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Down at K Park said:
They had to clear out a heap of space just to fit under the cap. No way they have much money to throw at free agents. Might be able to get someone at the 300-400k level, but that's about it.
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Yes thats what I assumed but I don't they could really be that dumb. There is more going on with this story and I wonder if its clearing room for next year.
 
ibuprofen said:
Yes thats what I assumed but I don't they could really be that dumb. There is more going on with this story and I wonder if its clearing room for next year.
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They were paying average players big money. Yes, they can be that dumb.

They are so desperate they are rumoured to be paying 1.5 million of Treloars salary over the next 5 years.
 
ibuprofen said:
The player I'd be targeting now is Oscar McDonald. Only 24. Fair chance to be a delisted free agent. Not a bad stop gap if we need a big defender. Also mature enough and young enough where (if he works out) he could be a part of the now and part of the future.
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Agree I think he’d be a good pickup to help out if needed. Not a star but he can play a role and would be better out of the demons.
 

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Ruck is the word. ... Neale , Heath , Walsh seem to be the top options....


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DOMINANT rucks often find themselves sliding come draft time, or bolting right to the top should there be a lack of them in the relevant crop. While the key position stocks in this year’s cohort look promising, the search for a pure ruck who can develop quickly at the elite level is often a careful process.

In ramping up our 2020 AFL Draft analysis, Draft Central continues its line-by-line positional breakdowns, moving on to the best ruck prospects. The following list features pocket profiles of top-age (2002-born) prospects who are part of their respective AFL Academy hubs, while also touching on some names who missed out last year, have improved greatly, or may feature on another list.

Not all of them currently have the opportunity to show their worth on the field, but exposed form and long preseasons for most allow for a window into how the current stocks stack up. There are plenty of steep improvers, so without further ado, get to know some of the premier ruckmen eligible to be drafted in 2020.

Note: The list is ordered alphabetically, not by any form of ranking.

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Felix Flockart
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
5/11/2001 | 200cm | 79kg

One of the many types on this list to fall under the late bloomer category, Flockart was all set for a berth in the Sandringham Dragons program in 2020. The over-age prospect was also aligned to the Sandringham VFL squad, having been granted the opportunity on the back of some promising form with Brighton Grammar last year. He may prove a slow burner, but is quite athletic and obviously raw with such a lean frame. He is a talented sportsman overall who boasts strong hands on the footy field, and can adapt to a variety of key position roles if required.

Max Heath
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro
24/10/2002 | 202cm | 89kg

Another big improver out of the Sandringham Dragons region, Heath proved during a couple of big preseason digs that his is primed to take over as a primary ruck in each side he represents. His APS and NAB League duties may have been put on hold for now, but Heath has impressed enough to suggest he may well be the premier pure ruck option heading into the 2020 draft. He can also move forward and take strong grabs when not muscling through his ruck duties. Don’t let his current record of one NAB League appearance in 2019 put you off, Heath is the real deal.

Kalin Lane
Claremont/Western Australia
5/12/2001 | 202cm | 89kg

While others on this list are bolters in their own right, Lane is the utter definition of it having been selected in the 2020 AFL Academy after just one WAFL Colts outing last year. The 202cm bigman has already achieved double that tally in this year’s competition, benefitting greatly from simply being able to show his worth on the field. As an over-ager, he already boasts a solid frame but is far from the lumbering type, able to impact at the drop of the ball and follow up his ruckwork. With 16 disposals and 29 hitouts in his most recent appearance, Lane seems to be gaining confidence and should push strongly for draft contention.

Shannon Neale
South Fremantle/Western Australia
25/07/2002 | 201cm | 86kg

Neale has come on strongly over the past year or so; impressing as an over-ager among Western Australia’s Under 16 squad, before running out on the MCG in last year’s Under 17 Futures All Star showcase. He’s an athletic type, able to use his leap in the ruck while also taking high marks when stationed up forward. Neale’s ability to interchange between either position is a not towards his versatility, with his kicking another bonus which has contributed to a steep rate of development. He has made a steady start to this year’s WAFL Colts season, particularly with 15 disposals, seven marks, 15 hitouts, and a goal in Round 1.

Zac Phillips
WWT Eagles/South Australia
15/08/2002 | 200cm | 80kg

A leader for Woodville-West Torrens in the SANFL Under 18s, Phillips is another who is set to benefit from simply being afforded some exposure in 2020. As a primary ruck option, the tall and lean Eagle has averaged 25.5 hitouts across his four games this season, while also contributing around the ground with a tick over 11 disposals per outing. When stationed up forward, Phillips is able to meet the ball at its highest point on the lead and contribute goals to his side’s effort. He looks to be working on his hits to advantage and bodywork at stoppages, which will make him a more well-rounded ruck prospect. Some more polished decision making and disposal will also aid that factor.

Henry Walsh
Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
27/06/2002 | 202cm | 86kg

The brother of 2019 AFL Rising Star, Sam is a much different prospect, but is coming along nicely as he continues to work on his game. While is already quite adept in terms of ruck craft, the Geelong Falcons prospect is improving his running and ability to impact around the ground. Walsh looks to have benefitted from being afforded an extended run in the NAB League last year, with 13 games already under his belt, as well as an Under 18 National Championships appearance for Vic Country. He is currently plying his trade for Cobden in the Hampden League, and has experienced a taste of AFL standards having trained with Carlton during the off-season.
 
Lana said:
Some clubs have their players salary tied to a % of the cap and others in fixed amounts. When the TPP increased after the last collective bargaining agreement, some clubs did really well as the increase was more then they had budgeted for. Now it looks like Collingwood as been burnt with the expected drop in TPP.
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I could appreciate that but I don't think the drop in cap is necessarily the issue as there would be multiple teams in that position, there is something far more going on here. It might not even be cap related.

I also don't think the AFL would hang teams out to dry because of a cap reduction. If anything I could see the AFL saying okay well your only over the cap because of covid, don't worry about it. The $2m figure that they have dropped is a massive amount and just doesn't make sense.

I just don't see how they miscalculate by $2m.
 
Down at K Park said:
They were paying average players big money. Yes, they can be that dumb.

They are so desperate they are rumoured to be paying 1.5 million of Treloars salary over the next 5 years.
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That is paying the price... they should have let Grundy go... maybe even Moore.. they must have know they were in trouble
 
ibuprofen said:
The player I'd be targeting now is Oscar McDonald. Only 24. Fair chance to be a delisted free agent. Not a bad stop gap if we need a big defender. Also mature enough and young enough where (if he works out) he could be a part of the now and part of the future.
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He sucks lol
 
ibuprofen said:
I could appreciate that but I don't think the drop in cap is necessarily the issue as there would be multiple teams in that position, there is something far more going on here. It might not even be cap related.

I also don't think the AFL would hang teams out to dry because of a cap reduction. If anything I could see the AFL saying okay well your only over the cap because of covid, don't worry about it. The $2m figure that they have dropped is a massive amount and just doesn't make sense.
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I think they have been given a bit of leeway on Beams. The backending of Treloar multiple times appears to be poor tactically. ..but over all. ..have they just paid their guys too much. Stephenson on 600?
 
"Brander is set to join Geelong for a future 2nd round pick. Both teams have agreed to the deal."

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thecatattack said:
He sucks lol
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At the moment he is a better footballer than anything we have to play the Taylor role even part time. He was actually reasonable before a mini implosion at Melbourne a couple of years ago which I think is just as much about personnel decisions they made. I think he is one who we could possible get far improved productivity out of. Not aiming to be a star, a role player. A stop gap.
 
ibuprofen said:
I could appreciate that but I don't think the drop in cap is necessarily the issue as there would be multiple teams in that position, there is something far more going on here. It might not even be cap related.

I also don't think the AFL would hang teams out to dry because of a cap reduction. If anything I could see the AFL saying okay well your only over the cap because of covid, don't worry about it. The $2m figure that they have dropped is a massive amount and just doesn't make sense.

I just don't see how they miscalculate by $2m.
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Teams have been able to bank a maximum of 10% of the cap over two years. So poorer performing teams would have had money in reserve. Collingwood isn't the only team to dump players, GWS has lost 5. Essendon lost a lot of quality(relative to their list). Teams have been willing to dump contracted depth players for salary cap relief.

IMO, the $1.3 million drop in cap is the difference between them losing just Phillips as opposed to Treloar, Stephenson and Phillips.
 

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ibuprofen said:
At the moment he is a better footballer than anything we have to play the Taylor role even part time. He was actually reasonable before a mini implosion at Melbourne a couple of years ago which I think is just as much about personnel decisions they made. I think he is one who we could possible get far improved productivity out of. Not aiming to be a star, a role player. A stop gap.
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He's not better than Blitz if we send him back.
 
BORIS332 said:
HS reported that we had the option to keep pick 20 in our Cameron trade but felt it would slip to p25 with all the bids this year. So Wells decided to trade it to get a 2nd round back next year. That's smart trading, imo.
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We got 2 back right?

Unless it was originally 13 and 15 for Cameron and a 2nd.
 
BigCat1 said:
Eddie literally said this morning when talking about their mess.

"All we talk about is Collingwood. I mean we still haven't had one conversation about Geelong and whether they paid way to much for Cameron. I mean a million bucks for a 29 year old. Sold their future"

He is literally a flog of the very highest order. Answered no questions, blindly said the club was right and tried to kick under clubs under the bus. Pathetic.
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I can't believe we're paying 46 year old Jeremy Cameron 2 million dollars a year, what an awful trade
 
BORIS332 said:
HS reported that we had the option to keep pick 20 in our Cameron trade but felt it would slip to p25 with all the bids this year. So Wells decided to trade it to get a 2nd round back next year. That's smart trading, imo.
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So GWS originally agreed two 13 and 15 with a second rounder coming back like he proposed a few days ago?
 

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BigCat1 said:
Wells just said it best. Said we were never paying 3 picks. Said the picks for next year and getting out of this draft made a whole lot of sense.

Said there will be good players no doubt but they will be harder to find.

Said Jeremy Cameron has been extremely nervous the last few days
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Is there a link to this interview from wells?
 
ibuprofen said:
The player I'd be targeting now is Oscar McDonald. Only 24. Fair chance to be a delisted free agent. Not a bad stop gap if we need a big defender. Also mature enough and young enough where (if he works out) he could be a part of the now and part of the future.
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Next rivers? Zero outlay trade
 
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