Rumour GFC 2019 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists.

[CatToTheFuture]

What do we think of Dowling in the VFL ... looks a nice neat kick...

Isn't this our year to recruit from the wafl? Being an odd numbered year and all. Maybe Marlion Pickett being taken in the mid-season draft broke our momentum

Atkins 2018
Kelly 2017
Stewart 2016
Menegola 2015

 

[Turbocat]

Isn't this our year to recruit from the wafl? Being an odd numbered year and all. Maybe Marlion Pickett being taken in the mid-season draft broke our momentum

Atkins 2018
Kelly 2017
Stewart 2016
Menegola 2015

Jezza Goddard is ruck in the wafl

 

[Shai]

If we were to give any thing significant for a Goldstein trade I would be like Talking Heads



He (Goldstein) has had a good year, so has 'Big Boy', both of them looked way off in '18.

 

[foxdog50]

If we were to give any thing significant for a Goldstein trade I would be like Talking Heads



He (Goldstein) has had a good year, so has 'Big Boy', both of them looked way off in '18.

Take a Snickers mate... His a free agent

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Jezza Goddard is ruck in the wafl

21 year old 200+cm tapping 50 hitouts in the wafl? Welcome to Geelong Jez

 

[foxdog50]

Jezza Goddard is ruck in the wafl

I love giving state level players chance playing for our great club, I'm a big fan of them but our history in picking State League Ruckman not the best lately.
Stephenson Big O
Fort ( don't want to rite him of yet )

 

[Biscut]

Adelaide Top 5 Mids:

Sloane: 183 CM
M Crouch 182 CM
B Crouch 187 CM
Gibbs 188 CM
Greenwood 191 CM

Average Height: 186.2 CM

Brisbane Top 5 Mids:

Neale 176 CM
Zorko 175 CM
M Robinson 185 CM
Lyons 184 CM
McLuggage 187 CM

Average Height: 181.5 CM

Carlton Top 5 Mids:

Cripps 193 CM
Murphy 180 CM
E. Curnow 181 CM
Walsh 184 CM
Fisher 177 CM

Average Height: 183.0 CM

Collingwood Top 5 Mids:

Treloar 182 CM
Adams 181 CM
Sidebottom 184 CM
Pendlebury 191 CM
Beams 185 CM

Average Height: 184.6 CM

Essendon Top 5 Mids:

Smith: 174 CM
Merrett: 180 CM
Shiel: 182 CM
Heppell: 189 CM
McGrath: 179 CM/Parish: 181 CM

Average Height: 180.8 CM

Fremantle Top 5 Mids:

Fyfe: 189 CM
Mundy: 192 CM
Walters: 177 CM
B Hill: 179 CM
Andy Brayshaw: 184 CM

Average Height: 182.2 CM

GC Top 5 Mids:

Miller: 178 CM
Fiorini: 186 CM
Miles: 180 CM
Ainsworth: 178 CM
Swallow: 185 CM

Average Height: 181.4 CM

Geelong Top 5 Mids:

Selwood: 183 CM
Kelly: 182 CM
Danger: 189 CM
Duncan: 188 CM
C. Guthrie: 187 CM

Average Height: 185.8 CM

GWS Top 5 Mids:

Coniglio: 181 CM
J. Kelly: 184 CM
Ward: 187 CM
Taranto: 187 CM
Hopper: 187 CM/Whitfield: 187 CM

Average Height: 185.5 CM

Hawthorn Top 5 Mids:

Mitchell: 181 CM
O'Meara: 183 CM
Worpel: 185 CM
Shiels: 184 CM
Wingard: 183 CM/Scully: 181 CM

Average Height: 182.8 CM

Melbourne Top 5 Mids:

Viney: 178 CM
Oliver: 187 CM
Angus Brayshaw: 187 CM
Harmes: 185 CM
Jones: 180 CM

Average Height: 183.4 CM

North Melbourne Top 5 Mids:

Ziebell: 188 CM
Cunnington: 185 CM
Anderson: 179 CM
Higgins: 184 CM
Dumont: 186 CM

Average Height: 184.4 CM

Port Adelaide Top 5 Mids:

Boak: 183 CM
Rockliff: 183 CM
Robbie Gray: 183 CM
Wines: 187 CM
Powell-Pepper: 187 CM/Houston: 186 CM

Average Height: 184.8 CM

Richmond Top 5 Mids:

Martin: 187 CM
Cotchin: 185 CM
Prestia: 175 CM
Lambert: 178 CM
Edwards: 182 CM/Bolton: 175 CM

Average Height: 180.3 CM

St Kilda Top 5 Mids:

Billings: 185 CM
Steven: 180 CM
Hannebery: 181 CM
Gresham: 179 CM
Ross: 188 CM/Steele 187CM

Average Height: 183.3 CM

Sydney Top 5 Mids:

JPK: 189 CM
Heeney: 186 CM
Parker: 183 CM
Hewett: 187 CM
Z. Jones: 181 CM

Average Height: 185.2 CM

West Coast Top 5 Mids:

Gaff: 182 CM
Shuey: 183 CM
Sheed: 185 CM
Yeo: 190 CM
Redden: 190 CM

Average Height: 186.0 CM

Bulldogs Top 5 Mids:

Macrae: 191 CM
Dunkley: 190 CM
Bont: 193 CM
Libba: 183 CM
Hunter: 183 CM

Average Height: 188.0 CM

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Now of course this is slightly subjective, but it's a rough approximation of the 5 best mids in each side, that would attend the most CBA's in a game.

Adding all the above team averages together and then dividing by 18, we get -

Average Player Height (amongst best 5 mids in each team)= 183.84 CM

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Parfitt and Narkle are both 180 CM and both Brisbane and Richmond (in the top 4) are 181.5 and 180.3 CM averages respectively. The average player height back in 2009 was 188 CM, with that figure closer to 189 or 190 CM now. You can actually make the argument that being much taller than 184 CM, actually means you're less likely to be one of the the more elite mids in the comp. We also have one of the taller averages in the comp, for all those banging on about 'drafting another 180 CM mid.'

No way Shiel is 182cm. I was talking to him last year in Sydney, and I was not looking up into his eyes, if anything I’d say he’s slightly smaller than me and I stand 176cm.

 

[Turbocat]

I love giving state level players chance playing for our great club, I'm a big fan of them but our history in picking State League Ruckman not the best lately.
Stephenson Big O
Fort ( don't want to rite him of yet )

At least he is the right age and height ... I haven't seen much vision since his champ days... if you want a tap ruckman he is it.. what he is like around the ground... no idea .. and we seem preoccupied with that..so he may not be our type..

 

[CatToTheFuture]

At least he is the right age and height ... I haven't seen much vision since his champ days... if you want a tap ruckman he is it.. what he is like around the ground... no idea .. and we seem preoccupied with that..so he may not be our type..

The average 9 disposals doesn't scream ground level effectiveness but the age, dimensions, and hitout numbers seem like a decent base to develop from

 

[Turbocat]

The average 9 disposals doesn't scream ground level effectiveness but the age, dimensions, and hitout numbers seem like a decent base to develop from

He would be a late pick so hardly costly ... my preference would be to pay a bit more for a better potential player if possible ... obviously if they have not been drafted originally they had stuff to work on. We have Stanley and Fort for another year .. so we have plenty of backup ..what we need to do is just bed down someone for 3 years time .. so best to do that with the best assets to build on.

 

[Shadow89]

No way Shiel is 182cm. I was talking to him last year in Sydney, and I was not looking up into his eyes, if anything I’d say he’s slightly smaller than me and I stand 176cm.

Hey I have no idea if the listed heights are accurate, just that that's what they're listed as on footywire and Essendon's webpage. I'd personally say he's around 178-180 (same as Zach Merrett, as I think he might be less than listed). I also think Gaz is not 182 either, but who knows

 

[CatRiot]

Adelaide Top 5 Mids:

Sloane: 183 CM
M Crouch 182 CM
B Crouch 187 CM
Gibbs 188 CM
Greenwood 191 CM

Average Height: 186.2 CM

Brisbane Top 5 Mids:

Neale 176 CM
Zorko 175 CM
M Robinson 185 CM
Lyons 184 CM
McLuggage 187 CM

Average Height: 181.5 CM

Carlton Top 5 Mids:

Cripps 193 CM
Murphy 180 CM
E. Curnow 181 CM
Walsh 184 CM
Fisher 177 CM

Average Height: 183.0 CM

Collingwood Top 5 Mids:

Treloar 182 CM
Adams 181 CM
Sidebottom 184 CM
Pendlebury 191 CM
Beams 185 CM

Average Height: 184.6 CM

Essendon Top 5 Mids:

Smith: 174 CM
Merrett: 180 CM
Shiel: 182 CM
Heppell: 189 CM
McGrath: 179 CM/Parish: 181 CM

Average Height: 180.8 CM

Fremantle Top 5 Mids:

Fyfe: 189 CM
Mundy: 192 CM
Walters: 177 CM
B Hill: 179 CM
Andy Brayshaw: 184 CM

Average Height: 182.2 CM

GC Top 5 Mids:

Miller: 178 CM
Fiorini: 186 CM
Miles: 180 CM
Ainsworth: 178 CM
Swallow: 185 CM

Average Height: 181.4 CM

Geelong Top 5 Mids:

Selwood: 183 CM
Kelly: 182 CM
Danger: 189 CM
Duncan: 188 CM
C. Guthrie: 187 CM

Average Height: 185.8 CM

GWS Top 5 Mids:

Coniglio: 181 CM
J. Kelly: 184 CM
Ward: 187 CM
Taranto: 187 CM
Hopper: 187 CM/Whitfield: 187 CM

Average Height: 185.5 CM

Hawthorn Top 5 Mids:

Mitchell: 181 CM
O'Meara: 183 CM
Worpel: 185 CM
Shiels: 184 CM
Wingard: 183 CM/Scully: 181 CM

Average Height: 182.8 CM

Melbourne Top 5 Mids:

Viney: 178 CM
Oliver: 187 CM
Angus Brayshaw: 187 CM
Harmes: 185 CM
Jones: 180 CM

Average Height: 183.4 CM

North Melbourne Top 5 Mids:

Ziebell: 188 CM
Cunnington: 185 CM
Anderson: 179 CM
Higgins: 184 CM
Dumont: 186 CM

Average Height: 184.4 CM

Port Adelaide Top 5 Mids:

Boak: 183 CM
Rockliff: 183 CM
Robbie Gray: 183 CM
Wines: 187 CM
Powell-Pepper: 187 CM/Houston: 186 CM

Average Height: 184.8 CM

Richmond Top 5 Mids:

Martin: 187 CM
Cotchin: 185 CM
Prestia: 175 CM
Lambert: 178 CM
Edwards: 182 CM/Bolton: 175 CM

Average Height: 180.3 CM

St Kilda Top 5 Mids:

Billings: 185 CM
Steven: 180 CM
Hannebery: 181 CM
Gresham: 179 CM
Ross: 188 CM/Steele 187CM

Average Height: 183.3 CM

Sydney Top 5 Mids:

JPK: 189 CM
Heeney: 186 CM
Parker: 183 CM
Hewett: 187 CM
Z. Jones: 181 CM

Average Height: 185.2 CM

West Coast Top 5 Mids:

Gaff: 182 CM
Shuey: 183 CM
Sheed: 185 CM
Yeo: 190 CM
Redden: 190 CM

Average Height: 186.0 CM

Bulldogs Top 5 Mids:

Macrae: 191 CM
Dunkley: 190 CM
Bont: 193 CM
Libba: 183 CM
Hunter: 183 CM

Average Height: 188.0 CM

*********************

Now of course this is slightly subjective, but it's a rough approximation of the 5 best mids in each side, that would attend the most CBA's in a game.

Adding all the above team averages together and then dividing by 18, we get -

Average Player Height (amongst best 5 mids in each team)= 183.84 CM

**********************

Parfitt and Narkle are both 180 CM and both Brisbane and Richmond (in the top 4) are 181.5 and 180.3 CM averages respectively. The average player height back in 2009 was 188 CM, with that figure closer to 189 or 190 CM now. You can actually make the argument that being much taller than 184 CM, actually means you're less likely to be one of the the more elite mids in the comp. We also have one of the taller averages in the comp, for all those banging on about 'drafting another 180 CM mid.'

Interesting analysis.
The interesting thing with Lions too, is that McLuggage their tallest is probably more an outside midfielder too atm...
I think people get caught up with the bigger inside midfielders because they have a tendency to look more powerful at the stoppages, but sometimes that can be an illusion... Just like a full moon in the horizon, always looks bigger, lol.

 

[CatRiot]

You know what, imagine getting 2 first rounders for TK, plus our existing first rounder and our second rounder and we could pick up:

Luke Jackson
Jeremy Sharp
Cooper Stephens
Cameron Taheny

They will all be in range with Late First Round to Second Round!?

Ruck, Outside Class, General Midfielder, Best medium forward... That's a decent draft haul.

If we can win a Flag this year, I'd be okay with a TK trade and list cull and get some genuine young guns in for a quick rebuild.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You know what, imagine getting 2 first rounders for TK, plus our existing first rounder and our second rounder and we could pick up:

Luke Jackson
Jeremy Sharp
Cooper Stephens
Cameron Taheny

They will all be in range with Late First Round to Second Round!?

Ruck, Outside Class, General Midfielder, Best medium forward... That's a decent draft haul.

If we can win a Flag this year, I'd be okay with a TK trade and list cull and get some genuine young guns in for a quick rebuild.

Sharp is looking like a top 10 I think, and isn't Taheny a defender?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He would be a late pick so hardly costly ... my preference would be to pay a bit more for a better potential player if possible ... obviously if they have not been drafted originally they had stuff to work on. We have Stanley and Fort for another year .. so we have plenty of backup ..what we need to do is just bed down someone for 3 years time .. so best to do that with the best assets to build on.

Probably more to build on than our other depth ruck options but we'd need the Goldstein rumour to be true and for Goldy to be fit for the next 3 years at least

 

[Grav]

Sorry for the intrusion guys, was wondering why Buzza is languishing in the two’s ? In this day & age with the way ruckman have more mobility, wouldn’t he be an ideal back up? Hope my curiosity doesn’t kill the Cat.
Good luck in the finals guys, you’ve been a champion team for a number of years.

 

[catempire]

Sorry for the intrusion guys, was wondering why Buzza is languishing in the two’s ? In this day & age with the way ruckman have more mobility, wouldn’t he be an ideal back up? Hope my curiosity doesn’t kill the Cat.
Good luck in the finals guys, you’ve been a champion team for a number of years.

He’s not much of a ruckman. More an ordinary forward who can pinch hit in the ruck.

 

[foxdog50]

Sorry for the intrusion guys, was wondering why Buzza is languishing in the two’s ? In this day & age with the way ruckman have more mobility, wouldn’t he be an ideal back up? Hope my curiosity doesn’t kill the Cat.
Good luck in the finals guys, you’ve been a champion team for a number of years.

As we have a silly match committee that not giving him much of a go and what his like... He should of played a few games this year when Sav was injured. As he is competing for Esava spot. Key Forward that can pinch in the ruck to give the ruck a spell...
I'd love to give him another 1 year contract as he is a key forward and they do take a bit longer to develop and he didn't start playing the game till 16

 

[Down at K Park]

As we have a silly match committee that not giving him much of a go and what his like... He should of played a few games this year when Sav was injured. As he is competing for Esava spot. Key Forward that can pinch in the ruck to give the ruck a spell...
I'd love to give him another 1 year contract as he is a key forward and they do take a bit longer to develop and he didn't start playing the game till 16

Mobility and lack of forward pressure probably. I could only see him getting a game if hawkins was out.

Hawkins forward pressure is actually pretty good for a big man. His pressure ratings are good.

 

[Turbocat]

If we were to give any thing significant for a Goldstein trade I would be like Talking Heads



He (Goldstein) has had a good year, so has 'Big Boy', both of them looked way off in '18.

I think half the attraction is him being a FA .. so it would be Smith out and him in , and dollars

 

[Turbocat]

Sorry for the intrusion guys, was wondering why Buzza is languishing in the two’s ? In this day & age with the way ruckman have more mobility, wouldn’t he be an ideal back up? Hope my curiosity doesn’t kill the Cat.
Good luck in the finals guys, you’ve been a champion team for a number of years.

I dont think he has rucked that much this year.. we have had several talls in our VFL sides... Abbott , Smith , Fort and Stanley have all played VFL .. so Buzza has mainly played as a KPF.. and hasn't been picked in spite of fairly consistent form. I doubt he is at Geelong next year.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Sorry for the intrusion guys, was wondering why Buzza is languishing in the two’s ? In this day & age with the way ruckman have more mobility, wouldn’t he be an ideal back up? Hope my curiosity doesn’t kill the Cat.
Good luck in the finals guys, you’ve been a champion team for a number of years.

He's done enough to have earnt a call up. Just not able to push past the other candidates. I think he should be given another year as this has been clearly his best year to date and he looks like he's ready to become solid depth for the squad, but given he hasn't been given a run is say he's out. Shame

 

[Turbocat]

Hes one of the best rucks available and he's FA so costs no picks which is probably the appeal.

Is GSt the best option available? If so it really says a lot about how poor we have been in managing our rucks. I strongly suspect when the season is done..we will again look at our rucks and and say we have frittered away another chance due to obstinance..

We simply must add someone that has some youth about him..someone who has the attribute require and probably the attributes that the MC like... if he is 2-3 years off playing it will not matter..

I will say ..maybe we are lucky ..or clever the way we added Krueger. This years crop is devoid of potential KPF stars.. and I though we were in dire need.. mow the need for KP talent forward or back is there but not as keen. Unless we can turn Schlensog etc in a def tall , perhaps even or need for a player capable of KPD . We do tend to like value at the def end... so id not be surprised if we see a mature over looked type somewhere.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

He will not get the dollars with us... he will drop at stk imo.

Wed have a lot of money set aside for TK so we could pay Hill well if we wanted.

 

[Turbocat]

Wed have a lot of money set aside for TK so we could pay Hill well if we wanted.

There maybe someone else chewing up dollars I doubt we dump 900 on Hill. Gst will want some... Bulldogs board think we are into Jenkins... im not sure who but would it really surprise if we suddenly go for a big dollar 26 year old player ... we love instant gratification..