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[Mazza12346]

Freeman's hamstring is a real worry. If he can't get on the park next year it may just be the end of his career. That 2013 draft should have been one of the foundations of our next premiership. Langdon and Marsh were inspired choices and Adams is fulfilling his promise, but losing out on Scharenberg and Freeman really hurts, whilst White, Karnezis and Armstrong were also busts. The club must get this years draft and trade period spot on or we are going to be mid table for a few more years yet.

We made up for it with real quality late round picks and rookies but the first rounders should be the nucleus of a premiership side

 

[jmac70]

I would estimate that there at least a dozen guys on our list that we could delist or trade.

 

[rand corp]

Players like Marsh, Maynard, De Goey, Moore, Langdon, Schaz are very exciting young talents and to be honest, I feel if we can get just a few more A graders around them in certain areas then we could start heading back up the ladder and towards a tilt at a flag.
Its a real pain that neither Kennedy nor Freeman have been able to come good just yet, because that type of fast inside and outside player who can break away is just what we are lacking. Could do with some crumbing silk in the forward pocket and we need one more tall coming on at either end of the ground.

 

[Big Bryza]

I'm starting to tire of the "young" excuse. Bulldogs are pretty much just as young, have a first year coach who has taken them from bottom 4 to almost Top 4.

Where were the dogs at last year?

Their young guns - Eg - Stringer, Macrae, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Hunter, Bonty (2nd season but a freak) all now have 2-3 years plus of senior experience. Hardened bodies like Picken, Morris, Crameri and Dickson are well supported by a game style of sling shot footy from half back led by Murphy, M.Boyd and Wood. They heavily rotate their bottom 3-4 players (Daniel, Dale, T.Boyd, McLean etc) with younger players who have less than 20 games experience. Its the ideal mix. They're ahead of us in terms of development but there is no reason we can't make the jump in to the finals in 2016 like they have this season.

I'm pretty stoked with a young group of - Scharenberg, De Goey, Moore, Maynard, Elliott, Grundy, Langdon, Adams, Crisp, Williams, Marsh with the increasingly likely addition of Treloar and potentially Aish.

It's pretty exciting times.

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm starting to tire of the "young" excuse. Bulldogs are pretty much just as young, have a first year coach who has taken them from bottom 4 to almost Top 4.

So you are saying our Kids are Overrated and our Coaches are Ordinary?

The Problem is I don’t think we have a Ton of Good 22-25 Year Olds

 

[TradeDraft]

Where were the dogs at last year?

Their young guns - Eg - Stringer, Macrae, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Hunter, Bonty (2nd season but a freak) all now have 2-3 years plus of senior experience. Hardened bodies like Picken, Morris, Crameri and Dickson are well supported by a game style of sling shot footy from half back led by Murphy, M.Boyd and Wood. They heavily rotate their bottom 3-4 players (Daniel, Dale, T.Boyd, McLean etc) with younger players who have less than 20 games experience. Its the ideal mix. They're ahead of us in terms of development but there is no reason we can't make the jump in to the finals in 2016 like they have this season.

I'm pretty stoked with a young group of - Scharenberg, De Goey, Moore, Maynard, Elliott, Grundy, Langdon, Adams, Crisp, Williams, Marsh with the increasingly likely addition of Treloar and potentially Aish.

It's pretty exciting times.

They started there Re-Build a few years before we did

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

So you are saying our Kids are Overrated and our Coaches are Ordinary?

The Problem is I don’t think we have a Ton of Good 22-25 Year Olds

We will in a couple of years

 

[TradeDraft]

We will in a couple of years

That is when we will be Playing Finals and Pushing for a Top 4 spot

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

So you are saying our Kids are Overrated and our Coaches are Ordinary?

The Problem is I don’t think we have a Ton of Good 22-25 Year Olds

Not sure if our kids are overrated. I think they'll (on the whole) be better players than the kids Malthouse brought through (outside Pendlebury). They just seem to be developing at a slower pace? Or maybe that's just how it looks.

On the coaching thing? Yeah it's getting hard to argue that Buckley is a legitimately good coach. I mean, one question you have ot ask yourself is, if Clarkson took over in 2012 instead of Buckley, would we better, the same, or worse?

 

[TradeDraft]

Not sure if our kids are overrated. I think they'll (on the whole) be better players than the kids Malthouse brought through (outside Pendlebury). They just seem to be developing at a slower pace? Or maybe that's just how it looks.

On the coaching thing? Yeah it's getting hard to argue that Buckley is a legitimately good coach. I mean, one question you have ot ask yourself is, if Clarkson took over in 2012 instead of Buckley, would we better, the same, or worse?

What do you mean you think they are Developing slower?

 

[Ant85]

Freeman's hamstring is a real worry. If he can't get on the park next year it may just be the end of his career. That 2013 draft should have been one of the foundations of our next premiership. Langdon and Marsh were inspired choices and Adams is fulfilling his promise, but losing out on Scharenberg and Freeman really hurts, whilst White, Karnezis and Armstrong were also busts. The club must get this years draft and trade period spot on or we are going to be mid table for a few more years yet.

Spot on.

I hope the few games played means Scharenberg is closer to signing, but judging from the Scharenberg thread, that's looking unlikely.

We absolutely need to have Freeman up and running. Hopefully he can get over his hamstring issues, complete a full preseason, and be ready to go next year.

These two players are the foundation of our next 10 years (similar to the Pendles/Thomas 2005 draft).

 

[PremierPie13]

Where were the dogs at last year?

Their young guns - Eg - Stringer, Macrae, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Hunter, Bonty (2nd season but a freak) all now have 2-3 years plus of senior experience. Hardened bodies like Picken, Morris, Crameri and Dickson are well supported by a game style of sling shot footy from half back led by Murphy, M.Boyd and Wood. They heavily rotate their bottom 3-4 players (Daniel, Dale, T.Boyd, McLean etc) with younger players who have less than 20 games experience. Its the ideal mix. They're ahead of us in terms of development but there is no reason we can't make the jump in to the finals in 2016 like they have this season.

I'm pretty stoked with a young group of - Scharenberg, De Goey, Moore, Maynard, Elliott, Grundy, Langdon, Adams, Crisp, Williams, Marsh with the increasingly likely addition of Treloar and potentially Aish.

It's pretty exciting times.

Thanks for making this quality post. The improvement of the Dogs this year on last has been exponential and the "ideal mix" you refer to is key in that. Stringer, Macrae, Wallis, Dahlhaus, Bont all have 2-3 years of experience. They are the elite talent – alongside Libba – that people have been positing as better quality than ours. What we are going to see next year is a shift in our age profile and some of our quality players will be displaying elite performances more and more frequently, in a similar way to what's happening at the Dogs. Big Byrza makes that point very clear. If some Magpie supporters don't think Moore, De Goey, Grundy, Scharenberg, Adams, Elliot, and Williams have significant upside – even the capacity to become elite – I think they will be pleasantly surprised.

In response to Shpeshal Ed's post: you're completely right, youth isn't an excuse! However, in saying that, I can guarantee this: The players will be stronger, fitter, more experienced and more cohesive as a unit next year. We were just off the mark against the competitions elite in Hawthorn, Fremantle and Sydney, and not disgraced against two top 4 teams in the Eagles and Bulldogs at the basketball court that is Etihad stadium. Supporters are understandably frustrated we couldn't get the four points often enough in the second half of the season, but the improvements we've all witnessed this season are undeniable. If one moment in 2015 made me believe we were tracking in the right direction it was when we dominated Hawthorn – yes, check the scoring shots – but were unable to capitalise on our efforts. We actually were TERRIFYING them with our brand of football, for the first time since 2011 (in the H & A, not the prelim). Youth isn't an excuse, but I'd back in the improvement of our players next year over the improvement of Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne & co, whom I look forward to seeing in 2016.

 

[PremierPie13]

They started there Re-Build a few years before we did

I really think you have a good footy brain Dave. People may be condescending towards you because of the language you use but your posts are often accurate and see the situation as it is. Given the amount of posts you make I reckon you have a pretty high DE% amongst them!

 

[PremierPie13]

I would estimate that there at least a dozen guys on our list that we could delist or trade.

Its really an interesting case study to see the general change in sentiment of your posts over the season Jmac. Early in the piece you were really quite optimistic about the Pies with a resilient attitude in defending the direction of the club against other posters, where as now you've become embittered and have fallen into line with their views. I don't know if it is a result of the alcoholism that you regularly advocate here on the board or something else that has compromised your rationality, but I really don't think you have that much to be disappointed about and would love to have you back on the winning team.

 

[jmac70]

Its really an interesting case study to see the general change in sentiment of your posts over the season Jmac. Early in the piece you were really quite optimistic about the Pies with a resilient attitude in defending the direction of the club against other posters, where as now you've become embittered and have fallen into line with their views. I don't know if it is a result of the alcoholism that you regularly advocate here on the board or something else that has compromised your rationality, but I really don't think you have that much to be disappointed about and would love to have you back on the winning team.

My views have changed in line with our mounting losses. Nothing unusual there I would have thought, certainly not worthy of a case study. I see positives but also areas for improvement, and I feel comfortable expressing them on this board or with my mates at the pub before the game. I thank you for your concern about the affects of alcohol on the workings of my mind, but I will continue to express my feelings about the club in anyway I see fit. Please excuse me for not being excited about another half year capitulation.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

What do you mean you think they are Developing slower?

Don't want to put words into anyone's mouths, but by "Developing Slower" I would guess that most people mean "Developing Slower than I would like". Realistically we've blooded first year players and given extra responsibility to second/third year players and in most cases they're responding well.

But all it's meant is that we've stayed there-and-abouts with out overall success and after last year's disappointment we had hoped for better.

I had tipped Pies to be 10th this year when I did our tipping and I think I may (unfortunately) be proved right. But as far as the internal Collingwood expectations go, I would guess that we're on track and no-one is greatly surprised by this year. It's a long-term growth.

 

[jackcass]

Brodie Grundy is an absolute ball-magnet ruckman at 21; meanwhile posters were saying he had a bad game when he picked up 20 possessions.

First and foremost can I just say that I concur fully with the premise of your post. I'm personally very bullish about our prospects beyond 2015.

Just wanted to make a comment about the extract included above. It's not the raw number of possessions that was the issue for some of us. It's the fact that with a DE% of 55% about half of them went to opposition players and several in fact led to scoring opportunities.

 

[jackcass]

I would estimate that there at least a dozen guys on our list that we could delist or trade.

I will state categorically that there are 45 (Keeffe & Thomas included) blokes on our list that we could delist or trade.

Don't think either position is close to reality, but that's a different discussion.

 

[TradeDraft]

First and foremost can I just say that I concur fully with the premise of your post. I'm personally very bullish about our prospects beyond 2015.

Just wanted to make a comment about the extract included above. It's not the raw number of possessions that was the issue for some of us. It's the fact that with a DE% of 55% about half of them went to opposition players and several in fact led to scoring opportunities.

Well people said Cox was so god because he got 20+ Touches a Game. Grundy gets that now as a 21 year old. Now just has to get his DE% up into the 70% Range

 

[TradeDraft]

I will state categorically that there are 45 (Keeffe & Thomas included) blokes on our list that we could delist or trade.

Don't think either position is close to reality, but that's a different discussion.

So you would Trade Cloke and Pendles?

 

[jackcass]

So you would Trade Cloke and Pendles?

No, but that doesn't alter the fact we could

 

[jackcass]

Well people said Cox was so god because he got 20+ Touches a Game. Grundy gets that now as a 21 year old. Now just has to get his DE% up into the 70% Range

Exactly, a lot to like but still a developing prospect.

 

[jmac70]

No, but that doesn't alter the fact we could

I was attempting to list the players who are more likely to be shopped around. Of course there may be more or less. The point is that I think we need to aggressive and recruit some older players to compliment our youth.

 

[jackcass]

I was attempting to list the players who are more likely to be shopped around. Of course there may be more or less. The point is that I think we need to aggressive and recruit some older players to compliment our youth.

We've turned over 50 odd players since the 2010 GF, I think we've had our fill of "aggressive" list turnovers. Agree we need to target for specific needs but hard to imagine how we'll have more than 3-4 senior list changes including Keeffe and Thomas (assuming Scharenberg stays).

 

[TradeDraft]

Exactly, a lot to like but still a developing prospect.

Agree and That is what our Team/List is at the moment