They rarely if ever, lie about it and it can be expected with trauma particularly over time, that memory may be affected.
So how often, hence the onus of proof.
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They rarely if ever, lie about it and it can be expected with trauma particularly over time, that memory may be affected.
So how often, hence the onus of proof.
As a matter of law.
The people though, need to be free to make their own judgements so they can navigate as safely as possible through life.
Most who grew up Ballarat side of Melbourne, know what was going on in the schools and some of us will know someone whose life was lost to substance abuse or suicide. I still can't drive through Ballarat without feeling a sense of sadness.
Many people dont need the onus of proof to decide guilt or innocence. I'm not one.
ha ha that's some weird kind of virtue signalling
If your child came to you and said s/he'd been molested by a priest, you reported it to the police, they laid charges but with not enough proof the priest is acquitted or the charges are dropped, would you send your child back in to the same situation with that priest?
You'd likely have the same level of insight that the parents of those boys have.Indeed I'd believe my child & follow it through. When you are directly involved in anything, you have an insight that we dont have in cases played out in public.
You'd likely have the same level of insight that the parents of those boys have.
Indeed. Sadly kids have been known to lie.
Catholic Church has indicated that it will rely on the Ellis defence in claims against it by father of the person who was allegedly the victim in the Pell case. The Ellis defence can apply to negate actions against it because the church is an unincorporated association and no one can be identified to sue. It's a legal manoeuvre to effectively halt the claim. Laws were changed to prevent this but only for the victim not the parents. Given Pell was freed upon quashing the conviction, it's probably a sensible outcome. Probably makes the claim dead in the water you would say.
FYI.
The Ellis defence:
Catholic Church makes bid to be excused from civil damages claim involving Cardinal George Pell
The Catholic Church has made a bid to be excused from a civil damages claim lodged in the Victorian Supreme Court involving Cardinal George Pell.www.abc.net.au
I struggle to understand how Pell can be said to have created a civil wrong for nervous shock for a parent at finding out about charges if in fact the HC has already decided that the charges shouldn't have been brought because "There was a significant chance he was innocent". Is it simply because the standard of proof differs? so are they trying to prove on balance of probabilities he committed the offence and then it follows that same balance of probabilities he caused the nervous shock.
It is a 'no win, no fee' action?
Father of former choirboy launches civil action against Cardinal George Pell and Catholic Church
Media by the ABC.
Have you got more info on that? I thought members of unincorporated associations are personally liable for the actions of the association.Catholic Church has indicated that it will rely on the Ellis defence in claims against it by father of the person who was allegedly the victim in the Pell case. The Ellis defence can apply to negate actions against it because the church is an unincorporated association and no one can be identified to sue. It's a legal manoeuvre to effectively halt the claim. Laws were changed to prevent this but only for the victim not the parents. Given Pell was freed upon quashing the conviction, it's probably a sensible outcome. Probably makes the claim dead in the water you would say.
At the time of the criminal trial there was talk about Austrac evidence of money transfers to interfere in the outcome.
I question your timing:
'DECEMBER 2018Timeline of Police Investigation of Cardinal Pell
www.bishop-accountability.org
On December 11, a new jury rendered a unanimous verdict of guilty'
Police handed information on claims Vatican sent $1m to Australia in relation to Pell abuse trial
The financial crimes regulator has passed information to police about allegations of money being transferred from the Vatican in relation to the trial of Cardinal George Pell.www.abc.net.auPolice handed information on claims Vatican sent $1m to Australia in relation to George Pell sexual abuse trial
By political reporters Jack Snape and Jade Macmillan
Posted Tue 20 Oct 2020 at 9:40pmTuesday 20 Oct 2020 at 9:40pm, updated Wed 21 Oct 2020 at 12:17am
Austrac is a watchdog reporting unusual bank transfers. There was no mention of when exactly the transfer took place only that it allegedly came from the person nominated to allegedly influence the case to Pell's detriment.
It had long been suspected that enemies of Pell in the Vatican had been behind this, all related to his role investigating allegedly fraudulent activities in the church. I don't know what role the person has. Thank you though for providing those articles. I will look further info it.
Giovanni Beccui was a cardinal who was under investigation for fraud (started by Pell before he was charged) and resigned as a cardinal and has been charged with embezzlement in 2021. This is the link I had thought. If he has transferred funds to Aust it was likely picked up both in Vatican end and Aust end recipient by a witness for nefarious purposes.
I would love to know the name of witness
Working from memory but I recall that one of the two boys had retracted the allegations about Pell. It gave me concern that the allegations hadn't had substance. I will recheck facts
I'd suggest it wasnt raised until after the criminal case.At the time of the criminal trial
I'd suggest it wasnt raised until after the criminal case.
At this point the Austrac story is one of the many allegations tossed about. Chatter.