Religion Getting myself un-baptised.

[Chief]

I'd consider it, but I don't care enough to get out -

I am a catholic by birth, and that's it.

But you're not a Catholic by birth. You're a human by birth. The Catholicism was added later, I assume at an age where you could not be said to have given informed consent?

Re my official separation from the church:

The document has been prepared and is awaiting the Archbishop’s signature. He is in Rome at the moment and will return at the end of this week.

 

[Caesar]

My parents did tons of things without my informed consent when I was a kid. I don't feel the need to specifically go out of my way to disown any of them.

I'm in a similar situation to you, but I simply regard that chapter of my life closed when I elected to stop receiving sacraments and attending mass. Done, dusted, moot. This makes about as much sense to me as going back to my preschool and asking them to amend my enrolment record because that place wouldn't have been my informed choice.

 

[Chief]

And that is your choice. I understand that.

It is a bit weird that there seems to be a body of people who can't fathom the desire to fully sever ties with an organisation they do not wish to be associated with in any way. No entirely weird, just a bit.

Even the non-religious seem to think this in some way validates the organisation by acknowledging that I care that they have me on their books. Is this the Aussie "she'll be right" attitude? The attitude that anyone who cares enough to rock the boat is a bit suspect?

If it was, say, a neo-Nazi group that my parents enrolled me in as a kid I doubt anyone would have an issue in me requesting they purge their records of me the better to disassociate myself from them.

As an aside, this isn't such a bad analogy considering the Catholic Church's collaboration with Nazi Germany.

 

[skipper kelly]

God wins.

 

[cartwright]

But you're not a Catholic by birth. You're a human by birth. The Catholicism was added later, I assume at an age where you could not be said to have given informed consent?

Re my official separation from the church:

Right, I am Catholic due to the family I was born in. I guess at 3 months you can't give consent.

 

[cancat]

I have started a religous cult where we worship Frank Spencer from Some Mothers Do Have 'Em. I have involuntarily enrolled everyone who has contributed to this thread, starting with the OP. Ask me how you can be unbaptised and removed from the headcount.

 

[Chief]

When you start to get special legal and financial consideration based on the number of people you claim follow your crazy beliefs, I'll drop you a line.

 

[Chief]

God wins.

Bit trigger happy there, skip.

I just stated a known fact.

 

[Caesar]

When you start to get special legal and financial consideration based on the number of people you claim follow your crazy beliefs, I'll drop you a line.

But they don't, at least not based on baptismal records. If anything, that stuff is based on who ticks 'Catholic' on their census forms.

 

[Chief]

The Frank Spencer worshippers?

 

[Caesar]

You know what I mean. Fair enough this is an ideological decision, but you can't really put any sort of practical spin on it. It's not like you're being included in any sort of Catholic headcount.

 

[Chief]

There's a baptism certificate with my name on it. I've asked to have it removed. That's practical. It also puts an obstacle in my own way should I ever weaken my resolve and think about putting either of my children in harm's way by sending them to a Catholic school. Practical.


By the way, on this whole subject I found an article from a few years ago. I am sure this is how Jesus would have wanted people to worship him/god/etc:

http://www.jimmyakin.org/2006/04/formal_defectio.html

There's even one about "youthful passions":

http://www.jimmyakin.org/youthful-passions.html

 

[Caesar]

Putting an asterix beside your name on your baptismal certificate has no practical effect, since it isn't used for anything. The latter reason is practical I suppose... but come on, protecting yourself from a future lack of resolve? Kind of a stretch don't you think?

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

If you are a breeder, don't get your progeny done.

What you are on about is between you and your parents.

If they are still with us, are you still on speaking terms with them?

 

[skipper kelly]

Bit trigger happy there, skip.

I just stated a known fact.

Nope. God wins mean you lose.

 

[Chief]

Godwins law applies to situations of comparison without factual basis. It's in the Internet Manual.

 

[Corpuscles]

TL; DR most of it..

LOL! You respond without reading it. Typical of the closed minded, ill informed

The tanty here is in the responses to my perfectly reasonable desire to remove records held about me by an organisation I do not wish to be associated with.

Fair enough. I suppose the thread is merely to inform others that you found the mechanism?

Corp your challenge was essentially for me to disengage my reasoning and look for some pattern that might be called the influence of God. This is what the human brain tends to do anyway when effort is not expended to think rationally: seek short-cut answers and find patterns which usually don't survive more rigorous examination.

Here, you're essentially calling into doubt the very efficacy of more rigorous examination. That is absurd. Hence my my absurd response to your absurd challenge.

You accept the theory of evolution as the only mechanism for creaiton of life and consciousness. However you don't examine rigorously how simple things have the consciousness to become more complex and pass on to its progeny information as to what changing enviromental factors require a specific change.
Random chance? ...isn't rational or logical solution , in a complex precise universe.

You also likely accept the "Big Bang" theory, and I know (from previous posts elsewhere) you think there is evidence for "Black holes". Neither can be observed, nor verified, they are in the realm of imagination, and also outside your capability to assess any veracity of the theory.

You are certain there is no universal force ("god") but cannot provide solid evidence for your so called "rational vigorous investigation".

Sorry.. maybe a bit longer than your post

 

[Chief]

Putting an asterix beside your name on your baptismal certificate has no practical effect, since it isn't used for anything. The latter reason is practical I suppose... but come on, protecting yourself from a future lack of resolve? Kind of a stretch don't you think?

Why are you hung up on whether what I think is a practical effect matches your idea of a practical effect?

More people should do things to protect themselves from their own future decisions. Many people do - leaving the car at home when they know they will be drinking. Leaving the address out of the "To" field when writing an angry email. Leaving the credit card at home when going shopping for specifics or not having too much cash to avoid the temptation to spend.

The term some boffin (or pundit? who knows the difference?) developed is "nudging" - http://nudges.org/

Try it.

 

[Caesar]

Like I said, fair enough, it's a practical reason.

I just would have thought, given your posting on the RCC, that you'd be one of the last people on earth tempted to send your children to one of their schools. I know it's not my place to judge your motivations, but surely you can understand my incredulity. It's like me putting 'nudges' in place in case I decide to become a satanist.

 

[skipper kelly]

Like I said, fair enough, it's a practical reason.

I just would have thought, given your posting on the RCC, that you'd be one of the last people on earth tempted to send your children to one of their schools. I know it's not my place to judge your motivations, but surely you can understand my incredulity. It's like me putting 'nudges' in place in case I decide to become a satanist.

Chief has expressed interest in the past about sending his children to Catholic Schools.

Its all a look at me troll.

 

[Chief]

Like I said, fair enough, it's a practical reason.

I just would have thought, given your posting on the RCC, that you'd be one of the last people on earth tempted to send your children to one of their schools.

In the past I've been less against it, given that I am reasonably sure that I could inoculate the kids against the supernatural guff. But, not yet having attained the age where changing my stance is inconceivable, I have become more and more against it. One of the reasons is that I don't want to teach the kids that it is acceptable to pretend a religious affiliation you don't have, and more generally to pretend to be something you're not.

If they decide that they want to be religious then they can front up to a school with me where I'll explain that I'm not a member of the church but my child wants to join and get the side-benefit of having a shorter trip to school. The temptation would be that, if I didn't put a black mark against my name with the church, I might just lie about it to get my child what he wants.

 

[skipper kelly]

Surely you dont believe the crap you post. Yeah, your child is going to come to you and ask to go to a Catholic school, so it is best off that you get un-baptised so you dont have the temptation of lying.

Yeah right chief.

 

[Sweaty]

LOL! You respond without reading it. Typical of the closed minded, ill informed



Fair enough. I suppose the thread is merely to inform others that you found the mechanism?



You accept the theory of evolution as the only mechanism for creaiton of life and consciousness.Evolution explains the diversity of life, not the creation of life. However you don't examine rigorously how simple things have the consciousness to become more complex and pass on to its progeny information as to what changing enviromental factors require a specific change. The genes are latent in the population, natural selection acts upon these genes.
Random chance? ...isn't rational or logical solution , in a complex precise universe.
Natural selection is by definition non random

You also likely accept the "Big Bang" theory, and I know (from previous posts elsewhere) you think there is evidence for "Black holes". Neither can be observed, nor verified, they are in the realm of imagination Red shift has been verified in galaxies, pointing to everything being on top of each other around 15 billion years ago. Hubbles constant also not 'evidence'?, and also outside your capability to assess any veracity of the theory.

You are certain there is no universal force ("god") but cannot provide solid evidence for your so called "rational vigorous investigation". I just provided some for you.


Sorry.. maybe a bit longer than your post

Why do you have a major aversion to the aspects of science which contradict your belief in (im assuming) the bible.

It is the same principles used in cell theory, atomic theory, among many others which you take for granted today.

Get over your bronze age beliefs and get with the 21st century.

 

[Corpuscles]

Why do you have a major aversion to the aspects of science which contradict your belief in (im assuming) the bible.

It is the same principles used in cell theory, atomic theory, among many others which you take for granted today.

Get over your bronze age beliefs and get with the 21st century.

Genes: How were they created?.. random chance eh? Feathers, petals of all shapes, fur, skin, eyes, gender etc etc .....all by accident

Where are the feathered monkeys? Where did the two extra genes come from between the 'ancestoral monkey' and humans?

Read up on Alton Harp. An eminent astronomer with outstanding case against current "red shift" interpretation.

Hubbles Constant...so what ....we think the universe is expanding.

Derrrr... 15 Billion eh???...how do you work that out?... and do you understand any of your so called "21 century" dribble...or did your teacher tell you it is FACT!?

 

[evo]

Crazy Corpy is crazy.

Give us the heads-up on Alton Harp.