Get rid of the Brownslow

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Re : Magarey Medal question, Please read my post on page 4 of 4 melbourne teams.
The National competition was very nearly made up of WA and SA with Victoria being an EQUAL partner, should this have occured it would not have phased me to see the Magarey medal pass as a part of AUSTRALIAN FOOTBALL history, howeverI would fail to see the significance a SA medal had with WA or Victoria or other football state , except for the players from interstate leagues who had won it. In as much as the Sandover has little relevance to SA or Vic , except for the Interstate players who had one it. Exactly as much relevance as a Melbourne suburban medal has on interstate football.

When Interstate leagues had agreed to assist the VFL out of its near bankruptcy by fielding teams in a newly named AFL with $ 4 mill. license fees ( which saved a number of Victorian clubs from bakruptcy ). The understanding amongst all outside of Victoria was the New AFL was a national competition and that old VFL suburban melbourne traditions would be left just there.


Nope ....we was duped, twernt nothin' of the sort..

what we got was a huge degree of arrogance and patronization as the realization that our state leagues were now TOTALLY subordinate to the new mass spectator AFL based teams in our cities and the AFL/VFL had us exactly were they wanted...


Thats business I suppose...

 

[sainter]

WCE2000,

I understand the point you are making with your brownlow voting system but it would be open to far too much conjecture.

It would be virtually impossible to have any sort of consistency across the board. It is hard enough for the umpires to vote using a 3-2-1 system let alone have to grade players on a numerical scale from 1 to 5.

By the way, I don't have any problem with the Brownlow Medal system at all. The winner is always a worthy one and besides, regardless of the system used to decide the winner there will always be disputes.

* And Dan, would you happen to know if St Kilda's total of having 9 Brownlow medals won is the highest in the competition? I need some good news.

 

[Westy Boy]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:

.... howeverI would fail to see the significance a SA medal had with WA or Victoria or other football state , except for the players from interstate leagues who had won it. In as much as the Sandover has little relevance to SA or Vic , except for the Interstate players who had one it.

to quote yourself from the FOUR TEAMS FROM VICTORIA thread (12:40 9/8)
"Some of the replies are quite intellegent, but unfortunately some just have no sense or reason to them"

PA 1870
You tell people to refrain from personal abuse, but what the hell do you expect when you post incoherent, irrelevant and regurgitated bullsh1t like this post?
You, like many South Australians, have a hatred for Victorians. Understood. But why are you the only one that consistently manages to sh1t me?

I did not ask for a history lesson on how SA almost became the premier league in Australia, how your f*ckin medal predated ours, how interstate leagues had agreed to assist the VFL out of its near bankruptcy by fielding teams in a newly named AFL with $ 4 mill. license fees, or how "SA football got was a huge degree of arrogance and patronization as the realization that our state leagues were now TOTALLY subordinate to the new mass spectator AFL based teams in our cities and the AFL/VFL had us exactly were they wanted". Shit happens- get over it!!!!
I asked you to tell me-
would you deem the MaGarey appropriate for a second rate league in SA, and whether you would be happy to see the Glenelg/ West Torrens Magpies, ending your (and many other great SA clubs having merged) great club histories, as you suggested for the Melbourne based clubs.

Just answer the question, and stop avoiding it by giving us more profound history lessons!!!

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Westy please refrain from the abuse.

The history of all those teams as mentioned is now irrelevant......

They cannot determine their own destinies, they cannot strive to keep players, they no longer have crowds, No body knows their playing personell. nobody knows their coaches, they dont rate a mention in the papers to any great degree anymore, it is no longer prestigious to be involved with the clubs as it once was.

The historical significance I tried to draw was plain and simply this..

Wa and SA could still have had their clubs participating in a national Comp alongside Victorian teams...But the VFL wanted all the cakes at Footballs expense and you guys just dont give a sH*T that is what its all about.

The Magarey medal is still awarded...However, the embarrassing part is the people who now receive it are either kids or on their way out. The receiver is no longer a true Champion as they once were...

i.e how can you possibly put, Whoever one it last year ??? next to Len Fitzgerald Collingwood hall of famer and triple magarey medallist for Sturt...you cant.

The time is right to offer a new medal for the SANFL and to change the name of the SANFL to reflect its current status.

It no longer is a self determining league, all clubs are now chaff for the AFL

that includes the WAFL.

My Point dear Westy is it is the VICTORIAN football league that did this..

Get over it???????? as you say....

Yet if one change for the Good of Australian Football is Mooted..You guys go "Psyko" at the very thought of any changes to Vic based clubs or medals.....

My point earlier about the magarey and the Sandover that you highlighted meant...
Those two medals are only relevant to their recipetants not to Victorians, except those people i.e. Victorians and South Aussies and West Aussies who have one those medals whilst playing in SA or WA competitions.

They have no recognition outside of their home states anymore.


I am certainly not anti victorian or dislike Victorians in any way. please refrain from such accusations

Thats all for now.

 

[BJ]

PA....you can't be serious! Whats the naming of the Bownlow Medal got to do with equal rights for all States in the AFL....shouldn't you be concentrating more on issues such as the dodgey rule that states that at least one AFL final must me played at the MCG each round? You are doing Mr Brownlow a great disjustice and are extremely disrespectful of an obvious football great by mocking his name and calling it the Brownslow medal!
You think you are good with trying to use every word in your extended vocabulary....we don't really want to listen to your dribble.
Anyone who isnt a nanna has got to be off their rocker to call people chaps. You sound like a pompous bastard!but excuse me chaps for my inapropriate language...
Would you like to go and inform the Brownlow family that their grandfather, greatgrandfather ect will no longer be given the honour he deserves?
The VFL expanded to the AFL....and with this some changes must be made...to truley make it a national compitition....but I hardly see that changing the name of a prestigous medal is going to make a difference. I don't know this Brownlow guy....but he is obviously a champ!
The Australia medal???!!!hahahahahheheheheh!! what a crock of crap!........You play footy and win an award that is called the Australia medal??? You gotta be joking! It is a football award!
It is an hounoured tradition.........stop being so petty and self rightous!
BJ

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

BJ,
Of course I see it now, oops , thanks for your input..

i'll refrain from posting an opinion on this matter now.

It really doesnt matter what the medal is called.

Guys , despite your own perceptions, I have an enormous amount of respect for the Brownlow medal winner.
Wasnt Mr. Brownlow a geelong official? Or did he play football for them.

Never mind he was a very prominant figure in Victorian football and we should all honour his contributions..

Pa 1870

 

[sandie]

At last!!!!!!!!

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Mantis

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Originally posted by Port Adelaide 1870:


It really doesnt matter what the medal is called.

No offense intended but i think it does matter what the medal would be called. Any footballer would be HONOURED to have a medal named after them. As long as it isn't a sponsered medal. eg, Westpac Medal.

By the way, Mr Brownlow's name is Chad Brownlow. I think he actually played for the club but I'm not positive.

 

[Port Adelaide 1870]

Richmond #1 ,
Thanks for that.

PA 1870