Unsolved Gerard Ross - Abducted Kent st Rockingham WA 1997

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They don't 'run the cousin's DNA as familial', it's not how it works.

1. They have the killer's/suspect's DNA.
2. They find someone during testing of suspects or people of interest, or whatever, that's a close but not exact DNA match.
3. If it's a close match to the killer's DNA they then check the DNA of close relatives of that person.

I can't think of any reason they'd be checking relatives of your cousin after testing him unless their DNA is on Ciara's body (seemingly as well as his because he touched her on the night, allegedly). None.
Exactly what said, as the newspaper says, they run a familial technique (family) on the DNA from the crime scene.

So for example they my cousins familial against the crime scene sample.
If they run familial technique via a criminal database.
Its not him but its someone in the immediate family.
As opposed to non familial techique prior the evidence room audit which included the Kimono. As soon as familial technique was run on the criminal database.

But in this case neither my cousin or I are on the criminal database.
So while none of our family were on a criminal database, a familial technique would have returned a result.
To assume they would just run an individuals DNA in order to exclude them from DNA on Ciaras body in contemporary technique is nuts. (2015).

The potential for incidential capture in the broader scope is just too tempting.

They were dealing with prime demographic in a time with only 1 million people in Perth. (1996). How many were males between 20 to e0 years of age.

Does anyone know what year DNA was admissiable in WA courts?
 

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So the police ran familial technique through the database as a digital sample.

I cant remember if they use blob technology or binary doubles.

Then the police arrested, did a test, went its not him but its someone in his immediate family.

They then did another test post arrest of another likely candidate who was not on the criminal database.
Bazzzzinga!
 

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Surely there may have been DNA on Gerard out on pine forest?

There were dog hairs. This dog may have been passing but if it matches the perps dog?

So the dog DNA may be inadmissable but if it matches surely further investigation is worthy?
 

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Exactly what said, as the newspaper says, they run a familial technique (family) on the DNA from the crime scene.

So for example they my cousins familial against the crime scene sample.
If they run familial technique via a criminal database.
Its not him but its someone in the immediate family.
As opposed to non familial techique prior the evidence room audit which included the Kimono. As soon as familial technique was run on the criminal database.

But in this case neither my cousin or I are on the criminal database.
So while none of our family were on a criminal database, a familial technique would have returned a result.
To assume they would just run an individuals DNA in order to exclude them from DNA on Ciaras body in contemporary technique is nuts. (2015).

The potential for incidential capture in the broader scope is just too tempting.

They were dealing with prime demographic in a time with only 1 million people in Perth. (1996). How many were males between 20 to e0 years of age.

Does anyone know what year DNA was admissiable in WA courts?
They don't run familial or 'familial technique' on DNA. They certainly don't run 'familial technique' on DNA from any crime scene. If they run your cousin's DNA (the normal and only way) and find it's a close match to the DNA from the crime scene they'll then test his close relatives to see if they can find an exact match. If his DNA isn't close to what they have from the crime scene they won't test his relatives, unless they're separately under suspicion or charged. It's all just testing DNA, the normal way.

"To assume they would just run an individuals DNA in order to exclude them from DNA on Ciaras body in contemporary technique is nuts." - That's exactly what they do and it's the whole point of DNA testing.

Dan, I've studied (as a hobby) inheritance (of genes and DNA) for 25 years and know how it works.
 

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Surely there may have been DNA on Gerard out on pine forest?

There were dog hairs. This dog may have been passing but if it matches the perps dog?

So the dog DNA may be inadmissable but if it matches surely further investigation is worthy?
If the perp's dog was a greyhound or another 'specialised' breed where the dogs are DNA tested then that might have some relevance, otherwise no. Of course, they could start exhuming dogs buried in people's backyards or tips I guess, if the perp tells them where the long-dead dog is now...
 

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There are 2 different types of 'familial DNA' terms being bandied about at the moment.

1 is the DNA sample closely matching a current offender in the database. This is then used to isolate close family members who may have motive and opportunity.

The 2nd type and the method seemingly used in the Golden State Killer case. The police have DNA samples and the digital record. They upload this to the Family DNA sites and look for close matches . They then try and link them to people with motive and opportunity the same as 1.

I think the definition of Familial in these cases is more about the sample not being a direct match sample of a suspect or offender in the database
 

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*It appears on the face of it, that some of Drocs posts have gone missing or uncached from search engines.

"In regards to Gerald Ross who was found in Baldivis; I was riding my dirtbike down that way in the Baldivis pine plantation when i rode past a cross. I thought someone on a bike had come unstuck,as they do quite alot over here in the stix. I went back & had a look & found it was erected by the Shoalwater Task Force who were investigating his disappearance.He was found off an internal track in the small plantation.Bit hard to drive in there with the ruts & sand unless u had a 4wd.Some tracks u can use a 2wd. A few people from the local horse riding school ride thru there." - Phibes

22. Droc claims he lived in the same house with his girlfriend throughout all three murders. was restoring his beddy in Droc's back shed. Droc worked security from 7pm until 7am.
23. Post 1913: The person who flew and out of the country after each murder, was from England. A strange character who drove around in an old Ford Cortina station wagon, and an old truck. But the most interesting thing was he almost always jogged everywhere he went. You would come across him up side streets, across parks - though never at all in the city areas, and he was a person that loved to scout old dumping areas for junk to turn into art. One of his favorite places was the pine forests north, and likewise similar areas to the south. He was about 35 at the time of the murders.
Gotta admit - the cohort mentioned by Droc including the strange fellow with the station wagon and old truck was of interest.

Droc was from Fremantle, right?

“and he was a person that loved to scout old dumping areas for junk to turn into art. “

Who creates artwork from junk?

And associated with the taxi driver?

Didn’t he also mention someone with a boat who was a guitar hero, friends with Droc’s lady interest?

Where are they now?

Who can say when it falls.
 
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Gotta admit - the cohort mentioned by Droc including the strange fellow with the station wagon and old truck was of interest.

Droc was from Fremantle, right?

“and he was a person that loved to scout old dumping areas for junk to turn into art. “

Who creates artwork from junk?

And associated with the taxi driver?

Didn’t he also mention someone with a boat who was a guitar hero, friends with Droc’s lady interest?

Where are they now?

Who can say when it falls.
Why do you keep introducing this theory ?
It's been publicised that he's theory was tested and proven to be rubbish, Bradley Edwards has been framed .
The truth will prevail soon enough .
 

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If the perp's dog was a greyhound or another 'specialised' breed where the dogs are DNA tested then that might have some relevance, otherwise no. Of course, they could start exhuming dogs buried in people's backyards or tips I guess, if the perp tells them where the long-dead dog is now...
Search council dog rego database records. If they get close someone will tell what sort of dog someone had.

I wonder if Mr Miller the horse trainer has further info about who used to hang out in the Pine forest, cars etc.
 

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Search council dog rego database records. If they get close someone will tell what sort of dog someone had.

I wonder if Mr Miller the horse trainer has further info about who used to hang out in the Pine forest, cars etc.
Social media pics usually have dogs as well
 

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They don't run familial or 'familial technique' on DNA. They certainly don't run 'familial technique' on DNA from any crime scene. If they run your cousin's DNA (the normal and only way) and find it's a close match to the DNA from the crime scene they'll then test his close relatives to see if they can find an exact match. If his DNA isn't close to what they have from the crime scene they won't test his relatives, unless they're separately under suspicion or charged. It's all just testing DNA, the normal way.

"To assume they would just run an individuals DNA in order to exclude them from DNA on Ciaras body in contemporary technique is nuts." - That's exactly what they do and it's the whole point of DNA testing.

Dan, I've studied (as a hobby) inheritance (of genes and DNA) for 25 years and know how it works.
Very interesting!

But they will know if it is someone close.

Remember they ran kimono against criminal database, but not him, someone near him.

"As part of a continuing operation to retest old evidence with new technology, officers from the State Crime Operations team did DNA tests on the kimono."

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...ital-clue-ng-d5498c5d0593771d7f526f90646d52f0

 
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So they ran the DNA to crim database and pulled a match, arrested, tested, nup close but no potato.
They then found another likely nearby, arrested, tested.
3 lemons
 

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Very interesting!

But they will know if it is someone close.

Remember they ran kimono against criminal database, but not him, someone near him.

"As part of a continuing operation to retest old evidence with new technology, officers from the State Crime Operations team did DNA tests on the kimono."

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa...ital-clue-ng-d5498c5d0593771d7f526f90646d52f0
No, they ran the DNA from the kimono/crime scene against the DNA database to see if they had the perp's DNA on file already.

So they ran the DNA to crim database and pulled a match, arrested, tested, nup close but no potato.
They then found another likely nearby, arrested, tested.
3 lemons
No. If they'd 'pulled' a match or close match that means they'd already have that person's DNA, so no need to test to eliminate.
 

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No, they ran the DNA from the kimono/crime scene against the DNA database to see if they had the perp's DNA on file already.


No. If they'd 'pulled' a match or close match that means they'd already have that person's DNA, so no need to test to eliminate.
Yep, kimono against criminal database using new techniques. Familial

"As part of a continuing operation to retest old evidence with new technology, officers from the State Crime Operations team did DNA tests on the kimono."

Next came the technique sometimes called “ familial DNA” where police look for people who are closely related ...
 
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Gotta admit - the cohort mentioned by Droc including the strange fellow with the station wagon and old truck was of interest.

Droc was from Fremantle, right?

“and he was a person that loved to scout old dumping areas for junk to turn into art. “

Who creates artwork from junk?

And associated with the taxi driver?

Didn’t he also mention someone with a boat who was a guitar hero, friends with Droc’s lady interest?

Where are they now?

Who can say when it falls.
Could you please outline some reasons as to why you keep peddling the same comments made by a known trickster/prankster who served jail time for fraud?
 
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Could you please outline some reasons as to why you keep peddling the same comments made by a known trickster/prankster who served jail time for fraud?
Interestingly Droc wouldn't simply supply a DNA sample and fill out the forms for the Claremont case.

Not sure Droc ever went to Curtain university? He had a penchant for theatrics.

Droc's musings sounded like a mixing of truth and fiction to muddy the waters.

Forever dancing around the topic with such conviction in his mumbo jumbo.

His story had real life characters which by the sounds of it entered the forum subject and at least one allegedly left the country.

Either way it sounded like there were more than one taxi abduction operator in regards the two man team with one victim a broken ankle.

Drocs musings have so many aspects that hold potential.
Did Sprockets say she had a genetics heritage hobby?

Blessed are the mask wearers.
 
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