. Where we're breaking down is in the middle.

We should've won on the weekend without Mitchell. Resting a 35 year old veteran who said when he joined the club that he'd need a rest now and then wasn't the difference between winning and losing.

I'm sure Simpson had some input into recruiting Redden but very little if any about how it happened.
 

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Disagree with you on Yeo, we've gotten plenty of drive off halfback without him in recent weeks thanks to Hurn, Duggan and Sheppard. Where we're breaking down is in the middle.

We should've won on the weekend without Mitchell. Resting a 35 year old veteran who said when he joined the club that he'd need a rest now and then wasn't the difference between winning and losing.

I'm sure Simpson had some input into recruiting Redden but very little if any about how it happened.
Bottom line is the coach is four years into his tenure and we are seeing serious regression in all areas. In performance, ladder position, list management and player development. We can argue the minutia that he's got this current list playing at around about its ballpark optimal level but I disagree that he is anywhere near doing that. Besides, winter is coming and at least when we fall in a heap in the coming seasons a new coach will be given enough free air to negotiate what needs to be done. Simpson wont because he'll be rightfully identified as the architect.
 

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For those of you who missed it. min 10 starts to talk about Eagles. Maybe someone can show this to Simmo.

Interesting that the segment starts "what happened to their midfield, this is supposedly one of their strengths". Since when in the last decade has our midfield supposedly been one of our strengths?
 

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Interesting that the segment starts "what happened to their midfield, this is supposedly one of their strengths". Since when in the last decade has our midfield supposedly been one of our strengths?
Because Healy and King especially live off stats. Pridda would get 38 in a game and Healy would be wetting himself, Others would be saying he had zero influence on the game.
 
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