Realistically no chance.. Maybe we can talk about someone like Hayes ... Not sure but the absolutely most we get is a R2
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Realistically no chance.. Maybe we can talk about someone like Hayes ... Not sure but the absolutely most we get is a R2
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To be honest with his injury history he'd be steak knives in whatever we give them on a trade for Butters or Duursma. Zero chance at getting Rozee. He's already being put on all their branding
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Agreed. Not sure my level of sarcasm translates on a forum
Not sure what we would do under those circumstances.. R2 would be a poor outcome but as with any out of contract player.. options are limited..
Spot on. We should have 4 on our list at a minimum. 2 genuine small forwards are not enough
Let's see in 12 weeks or so, which Key Forwards in the State Leagues who are kicking goals and who are playing well.. And that's how we got Krueger, we must of kept a eye on him threw out the season and got him....
Back in the day when he wanted to be drafted
https://amp.ntnews.com.au/sport/loc...y/news-story/27cf2ac6be5d860d5fd2713e854a3ce8
IV got a very funny feeling he will ask for a trade, ( that's just gut feel, hope I'm wrong ) I can only hope he can get threw injurys as we know he can be a X Factor.
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Oh dear we are going to get well shafted on this one
I'll ask you this... If he did ask for a trade... What would we get in return?
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This one will end in tears if he goes.
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Until Cockatoo plays some games again I’m not going to get upset about the idea of him leaving. We carried way too many players on the list that never played for too long. He has serious talent no doubt but he needs to be able to play games. With the team performing well there is less pressure for them to rush him in. If he can play a series of games through the vfl this year and stay injury free I’d be happy. He would be a fine addition to the side but isn’t irreplaceable.
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Sales pitch is easy. Honestly if we had a quality KPF come in he would play alongside Hawkins and push Ratugolea to vfl then lead the side post Hawkins with Sav.
I get your point and I love cheap moneyball recruiting but A grade key forwards always cost a trade premium thats just how it is. And you can only really draft them with early picks which we really have. So either we moneyball unproven kpfs and hope we do a statistical unlikelihood of turning late picks into A grade KPF or we pony up big time for quality. Theres no third option.
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Hes a decent stoppage based player but ess play a run and gun style that doesnt suit him. I think hed be better in our stoppage based gameplan but hes vanilla and Dodoro would want too much for him.
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Id prefer not to trade him but OOC and injured wed get peanuts like with McCarthy. Rozee Duursma and Butters would be untouchable. Hayes and a swap of picks (say r4 for r3) in our favour is about the best youd get and id reluctantly take that. Id ask about someone like Atley or Drew but i doubt theyd do that.
OOC players that are not main stays really are not worth much ... so players that become GMHBA adds , no matter their talent , become churn. The flip side is other players are cheap as well. I dont think Ports OOC list is that appealing to be honest. I dont know what our plan is for Cockatoo this year but we would be in a lot better position if he came back and played a bit.
Im sure there are quite a few clubs asking their RM... why didnt we draft Sydney Stack ? For him to be totally passed over says a lot about how clubs dont rate players totally by what they see on field.
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Was thinking on Melb's choice to trade Hogan... I think Melb have a range of issues but they traded Hogan for P6 and for P23 (>P27 Tom Sparrow). Hogan had his issues and it was understandable that the trade happened.
The choice to then on trade P6 for May and Kade Kolo is a choice I think was poor and very much about now. Goody says its a 10 year horizon to see if its a good choice .. for Hogan maybe ..but the one to spend P6 on May .. who would have been a FA at the end of 2019 was extremely short sighted imo.
Its an example of PreAgency by GoldCoast that was very good and brave trading by GC..by Melb they paid heavy for the 20 plus games they would get from May in 2019. Then when he turned up in poor shape they dumped him in mud..by making his fitness public info ..which I think was really a sign they were really aware of how tenuous the trade was.. Its not our fault he turned up unfit. Rip into him behind walls but in public I cant see any positives that come out of dropping him in it. Does it make May play better for them..or happier etc?
So if we (GFC) ..as a club that tends to be very aware of the now ..have a chance to trade for a Pre Agent .. I hope weigh it very carefully. Melb really should have Ben King on their list atm imo. That choice will burn for 10 years if King becomes the player expected.
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Off field nuffy. No one wanted to touch him.
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Yes...apparently had some significant issues off field.....there's risk involved taking those types of kids......\\
Some work out well....others don't....let's hope for Stack's sake, he can move on from those days and forge a good career in the AFL.
Looks like he's got some talent all right...
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Based on the Lincoln McCarthy and Gary Rohan trades about pick 60. Would bot be happy about that one
Yes I have heard Sumich talk about him... but still ..., I guess we come back in year or two and see if he has handled it...
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/810cef6a6f18d0553b3fd2f8810fcba5
The final straw for one club came when Sydney Stack failed to show up for work.
Stack had last year started a bank traineeship in Perth, but his sudden no-show was enough for this club’s recruiting team.
“You’re just thinking, ‘Gee whiz mate, footy is a grind. You can’t just not turn up whenever you feel like it’,” the recruiting chief said.
“You obviously start asking: ‘How will he go meeting the requirements and punctuality at AFL level?”
In a year in which Stack was turfed from the AFL Academy, kicked out of the WA State Academy, stood down for the first game of the under 18 championships and lost his licence, AFL clubs assessing his draft worth didn’t need Sherlock Holmes to discover his wayward nature.
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Rival recruiters contacted by the Herald Sun praised Richmond for taking the risk they were never going to.
“I still remember when he left our interview thinking, ‘S. t i’d love to take a punt on this kid’. You realised footy could change his life, but we didn’t have the foundations set up enough to support him off-field,” one talent spotter said.
“It’s not a cheap exercise relocating a kid and you’re trying to evaluate where will they live and who will they mix with. There’s a lot that goes into it.
“Full credit to Richmond … but keep in mind they’ve got 100,000 members so budget isn’t such a big deal. For other clubs you’re weighing up risk versus reward.
“You hope it does all hold together because if it’s not footy there is no future for this kid. He’s not going to become a builder or something like that because he lacks the discipline.”
One club’s list manager said: “He’s at the lower end in terms of his IQ off-field, but there was never any doubting his IQ on-field.
“You have to be able to sit back and ask, ‘Does the talent stack up and is the off-field stuff going to affect the on-field?
“You then have to assess your own club. Have we got the resources to give this a chance?
“This is where Richmond have done really well. They’ve clearly put things in place to minimise that risk.”
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It may be that he goes for a pick we may not even want to use... how many spots will we have this year... we have R1,R2,R3 this year ... and if we get a couple of picks in for Kelly something in the 60's may well be useless.
That's... ... ouch!
Could be a long list of outs at the end of this year.
Scott Selwood and Zac Smith would be certain departures. Harry and GAJ are possible retirements (though I think Gary will go on). It's tough to see how Bews and Henderson will get back in the side and they are out of contract at the end of the year, and there's possible departures in Buzza, Jones and Cunico.
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No way would we be getting rid of Bews.
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