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Would Richmond take Witts in exchange for Deledio?

Kersten to Collingwood
Witts to Richmond
Deledio to Geelong

Maybe some filler from Geelong. However, I only guess rough values not close values.
I really hope it's that.

Deledio is a UFA at the end of 2017, but the PR of trading him for pieces (ie. Kersten and a second rounder) would be an absolute nightmare for them, even if he wants out.

I think in order to land him, they'd want a gun player or a high first rounder to compensate, or they'd force him to stay.
I just can't see a trade being done in which Deledio ends up at Geelong.
 

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I really hope it's that.

Deledio is a UFA at the end of 2017, but the PR of trading him for pieces (ie. Kersten and a second rounder) would be an absolute nightmare for them, even if he wants out.

I think in order to land him, they'd want a gun player or a high first rounder to compensate, or they'd force him to stay.
I just can't see a trade being done in which Deledio ends up at Geelong.
Agree.And we shouldnt offer more than 2nd rnd+fringe player when we can get him for free in 12 months.
 

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Deledio would be a good pick up if he was UFA otherwise it would cost to much. What Richmond would want and what he's worth imo are miles apart. Yes he was a star but has struggled to complete the last 2 pre seasons with achilles and calf injuries, and even though his 2015 was good it has no relevance to 2017 but his injuries issues are relevant to his cost going forward. I also think he looks to have lost a yard of pace and his burst this year although that could be be attributed to his injuries but there is no guarantee he will get them back and at 29-30 is a big risk.
If he was UFA I think he would be a good pick up to play as a HBF but the fact we would have to trade I would hope we stay away.

Gaz Jr I would have no issue with him coming home but only at the right price for us not GC or Gaz himself. I know some supporters have issues about how he left but if a trade of fringe best 22 players, as has been put forward earlier in the thread, for a midfielder still easily in the top 10 in the comp when fit, would be a great coup.
Would mean we would have 3 top 10 midfielders who are also excellent as forwards and would easily make our midfield the best and most dangerous in the AFL.
I think it would be highly improbable to happen but if it does then I would welcome him back.

As for Tyrone Vickery.....YUCK!
 

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I am not against getting deledio per se. I remember when we were trying to get heath shaw in 2013 and he is playing good footy into his 30s. We just should not overpay for deledio which a first rounder or equivalent is.
Big difference Heath Shaw was 27 at the time
 

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Deledio's age is part of the reason I'd be against a Lids-Motlop swap deal, but it's not the biggest reason. The main reason I oppose it is that our list is far more in need of a Motlop type than a Deledio type as it stands - without Mots, we have very few reliable goalkickers - and therefore, even if Deledio performs at a high level next year, I don't think his presence in the side at the expense of Mots would improve us or make us more likely to win the premiership.
 

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Clearly Deledio would improve our team but the cost would be too high in my opinion. I would much rather swap picks than players. As the players they would want are too valuable. If we had a first round it would be easier if be happy to swap that with something coming back to Geelong.
 

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Deledio is an absolute gun, but I'm not sure a Motlop straight swap is correct value for a guy thats 25 and has kicked 30+ goals in an inconsistent year, would hope to get our hands on Richmond's second rounder.
 

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Honestly id rather do minimal this draft I'd be happy to see a few fringe players go (GHS, Murdoch, Smedts) and just trade picks up the draft order. The NSW clubs still want to secure academies as do the QLD clubs - although their academy players have fallen.

Id be more than happy just to see Wells turn a lot of early 3rd round picks into a couple of early 2nds or even a first. We dont need to keep stuffing our list, especially with older talent.
 

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True. I am just talking about the principle of guys playing good footy into their 30s like boris is doing.
It's different when the guy is already on your list you don't have to pay to acquire.

How I'd think about recruiting a player

Benefit relative to the guy pushed out of the 22 X probability of not suffering debilitating injures X Length of career remaining > cost to acquire ($ and draft picks)

Benefit relative to the guy pushed out of the 22: Despite his versatility I don't see a weakness in our list that he fills either position wise or experience wise, which limits any marginal benefit. For me this would be the strongest reason to not trade him to the club. It's hard to determine who exactly is being forced out.

Probability of not suffering debilitating injures: He suffered two different types of soft tissue injuries this year, he'll be 30 next year. While it's not a certainty that his injury issue will continue it is a heightened risk. That may effect his longevity.

Maximum length of career remaining: You'd think at 3 to 4 seasons at most, small chance that it'd be longer but I wouldn't.

Cost to acquire: he is of the age where he should be a free agent. Instead he is contracted so Richmond get to dictate his cost in draft picks which would be high. We'd have to take over his existing contract which would be pretty high. Richmond would have to be chasing him away like the Bulldogs did to Lake.

Assuming money isn't an issue.
I'd value the cost of acquisition draft picks in a trade like

value = sum ( milestone * pr(reaching milestone)) - games of development required [higher for later picks, could also be called early pick premium].
For a pick in the early 20s this would be around 70 to 100 games.

If money is an issue or If we're trading our a player
I'd value it at the player we'd lose
 

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I made my head hurt reading the Tiger trade thread.
Some wanted both Duncan and Motlop for Deledio even though some acknowledged that he now has dodgy calves and has lost some burst speed.
I think if we traded Motlop for Deledio we would be the big loser in the long run.
As others have said Deledio doesn't fill a gaping hole in our list at the moment so trading for him will be far too costly, unless the Tigers would accept fringe best 22 players, which the won't.
If he was UFA then he would be a good pick up relative to cost.
 
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Deledio is a no for me guys especially if the costs are any more than a 2nd round pick, would only trade Motlop under Extraordinary circumstances like we got an offer of a 1st and 2nd for him.

Kersten must attempt to keep at all costs
 

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Wouldn't trade for Delidio. Have Thurlow returning next year but if he's keen on us he can remain unsigned, see how the whole Richmond fiasco plays out and when it's clear in a year that they'll need to rebuild he walks to us for zip as a Mackie replacement for a few years - assuming his body had held up through 2017.
 

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Trading Motlop for Deledio would be Fremantle-esque. I know the club loves getting bent over at the trade table, but that would take it to new levels.

Deledio is old and injury prone. At best, he may have a couple of years left, but there's a real possibility he's close to finished. Motlop has his periods of poor form and can induce frustration, but at his best, he's a highly damaging line-breaker and goal-kicking x-factor-type player. Motlop is in the prime age bracket and has plenty of time still to develop consistency in his game, and even if he doesn't, he'll definitely be able to provide more high-level performances for the remainder of his career than Deledio will.

It would show that the club doesn't learn from its mistakes. Why go after a broken-down player after the McIntosh and Clark debacles, the latter costing us a player who has now gone on to become a consistent, quality performer much like Motlop may? It's also contradictory. Why go after a 30 year old, when the club has been so quick to move on the 30+ Geelong legends who were still capable of playing quality football? Geelong got peanuts for Johnson, yet now they're giving up a quality prime-aged player for a 30-year-old? It's nuts.

If Motlop wants to go, or if they want to shop him around, then I'm not opposed, but surely they can find better value for him than a broken-down old player from Richmond as a straight swap. Surely there's a way the club can actually work a trade to its advantage for once. Motlop is still in contract. The same excuses that applied to the Christensen deal don't apply here.
 
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I made my head hurt reading the Tiger trade thread.
Some wanted both Duncan and Motlop for Deledio even though some acknowledged that he now has dodgy calves and has lost some burst speed.
I think if we traded Motlop for Deledio we would be the big loser in the long run.
As others have said Deledio doesn't fill a gaping hole in our list at the moment so trading for him will be far too costly, unless the Tigers would accept fringe best 22 players, which the won't.
If he was UFA then he would be a good pick up relative to cost.
There's only 2 possible reasons for trading Motlop.

1/ he wants more cash. And if that's the case he can see out his contract and we'll get a damn good pick for RFA.
2/ we don't have salary cap room. If that's the case, we can't fit Deledio.

And I don't want him anyway.
We don't even need him.
 

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Trading Motlop for Deledio would be Fremantle-esque. I know the club loves getting bent over at the trade table, but that would take it to new levels.

Deledio is old and injury prone. At best, he may have a couple of years left, but there's a real possibility he's close to finished. Motlop has his periods of poor form and can induce frustration, but at his best, he's a highly damaging line-breaker and goal-kicking x-factor-type player. Motlop is in the prime age bracket and has plenty of time still to develop consistency in his game, and even if he doesn't, he'll definitely be able to provide more high-level performances for the remainder of his career than Deledio will.

It would show that the club doesn't learn from its mistakes. Why go after a broken-down player after the McIntosh and Clark debacles, the latter costing us a player who has no gone on to become a consistent, quality performer much like Motlop may? It's also contradictory. Why go after a 30 year old, when the club has been so quick to move on the 30+ Geelong legends who were still capable of playing quality football? Geelong got peanuts for Johnson, yet now they're giving up a quality prime-aged player for a 30-year-old? It's nuts.

If Motlop wants to go, or if they want to shop him around, then I'm not opposed, but surely they can find better value for him than a broken-down old player from Richmond as a straight swap. Surely there's a way the club can actually work a trade to its advantage for once. Motlop is still in contract. The same excuses that applied to the Christensen deal don't apply here.
That's a pertinent point. Whilst Deledio and Johnson have different skill sets they are both at the latter stages of their careers. It would be unusual I would have thought to be going hard for Deledio having only 12 months earlier cast Johnson aside.

Personally I haven't got an issue bringing Deledio in, but only if it's at a moderate cost.
 
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