Religion Getting myself un-baptised.

[Corpuscles]

Done. And I was very specific about the date and time this revelation should take place.

Waiting... waiting... waiting...

Who was the "I" that dictated the time? 'n place?

Is that the real "Christos"( Horus Mithra et al ) in you or 'your' pretend fascade?

 

[Malifice]

Youre going to look like a bit of a Goose after death if the Catholics are right.

Ill be with you in hell for eternity though.

Dont worry, if they are right, Catholic hell sounds awesome, what with all the Sodomy, Rock and Roll, Sex for pleasure, Infidelity, Drug use, Sloth, Lust and Gluttony.

Sounds like a party I was at the other day.

Gonna be awesome.

 

[SergioGeorgini]

Youre going to look like a bit of a Goose after death if the Catholics are right.

Ill be with you in hell for eternity though.

Dont worry, if they are right, Catholic hell sounds awesome, what with all the Sodomy, Rock and Roll, Sex for pleasure, Infidelity, Drug use, Sloth, Lust and Gluttony.

Sounds like a party I was at the other day.

Gonna be awesome.

You joke, but several studies have been done regarding terrifying or hellish near death experiences that may be evidence of hell. It's not proof but makes interesting reading.

http://www.iands.org/distressing.html

http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/hell.html

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/visions_of_hell.htm

You might also want to check out Howard Storm's story who was an athiest who had a terrifying Near Death Experience then went on to become a pastor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Storm

Must have been a profound and realisitc experience if he changed his whole life. Makes you wonder.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Dont worry, if they are right, Catholic hell sounds awesome, what with all the Sodomy, Rock and Roll, Sex for pleasure, Infidelity, Drug use, Sloth, Lust and Gluttony.

Sounds like a party I was at the other day.

Gonna be awesome.

You've got it all wrong.

Hell isn't those things, Hell is you sitting behind a glass wall watching all the people in Heaven partake in those things.

 

[Chief]

Who was the "I" that dictated the time? 'n place?

Is that the real "Christos"( Horus Mithra et al ) in you or 'your' pretend fascade?

It was like, yesterday at mid-day. Nothing happened, unless you think I WAS going to develop cancer but now, through God's miraculous intervention, I'm not.

 

[Malifice]

You've got it all wrong.

Hell isn't those things, Hell is you sitting behind a glass wall watching all the people in Heaven partake in those things.

God is pretty anti Sodomy/ Lust/ Sloth/ Greed etc isnt he?

Are you saying that in Catholic heaven, I can cheat on my wife in heaven with an 18 year old blonde (or two... at once) while smoking and drinking, have a toss when I get home, sleep for a week and then steal my neighbors Ferrari while worshipping a False God on the Sabbath and practicing witchcraft and listening to Heavy Metal... all without getting kicked out?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

God is pretty anti Sodomy/ Lust/ Sloth/ Greed etc isnt he?

Are you saying that in Catholic heaven, I can cheat on my wife in heaven with an 18 year old blonde (or two... at once) while smoking and drinking, have a toss when I get home, sleep for a week and then steal my neighbors Ferrari while worshipping a False God on the Sabbath and practicing witchcraft and listening to Heavy Metal... all without getting kicked out?

God is against them on earth because if you do it all now what do you have to look forward to in Heaven?

Which is why all the people who did it on earth now get to live the eternal beige after life for eternity in beige hell.

 

[Malifice]

God is against them on earth because if you do it all now what do you have to look forward to in Heaven?

Which is why all the people who did it on earth now get to live the eternal beige after life for eternity in beige hell.

Why the **** would God want to do that?

Wouldnt the Devil be nice to his subjects?

He wants them to fight for him when the Rapture comes doesnt he?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Why the **** would God want to do that?

Wouldnt the Devil be nice to his subjects?

He wants them to fight for him when the Rapture comes doesnt he?

Why would God who created everything fun then choose to live in Beige land?

That's the kind of place you'd send someone who pissed you off to go rule over.

And they will fight for the Devil, living in a beige world will make those stuck there very angry.

Angry enough to take out a library book and not return it.

 

[Malifice]

Why would God who created everything fun then choose to live in Beige land?

That's the kind of place you'd send someone who pissed you off to go rule over.

And they will fight for the Devil, living in a beige world will make those stuck there very angry.

Angry enough to take out a library book and not return it.

Hmm.. Im listening.

So If I quit the Sodomy, Masturbation and Sex, dont Lust after my neighbors wife (she is so hot), and dont otherwise Sin, I get to basically spend the rest of eternity in a mad Playboy-mansion style Orgy with Jesus and his homegirls?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Hmm.. Im listening.

So If I quit the Sodomy, Masturbation and Sex, dont Lust after my neighbors wife (she is so hot), and dont otherwise Sin, I get to basically spend the rest of eternity in a mad Playboy-mansion style Orgy with Jesus and his homegirls?

Spot on!

It's subliminally suggested to us through out our lives every time you hear the saying "good things come to those who wait".

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Only slightly off topic, yesterday this solicitor got us (4 executors of a will) to place our hand on a bible after we had signed a probate application. Two of us protested there was no god but did it. (In my case I had had heated words with the solicitor a half hour before and didn't feel like arcing up again.)

But I mentioned I had been reading a forum the night before about a bloke who wanted to become upbaptized just as my hand went towards this little red bible. The solicitor chuckled at this and mused about why anyone would want to do such a thing. I murmured it was to get the count down but he didn't really take it in.

But later couldn't help but wonder what good the solicitor thought the bible touch would do. There was only the five of us in the room so he could only be satisfying his own conscience. If it hadn't of been done no-one would know at the supreme court end where the application goes to.

Seemed masonic of ku klux clanish. Real strange.

 

[Caesar]

Executors are required to take an oath. Swearing on the Bible is just the traditional method of doing so. Our society has a lot of customs with religious origins.

You're entitled to swear on another holy book, or elect to take a non-religious oath if you prefer. I do the latter.

 

[sen entertainment bloke]

Executors are required to take an oath. Swearing on the Bible is just the traditional method of doing so. Our society has a lot of customs with religious origins.

You're entitled to swear on another holy book, or elect to take a non-religious oath if you prefer. I do the latter.

I was thinking that at the time (about a non religious oath) but went with the attitude, pretty much like what's in this thread as a response to chief's caper, what's it matter. I didn't feel compromised.

I can understand an oath to tell the truth. But it's a bit weird when it comes to a probate application. World needs changing.

 

[Corpuscles]

It was like, yesterday at mid-day. Nothing happened, unless you think I WAS going to develop cancer but now, through God's miraculous intervention, I'm not.

Patience... Chiefy!

The "god" you seek is everything in the universe (and possibly/ likely beyond), the "christ" is your higher self!

Great starting point ....to become "un-baptised" from hypocrisy!!

It had been raining for days and days, and a terrible flood had come over the land. The waters rose so high that one man was forced to climb onto the roof of his house.

As the waters rose higher and higher, a man in a rowboat appeared, and told him to get in. "No," replied the man on the roof. "I have faith in the Lord; the Lord will save me." So the man in the rowboat went away. The man on the roof prayed for God to save him.

The waters rose higher and higher, and suddenly a speedboat appeared. "Climb in!" shouted a man in the boat. "No," replied the man on the roof. "I have faith in the Lord; the Lord will save me." So the man in the speedboat went away. The man on the roof prayed for God to save him.


The waters continued to rise. A helicopter appeared and over the loudspeaker, the pilot announced he would lower a rope to the man on the roof. "No," replied the man on the roof. "I have faith in the Lord; the Lord will save me." So the helicopter went away. The man on the roof prayed for God to save him.

The waters rose higher and higher, and eventually they rose so high that the man on the roof was washed away, and alas, the poor man drowned.

Upon arriving in heaven, the man marched straight over to God. "Heavenly Father," he said, "I had faith in you, I prayed to you to save me, and yet you did nothing. Why?" God gave him a puzzled look, and replied "I sent you two boats and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"

 

[philohk]

Spot on!

It's subliminally suggested to us through out our lives every time you hear the saying "good things come to those who wait".

Hmm. Are there 72 of them? Because 72 would be pretty damn good.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

If you don't believe in god then why would you give a shit whether you were baptized or not? It would just be a meaningless ceremony in a meaningless world & and the gesture to become unbaptized would also be a meaningless act.

 

[Impunity!]

I think Chief has been put quite soundly back in his box.

 

[Chief]

Nope, still waiting for God to show his hand. Or any part of his body. At one stage I thought he had, but it was just a priest exposing himself outside the local day care centre.

 

[Caesar]

Nope, still waiting for God to show his hand. Or any part of his body. At one stage I thought he had, but it was just a priest exposing himself outside the local day care centre.

Just curious - do you consider trolling religious people on the religion board to be acceptable, or are you exercising owner privilege?

Only asking because I have a ton of awesome Muslim/terrorist jokes stored up.

 

[Chief]

I'm simply responding in an absurd manner to Corpuscles absurd challenge.

 

[Chief]

If you don't believe in god then why would you give a shit whether you were baptized or not? It would just be a meaningless ceremony in a meaningless world & and the gesture to become unbaptized would also be a meaningless act.

Read back through the thread to see why I don't consider it entirely meaningless to make a statement about my baptism.

People make statements about themselves all the time with the type of house they live in, the type of car they buy, the type of beer they drink. Nobody bats an eyelid at most of it. But make a statement through your actions about the type of beliefs you don't hold or religious organisation you don't want to be associated with and it seems many people have a hard time understanding it.

 

[cartwright]

I don't find it an insult at all.

I just can't believe people would waste their time undertaking such an action when it's meaningless to seek a detachment from something they think is pretend.

And given that the church really don't care too much about it makes it even more a waste of time.

There's always plenty of broader inclusive issues to discuss.

This isn't one of them, this is more self serving and would appear to be slightly provocative in its intentions.

If we head down this path then we aren't far removed from "I'm changing my brand of bog rolls" type social commentary.

And I'm sure that's what facebook is for...

I can understand why someone would take that effort if people of the church abused them.

I'd consider it, but I don't care enough to get out -

I am a catholic by birth, and that's it.

 

[Corpuscles]

I'm simply responding in an absurd manner to Corpuscles absurd challenge.

The only aspects that may have been absurd were:
a) That the 'dare' would be approached seriously, earnestly and sincerely;
b) Expecting you have any comprehension of what you ought be looking for;
c) Not taking into account your 'blind' ignorance caused by a deep (albeit justified !) hatred of instutionalised corrupt "religion".

You have read widely and invested much time and energy building a logical approach to viciously repute institutionalised BS religion. Sadly yet you have not been able to accept the failings of "religion" and thereafter put as much open minded effort into seeking the counter arguments/truth for the 'spiritual' domain.

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Nope, still waiting for God to show his hand. Or any part of his body. At one stage I thought he had, but it was just a priest exposing himself outside the local day care centre.

Yep....you think ... if you cannot experience it with your five senses or your brain capacity for knowledge can't completely logically understand it, then you conclude it cannot exist.

The allegorical "priest" had some corrupt urge, likely some inner awareness that action was physical (sense based) and contrary to natural order. His action was based on individual selfish (non spiritual) will. Perhaps if he had a subsequent troubled conscience it might have been merely based on rebellion to man made religious law of right and wrong or perhaps some chance of a inner conscienceness of the spiritual world?

The very fact he exists with a conscious life force with his complex physical hormonal urges is evidence enough.

I just sense your passion is motivated in some miniscule part by inner challenge? Seek (if seriously, earnestly and sincerely) and you shall find !

Again congrats on the un-baptism... do you feel a bit of a relieved childish tanty chucking "hero" now? or yet still unfulfilled and not completely certain?

 

[Chief]

TL; DR most of it.

The tanty here is in the responses to my perfectly reasonable desire to remove records held about me by an organisation I do not wish to be associated with. There's shade of enjoyment at causing trouble for the church but that's just a by-product, not a motivator.

As I've said, yeah there is an emotional element to it. There is also an emotional element to buying a car. Big deal.

Corp your challenge was essentially for me to disengage my reasoning and look for some pattern that might be called the influence of God. This is what the human brain tends to do anyway when effort is not expended to think rationally: seek short-cut answers and find patterns which usually don't survive more rigorous examination.

Here, you're essentially calling into doubt the very efficacy of more rigorous examination. That is absurd. Hence my my absurd response to your absurd challenge.