Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt2

[cats_09]

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[Turbocat]

I reckon henry would have been one although we may well get him back in 2 years. The rest of what was picked where we gave up picks doesnt excite me-most of 10-30 range were quite spec picks on the night so i dont think we gave up much for cameron. What we needed in terms of young talent was KPP and ruck and the former all the good ones went by pick 10 and the latter is hopefully Neale.

I think thats reasonable... we will not know for sometime .. Ford and Carroll and ODriscoll even someone like Edwards who somehow has lost a lost of value compared to predictions a season or so ago. ... but generally when we look down the list , there is plenty of dice rolls.

I maintain more than one particular role our most dire need is an extreme young talent , the type of obvious talent gained from an early pick. Its why I hope we look at the likes of Flanders etc , if Ash does not resign id be willing to try to get him and yes a gun tall. Maybe we get lucky , we have enough height ..its only a matter of if they 'become"

 

[Partridge]

I'm really concerned for the people that spend a ridiculous amount of time looking at draftees and then get everything wrong.
Including as it happened on draft night.

I’m not concerned. I find it hilarious.

The absolute certainty. Every pick is good. Especially the “I’m comfortable with that” statements, which is reassuring because it would be hard to sleep at night otherwise.

Then, in a year or two or three when they’re cut loose, repeat the process for the next batch. And successs is always in the future, so you can’t be wrong.

No wonder it’s popular.

 

[year of the cat]

I’m not concerned. I find it hilarious.

The absolute certainty. Every pick is good. Especially the “I’m comfortable with that” statements, which is reassuring because it would be hard to sleep at night otherwise.

Then, in a year or two or three when they’re cut loose, repeat the process for the next batch. And successs is always in the future, so you can’t be wrong.

No wonder it’s popular.

I’m guilty as charged. It’s funny but I reckon for me it started when I was about 10-11 years old - I loved writing “best 20” teams as they were circa 1980 and drive my younger brother mad talking about whether a half back line of B.Nankervis, P.Jeffreys, B.Toohey was the best we could do etc etc It almost became a relaxation exercise that continued throughout my teens and adulthood.

When the draft came it provided another level of intrigue to the “puzzle” of building a team. I’ve always, from my armchair (!), having access to 1/100 of the info the recruiters have available, imagined who I would pick in the draft, who I’d trade/delist and what type of player/s I’d look to trade for or draft. It’s sort of a secret pleasure that I have in an otherwise normal life! Feel like a complete dork but who cares?

Funnily enough, whilst I get most wrong, occasionally I would make a decision that, with the wisdom of hindsight, would have been better than the player Wells called out. And I kid myself that I should give up my day job, call Wells, and offer my learned opinion.

 

[catswhiskers]

I’m not concerned. I find it hilarious.

The absolute certainty. Every pick is good. Especially the “I’m comfortable with that” statements, which is reassuring because it would be hard to sleep at night otherwise.

Then, in a year or two or three when they’re cut loose, repeat the process for the next batch. And successs is always in the future, so you can’t be wrong.

No wonder it’s popular.

Isn't that human nature? People with a positive outlook will place a positive spin on the events that unfold.

I would find it hard to remain on this board (and probably doing many other things I enjoy ) if my first responses were naturally negative.

Even then, plenty like me who take an interest in the kids development will call a player as "done". In one of my assessments of who would be delisted recently I had Simpson on the list. Positivity had turned to pessimism. I thought Miers after his first half dozen games in the twos was way off, only to see him step up big time at the the start of the next season.

Can't win.

 

[longtimecat]

I’m guilty as charged. It’s funny but I reckon for me it started when I was about 10-11 years old - I loved writing “best 20” teams as they were circa 1980 and drive my younger brother mad talking about whether a half back line of B.Nankervis, P.Jeffreys, B.Toohey was the best we could do etc etc It almost became a relaxation exercise that continued throughout my teens and adulthood.

When the draft came it provided another level of intrigue to the “puzzle” of building a team. I’ve always, from my armchair (!), having access to 1/100 of the info the recruiters have available, imagined who I would pick in the draft, who I’d trade/delist and what type of player/s I’d look to trade for or draft. It’s sort of a secret pleasure that I have in an otherwise normal life! Feel like a complete dork but who cares?

Funnily enough, whilst I get most wrong, occasionally I would make a decision that, with the wisdom of hindsight, would have been better than the player Wells called out. And I kid myself that I should give up my day job, call Wells, and offer my learned opinion.

I think most is us are guilty of the same thing

 

[Turbocat]

Isn't that human nature? People with a positive outlook will place a positive spin on the events that unfold.

I would find it hard to remain on this board (and probably doing many other things I enjoy ) if my first responses were naturally negative.

Even then, plenty like me who take an interest in the kids development will call a player as "done". In one of my assessments of who would be delisted recently I had Simpson on the list. Positivity had turned to pessimism. I thought Miers after his first half dozen games in the twos was way off, only to see him step up big time at the the start of the next season.

Can't win.

People are all different and one can only speak for themselves ... some are optimistic some are pessimistic .... and both attitudes can motivate... I think Glen Archer said he used fear as a motivation. .. and thats for something that one can contribute to the outcome. On here we at the window on 6th floor watching the traffic. We cant control the cars, sometimes we think we can see a crash coming , but I suspect if you watch the traffic enough after a while you know crash or not the cars and the flow wlll continue ..optimistic or pessimistic .

My take on our drafted players ..is. we just have to wait and see. Watch them in a few VFL type games etc. The picks are taken now so one may as well be hopeful for a while..cause if their form is devoid of promise , we will be hearing about it. I suspect our first and second pick are 2023 projects.. both need to be signed to extended contracts asap..because neither will show a lot in their first two years. One doesnt draft players like them and then cut them early ..especially after what we paid for Holmes.

...but all that fits into the way we traded. The guys already on our list will be pushing hard to get debuts. If we see Stephens and Sdek play in 2021 then that would be 5 club debutants. W did not draft for 2021.

Probably now my interest goes to how we make it work in the VFL ..who do sign as VFL players. Do look at the 20-22 types that have missed being drafted .. I suspect the kids who got missed this year will be looked at by clubs with spots. Maher or Lake or player like that might look at clubs with spots.

In the end I like two quote in Lee Child books ..
Hope for the best, plan for the worst and everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth .. apt relevant to the draft imo.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Interesting that none of the GWS players, to me, leave me feeling that we missed out badly by trading out those picks for Cameron. No doubt we would have done things differently. Probably use them on Bruhn, Henry and Holmes. So we got one but had to give up something for it.

Bruhn was their Williams compo pick, we never had a shot

 

[year of the cat]

Bruhn was their Williams compo pick, we never had a shot

Yes, my bad.

 

[dazbroncos]

Im sure Wells and co have already made calls to Bruhn and Henry....

Especially Bruhn.... he wont walk into that GWS side easliy - nor should he - but that builds angst and hardship and it seems kids today generally are a little bit softer than us old pricks are used to... my point being the GFC might as well get some benefit from it and have him come home after 2 years at a discount.

GO Catters

 

[Kitcat]

Im sure Wells and co have already made calls to Bruhn and Henry....

Especially Bruhn.... he wont walk into that GWS side easliy - nor should he - but that builds angst and hardship and it seems kids today generally are a little bit softer than us old pricks are used to... my point being the GFC might as well get some benefit from it and have him come home after 2 years at a discount.

GO Catters

A number of posts have referred to getting Henry and/or Bruhn back after two years, but has Geelong ever got a good local or Falcons player back in this way?

 

[Turbocat]

Im sure Wells and co have already made calls to Bruhn and Henry....

Especially Bruhn.... he wont walk into that GWS side easliy - nor should he - but that builds angst and hardship and it seems kids today generally are a little bit softer than us old pricks are used to... my point being the GFC might as well get some benefit from it and have him come home after 2 years at a discount.

GO Catters

I suspect you and I see it somewhat similar in this respect ..from a pure value cost risk ...its unlikely that they cost more in two years time than they would at draft. Historically , we see players coming ooc and media pundits and clubs all assess the player who has done nothing particularly wrong bar not play immediately see his trade value drop. Caldwell is the latest to show that.. he got traded for..

Caldwell, p44 and p74 <> p29 and a 2021 second round pick.

and having two years at another club a better tougher player

 

[dazbroncos]

A number of posts have referred to getting Henry and/or Bruhn back after two years, but has Geelong ever got a good local or Falcons player back in this way?

Not really.... but its time something like tis went our way.

You mean other than PFD, Hendo etc.... or do you mean draftees just 2 years after drafting initially. Thats what i meant

GO Catters

 

[Kitcat]

Not really.... but its time something like tis went our way.

You mean other than PFD, Hendo etc.... or do you mean draftees just 2 years after drafting initially. Thats what i meant

GO Catters

Yes, I meant players coming back to Geelong 2 years after being drafted.

 

[CatRiot]

A number of posts have referred to getting Henry and/or Bruhn back after two years, but has Geelong ever got a good local or Falcons player back in this way?

Not that I can recall after 2 years, but usually by Free Agency which is much later - Eg. Dahlhaus and Rohan are examples.

 

[cats_09]

Not that I can recall after 2 years, but usually by Free Agency which is much later - Eg. Dahlhaus and Rohan are examples.

Rohan was a trade - he still had a year or so to run on his contract at Sydney, but they wanted him off their books

 

[Turbocat]

A number of posts have referred to getting Henry and/or Bruhn back after two years, but has Geelong ever got a good local or Falcons player back in this way?

In age Caddy was it..but i cant think of a falcon

 

[ibuprofen]

Im sure Wells and co have already made calls to Bruhn and Henry....

Especially Bruhn.... he wont walk into that GWS side easliy - nor should he - but that builds angst and hardship and it seems kids today generally are a little bit softer than us old pricks are used to... my point being the GFC might as well get some benefit from it and have him come home after 2 years at a discount.

GO Catters

A bit presumptuous that we'd want either in two years.

Reality is that one of the two will probably being looking like a failure in two years statistically. Not suggesting which one, just that a lot of kids drafted don't come on. Just like a couple of our kids likely won't come on.

Both just need to work their asses off and become good players and let the rest take its course.

 

[CatRiot]

Just some light reading, apparently we were into Isaac Smith

7

Isaac Smith

Age

36

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

in his draft year. But looks like we went for Billie Smedts

Billie Smedts

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.1

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

first, doh.

AFL: Cats may draft North Ballarat's Isaac Smith

SPECULATION is mounting that North Ballarat premiership player Isaac Smith might be drafted by Geelong.

www.thecourier.com.au

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Just some light reading, apparently we were into Isaac Smith

7

Isaac Smith

Age

36

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

in his draft year. But looks like we went for Billie Smedts

Billie Smedts

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.1

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

first, doh.

AFL: Cats may draft North Ballarat's Isaac Smith

SPECULATION is mounting that North Ballarat premiership player Isaac Smith might be drafted by Geelong.

www.thecourier.com.au

I remember calling for him over smedts on draft night that year and was disappointed we didnt take him. Glad we have him now.

 

[ButterMill]

It felt like Troy Selwood

Troy Selwood

Age

41

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.2

3star

No current season stats available

D

7.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.2

5star

was taking a more active role in activities this year. I wonder how the succession planning works? Do they let Troy have a pick it two each draft then compare outcomes in three years? Wells might not want to do this forever so he's probably teaching his tricks you'd think. Though picking players with almost no U18 game film seems like a lesson Wells is really drumming home.

With that completely mythical scenario in mind I'm blaming any misses on Troy (or do we just say Selwood like we say Wells).

More seriously, our philosophy of good kid then try to develop them into a player seems to be the preference. Simpson, Bews, Blicav, MOC, Miers have all become better players than I thought they'd be on first coming to the club. These kids this year will certainly have time with the stacked starting 22.

 

[DanA]

Interesting to see how we go this year. We have a big list of established older players but also some guys that look ready to push for a spot (Clark, C.Stephens, Simpson, and Close).

FB: Kolodjashnij Blicavs O’Connor
HB: Stewart Henderson Bews
C: Duncan Guthrie Smith
HF: Higgins Cameron Menegola
FF: Miers Hawkins Rohan
R: Stanley Dangerfield Parfitt
I/C: Selwood Henry Touhy Dahlhaus

There might be an injury or two but there will also be some serious pressure on some of the above established guys. I’d expect Clark to play 16+ games this coming season and Simpson looked right there too. Fair chance a surprise guy steps up more than expected too.

No gifted games this year.

 

[Burtyl78]

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Interesting to see how we go this year. We have a big list of established older players but also some guys that look ready to push for a spot (Clark, C.Stephens, Simpson, and Close).

FB: Kolodjashnij Blicavs O’Connor
HB: Stewart Henderson Bews
C: Duncan Guthrie Smith
HF: Higgins Cameron Menegola
FF: Miers Hawkins Rohan
R: Stanley Dangerfield Parfitt
I/C: Selwood Henry Touhy Dahlhaus

There might be an injury or two but there will also be some serious pressure on some of the above established guys. I’d expect Clark to play 16+ games this coming season and Simpson looked right there too. Fair chance a surprise guy steps up more than expected too.

No gifted games this year.

I feel Simpson should go well past Dahlhaus this year

 

[goyoucatters]

I feel Simpson should go well past Dahlhaus this year.

That's certainly the trajectory at the moment. I know he had an injury-interrupted season last year, But Dahl is going to need to lift to hold his place, you would think.

 

[Partridge]

Just some light reading, apparently we were into Isaac Smith

7

Isaac Smith

Age

36

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

in his draft year. But looks like we went for Billie Smedts

Billie Smedts

Age

33

Ht

190cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.9

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.1

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

2.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.2

2star

first, doh.

AFL: Cats may draft North Ballarat's Isaac Smith

SPECULATION is mounting that North Ballarat premiership player Isaac Smith might be drafted by Geelong.

www.thecourier.com.au

Nothing wrong with that at the time. Smedts looked a good pickup, and showed genuine promise in 2012 and 2013.

The question of drafting players with shoulder concerns, that's a separate but reasonable discussion. If you can't put on size it's hard to physically get there.

 

[Drunkcat]

That's certainly the trajectory at the moment. I know he had an injury-interrupted season last year, But Dahl is going to need to lift to hold his place, you would think.

I hope someone kicks him out the side think we got very little out of him in 2020