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[Turbocat]

You do realise that everyone comes from the draft?

You know my opinion. Would love to see us attack the draft as we did in '99 and '01. That turned out ok gambling on those occasions.

i Feel the last 3 years have been reasonable at the draft..we just lack the picks to go at the pointy end of the talent..

 

[Art Vandelay_]

You do realise that everyone comes from the draft?

You know my opinion. Would love to see us attack the draft as we did in '99 and '01. That turned out ok gambling on those occasions.

That means seasons of no finals. Stuff that. Bottoming out is beneath us.

 

[year of the cat]

That means seasons of no finals. Stuff that. Bottoming out is beneath us.

I’d take that than seasons of meaningless finals series myself. Doesn’t necessarily mean bottoming out in any case. Did we in 99-01?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I’d take that than seasons of meaningless finals series myself. Doesn’t necessarily mean bottoming out in any case. Did we in 99-01?

Any year we miss finals disgusts me, it’s not where we belong. It’s where the shit clubs reside.

 

[year of the cat]

Any year we miss finals disgusts me, it’s not where we belong. It’s where the s**t clubs reside.

Limp finals defeats disgust me.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I’d take that than seasons of meaningless finals series myself. Doesn’t necessarily mean bottoming out in any case. Did we in 99-01?

Cook and Carter against the sort of rebuilds you are suggesting though. We also went for the draft in 99-01 as we were not a destination club that could attract players...it wasnt like we chose to.

 

[year of the cat]

Cook and Carter against the sort of rebuilds you are suggesting though. We also went for the draft in 99-01 as we were not a destination club that could attract players...it wasnt like we chose to.

Maybe. But history will show that those two drafts delivered us our first flags in over 40 years. I’m a big believer in developing a decent group of kids together.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Maybe. But history will show that those two drafts delivered us our first flags in over 40 years. I’m a big believer in developing a decent group of kids together.

I think good coaching and a good gameplan got us flags not the list personally. I also think 20 years are a long time and there are other options with list builds now but didnt exist to the same extent back then.

 

[catman2006]

I think good coaching and a good gameplan got us flags not the list personally. I also think 20 years are a long time and there are other options with list builds now but didnt exist to the same extent back then.

our game plan was kamikaze football it was only the personnel that got us the flags, we had a very talented midfield group together with Chappy and Stevie j

 

[MacStradbroke]

We currently have near enough the worst group of talls in the league, something needs to be done and fast.
We pose no threat at all in the air to opposition defences and our smalls can't kick winning scores in finals.
Pity we didn't get Goldstein and he's just one we need at least 3.

WCE disagrees with this.

Just a reminder, we have this years All Australian in the team.

 

[MacStradbroke]

What amazes me is this has been going on for years.
Sam Taylor who's at the Giants (as if they neeeded another tall) was available but we went Fogarty in that draft.
It's a constant, we fool around will late rd and rookie picks like Buzza Gardner and wonder why they (talls) can't make the grade.

We also went Tim Kelly but that wouldn't suit your argument hey.

 

[MacStradbroke]

I think good coaching and a good gameplan got us flags not the list personally. I also think 20 years are a long time and there are other options with list builds now but didnt exist to the same extent back then.

The 14 or 15 All Australians did help though.

 

[Lana]

Maybe. But history will show that those two drafts delivered us our first flags in over 40 years. I’m a big believer in developing a decent group of kids together.

Throughout the draft classes they'd be a handful that matched our efforts those two years, you just can't count on it happening again as a recruitment strategy.

 

[Ratcat]

We also went Tim Kelly but that wouldn't suit your argument hey.

Not when it comes to key post players that guys like you are incessantly complaining about.
Tim Kelly's fine but he's not all parts.

 

[year of the cat]

Throughout the draft classes they'd be a handful that matched our efforts those two years, you just can't count on it happening again as a recruitment strategy.

That's fair. I do reckon though that if you can identify the right type of kids you have to back yourself in to develop them to be top flight AFL players. I'm happy too cherry pick the odd mature aged guy for the right price (> pick 30).

 

[Shadow89]

Not when it comes to key post players that guys like you are incessantly complaining about.
Tim Kelly's fine but he's not all parts.

Ratugolea seems to be coming along nicely, and we picked up Kreuger who would have gone Top 20 (was considered 2nd best key forward in SA behind Lukosious).

I do agree that Taylor would have been a better get than Fogarty...but hindsight is a wonderful thing. We were stacked down back and needed pressure forwards. Hence, why we drafted Fog instead of someone like Sam Taylor. If it was this year, we would draft Taylor, as we're now well stocked in the forward department.

Swings and roundabouts

 

[Shadow89]

I’d take that than seasons of meaningless finals series myself. Doesn’t necessarily mean bottoming out in any case. Did we in 99-01?

We've also been in a position to contend 12 out of the last 14 years. Not many clubs can say that (only Hawthorn, Sydney and West Coast come to mind). Don't think we'll be going a full rebuild anytime soon, with the kind of people we have at the club. Not saying it's good or bad, but until Danger finishes, we'll keep going the same route. Will be interesting to see what happens when we lose all our superstars though...

 

[year of the cat]

We've also been in a position to contend 12 out of the last 14 years. Not many clubs can say that (only Hawthorn, Sydney and West Coast come to mind). Don't think we'll be going a full rebuild anytime soon, with the kind of people we have at the club. Not saying it's good or bad, but until Danger finishes, we'll keep going the same route. Will be interesting to see what happens when we lose all our superstars though...

I keep saying it. I'm not talking complete rebuild. That to me, involves trading out a raft of best 22 players for picks. Let me be clear, I'm not for that. Just a tweak to ensure we retain our top 30 picks on youth and leave our trading of mature aged types for later picks.

 

[Shadow89]

I keep saying it. I'm not talking complete rebuild. That to me, involves trading out a raft of best 22 players for picks. Let me be clear, I'm not for that. Just a tweak to ensure we retain our top 30 picks on youth and leave our trading of mature aged types for later picks.

Looks like this year will be the year for that anyway. Also, contrary to what a lot of people think (I detailed this in a thread earlier in the year), half of our Best 22 has come from recent drafts - Rata, Stewart, Kelly, Parf, Henry, Atkins, Miers, Clark, Narkle, O'Connor, Kolo - (2014 but still recent-ish).

The point is moot anyway. We're forced into drafting this year, which will mean we'll have two first round picks at a minimum, with most likely 3 first round picks when Kelly goes. Add our second and third, plus any Rookies from our state leagues, and we'll have potentially 15-16 players (plus Constable, Cockatoo -if he ever plays-, Kreuger and Fogarty). If Taylor and Ablett retire this year (looks likely), then we'll have a very different team to our pre-Dangerfield/2016 mega draft side

 

[Turbocat]

Cook and Carter against the sort of rebuilds you are suggesting though. We also went for the draft in 99-01 as we were not a destination club that could attract players...it wasnt like we chose to.

Imm thie first to admit its a differnt world than it was then ..may three picks in the top 30 in an era of FA and player movement .. (and topup) ... sort of equates to what we did back in 99 and 01. A lot depend on the quality of the picks and the draft.. I dont think this year is 01..

 

[Turbocat]

I keep saying it. I'm not talking complete rebuild. That to me, involves trading out a raft of best 22 players for picks. Let me be clear, I'm not for that. Just a tweak to ensure we retain our top 30 picks on youth and leave our trading of mature aged types for later picks.

It seems like I have been saying that going to the draft doesnt mean we have to falter.. ..and fie if we can ad a super premium mid 20's player that can move into our best 5 at the right age..then lets look seriously at it.. but talk of trading picks in the top 20 / top30 for 30 year old players seems just to slanted one way for me... Id be prepared to say if we get the right players.. we could add two best 22 players with picks in the top30...and then they may have 200 games ahead of them.

 

[catempire]

Cook and Carter against the sort of rebuilds you are suggesting though. We also went for the draft in 99-01 as we were not a destination club that could attract players...it wasnt like we chose to.

So much this. You’ve got to deal with the circumstances you’re in. Blowing up the list at this point is crazy. There’s no fundamental problem with it. Just keep working it over in a normal way. I hope cooler heads than those here prevail.

 

[Turbocat]

We've also been in a position to contend 12 out of the last 14 years. Not many clubs can say that (only Hawthorn, Sydney and West Coast come to mind). Don't think we'll be going a full rebuild anytime soon, with the kind of people we have at the club. Not saying it's good or bad, but until Danger finishes, we'll keep going the same route. Will be interesting to see what happens when we lose all our superstars though...

I think posters like YOTC and I are not really calling for a full rebuild ..we infact are advocting a pre-emptive full rebound move so a full rebuild is not required.

Some other posted denigrate all the players we have drafted recently ..Im not like that.. I think we have some good kids mixed with some guys who are just strugglers.. from a spread of picks .. What we lack however is a couple of kids with the obvious potential that Selwood and Danger and Hawkins had when they were drafted.

I agree that while Danger is as he is now..they will be drawn to the Higgins type more than the draft ... but it will hurts us eventually IF we do not counter it with anotehr few players like Stewart and Sav and Gyrian etc that have been taken from the value end.

 

[Lana]

That's fair. I do reckon though that if you can identify the right type of kids you have to back yourself in to develop them to be top flight AFL players. I'm happy too cherry pick the odd mature aged guy for the right price (> pick 30).

My thought process is if you can get a quality mature player you go for it, there isn't enough talent to go around and the strike rate for types of early picks we get tend to be around 30%, a statistical one the in hand is worth three in the bush. I feel that younger players develop better playing in a competitive team. Getting thrown to the wolves each week hasn't helped the Carltons and GCs of the competition, so much talent wasted that could have thrived in a better environment. A player drafted in the 50s in our system has a better chance then one in the 20s in theirs.

The supplemental player recruitment period and the mid season draft will make it hard to find value from the 2nd tiers, but if we go for attributes rather than output a bargain could still be found.

 

[Ratcat]

Ratugolea seems to be coming along nicely, and we picked up Kreuger who would have gone Top 20 (was considered 2nd best key forward in SA behind Lukosious).

I do agree that Taylor would have been a better get than Fogarty...but hindsight is a wonderful thing. We were stacked down back and needed pressure forwards. Hence, why we drafted Fog instead of someone like Sam Taylor. If it was this year, we would draft Taylor, as we're now well stocked in the forward department.

Swings and roundabouts

Nuh a quality key defender was really a necessary for HT replacement, Henderson isn't much younger so a young key defender going into his 3rd year would've been perfect list management imo.
We need to stop wasting all our early picks on smalls and find a Taylor.