Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Hamingja]

I disagree. With the big trades in recent years it has been the team that acquired the star player that has won out, not the team that received two/three first round picks. See Dangerfield, Neale, Treloar, Tom Mitchell, etc.

Even with the Lachie Weller trade it seemed at the time that Gold Coast giving up pick #2 was overpaying, but Freo selected Andrew Brayshaw with that pick and he hasn't shown much to suggest he'll be a star.

I'm all for proven players over draft picks however what I mean is do it when you don't have anything to trade.

i.e. all the eagles had was 1st and future 1st that were essentially two late first rounders and that plus steak knives got the trade done. We had to accept as that is all they had.

If the eagles had 3 first rounders we would have asked for that instead.

So when we have a heap of capital it is not worth trading, save for a Dangerfield calibre player, as we are just going to be paying a bigger price than we need to.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I disagree. With the big trades in recent years it has been the team that acquired the star player that has won out, not the team that received two/three first round picks. See Dangerfield, Neale, Treloar, Tom Mitchell, etc.

Even with the Lachie Weller trade it seemed at the time that Gold Coast giving up pick #2 was overpaying, but Freo selected Andrew Brayshaw with that pick and he hasn't shown much to suggest he'll be a star.

It has been but the trend is to pay more and more for less and less. That trend will continue. The best way to do a trade is offload the assets they'd ask for that would be over and above a fair trade

 

[Turbocat]

It has been but the trend is to pay more and more for less and less. That trend will continue. The best way to do a trade is offload the assets they'd ask for that would be over and above a fair trade

What trend ..how many trades? Gees the trend at Haw is to pay zero in picks and to balance it with taking SC pressure.. there is multiple ways to assess the cost of a trade .. the age and quality affects it .. so to gauge a trend we would have to narrow the parameters imo. Maybe a very narrow type has become more expensive... id suspect it would cost quite a bit to get McLuggage etc..

 

[CatToTheFuture]

What trend ..how many trades? Gees the trend at Haw is to pay zero in picks and to balance it with taking SC pressure.. there is multiple ways to assess the cost of a trade .. the age and quality affects it .. so to gauge a trend we would have to narrow the parameters imo. Maybe a very narrow type has become more expensive... id suspect it would cost quite a bit to get McLuggage etc..

I guess it's anecdotal and I'm only really referring to trades for players who don't come with a qualifier such as Scully and Pattons injury history, but it feels like the valuations for players in picks equivalent are going up over time. Could be wrong as this is a bit of a gutfeel. But I wouldn't be wrong to say that if we asked for Jeremy Cameron as a restricted free agent then GWS would immediately match and demand 3 firsts probably more as a starting point. We can say no all we want but it takes a great deal of time and negotiation to try work backwards from there.

 

[Turbocat]

I guess it's anecdotal and I'm only really referring to trades for players who don't come with a qualifier such as Scully and Pattons injury history, but it feels like the valuations for players in picks equivalent are going up over time. Could be wrong as this is a bit of a gutfeel. But I wouldn't be wrong to say that if we asked for Jeremy Cameron as a restricted free agent then GWS would immediately match and demand 3 firsts probably more as a starting point. We can say no all we want but it takes a great deal of time and negotiation to try work backwards from there.

In this era of trigger and feelings ... more and more I appreciate the cold sharpness of data.. so Im not dismissing your gut feel .. but I do like it when we can have something we can count and add and put in table and assess.

The normal give and take of a trade discussion means no one really pays more than they are willing to... 3 R1 picks for Cameron... I cant honestly see how they would see that as a legit request... but if we were silly enough to pay it ..then go green for them. As I have said before ..the "round" description can be somewhat obscure ... next year P18, P20 , and P22 may well be 3 R1 picks .. so I guess they may some how think its fair.

Realistically JC would be a FA and they would have to match a offer for starters and historically its never been done... and with the number of big dollar contracts they signed recently ..just what could they match ? Personally id only want JC as a FA.... if I were in for a younger player then fair enough... The Bont wants to come to Geelong ... yeah I could see the Dogs going full monty on demands..

 

[Turbocat]

If the video of Melb at the draft is anything to go by then Swans traded up to snatch Gould before us.

And the Swans carried on about Gould’s weight at the combine then grabbed him for themselves lol.
Shifty.
Wouldn't mind us get Hately, big upside a big talent, before he does a Hopper!

I thought that was fairly obvious yeah.

I think Gould is an interesting case ..and will continue to be interesting to monitor at the Swans.. AA u18 etc.. poor at combine .. great kick..tough likes contact.. afl he will not be playing in comp with players who are shy of contact either He may be a very good fit at the Swans small ground as well..

Overall I think he and others show .. no matter what we individually think players pre draft ..players drop and elevate each year... I doubt Tarheny at 50 would have been accepted as possible by some pre draft. Gould had so many twists to the tail that you could make many cases to why he should be drafted or not be drafted ..looking back the range 15-25 would seem to have been reasonable and in the zone IF we really wanted him. Late R1 early R2 ...

Swans are at least as good as us in recruitment imo. That they can also get academy kids..make it a sweet job for Kinn Beatson. If they get Gould to a AFL fitness he will play well ..im sure plenty will say well done to them... and that subtext of the Swans making comments will be looked at as quite clever. Not wrong but anyone who really wasn't that keen probably enhanced by that coming out.

It appears we would have taken him at that pick in the 20's... we liked him..but we wanted list balance with Dek first who was being looked at by other clubs. His position is not something .. we lack so I guess we will not know how it all pans out for a while ..and even the draft this year getting P11.
Would we trade that P11 for Gould right now? Id probably say no I would not.. but Gould could be a typical kid that multiple clubs go past ..and then becomes a strong player for the club who took the punt. ..however P11 may give us a chance to get a high end young falcon in a role we more desire.

The Gould choice will be one that carries thru to 2020 and beyond... just part of having Swells job. I back him 100% ..and we all know ..drafting is only buying the seed... the watering and the nutrients have to be added by the club to have a chance to reap the top harvest. The last component will be him.He has to really want it. As I said interesting case.

 

[CatRiot]

I think Gould is an interesting case ..and will continue to be interesting to monitor at the Swans.. AA u18 etc.. poor at combine .. great kick..tough likes contact.. afl he will not be playing in comp with players who are shy of contact either He may be a very good fit at the Swans small ground as well..

Overall I think he and others show .. no matter what we individually think players pre draft ..players drop and elevate each year... I doubt Tarheny at 50 would have been accepted as possible by some pre draft. Gould had so many twists to the tail that you could make many cases to why he should be drafted or not be drafted ..looking back the range 15-25 would seem to have been reasonable and in the zone IF we really wanted him. Late R1 early R2 ...

Swans are at least as good as us in recruitment imo. That they can also get academy kids..make it a sweet job for Kinn Beatson. If they get Gould to a AFL fitness he will play well ..im sure plenty will say well done to them... and that subtext of the Swans making comments will be looked at as quite clever. Not wrong but anyone who really wasn't that keen probably enhanced by that coming out.

It appears we would have taken him at that pick in the 20's... we liked him..but we wanted list balance with Dek first who was being looked at by other clubs. His position is not something .. we lack so I guess we will not know how it all pans out for a while ..and even the draft this year getting P11.
Would we trade that P11 for Gould right now? Id probably say no I would not.. but Gould could be a typical kid that multiple clubs go past ..and then becomes a strong player for the club who took the punt. ..however P11 may give us a chance to get a high end young falcon in a role we more desire.

The Gould choice will be one that carries thru to 2020 and beyond... just part of having Swells job. I back him 100% ..and we all know ..drafting is only buying the seed... the watering and the nutrients have to be added by the club to have a chance to reap the top harvest. The last component will be him.He has to really want it. As I said interesting case.

I can see Gould playing next season, and to a great effect. He is actually the same size as Heath Grundy, an absolute beast of a player, very under-rated CHB/FB. 192cm/102kgs.

 

[Ratcat]

I think Gould is an interesting case ..and will continue to be interesting to monitor at the Swans.. AA u18 etc.. poor at combine .. great kick..tough likes contact.. afl he will not be playing in comp with players who are shy of contact either He may be a very good fit at the Swans small ground as well..

Overall I think he and others show .. no matter what we individually think players pre draft ..players drop and elevate each year... I doubt Tarheny at 50 would have been accepted as possible by some pre draft. Gould had so many twists to the tail that you could make many cases to why he should be drafted or not be drafted ..looking back the range 15-25 would seem to have been reasonable and in the zone IF we really wanted him. Late R1 early R2 ...

Swans are at least as good as us in recruitment imo. That they can also get academy kids..make it a sweet job for Kinn Beatson. If they get Gould to a AFL fitness he will play well ..im sure plenty will say well done to them... and that subtext of the Swans making comments will be looked at as quite clever. Not wrong but anyone who really wasn't that keen probably enhanced by that coming out.

It appears we would have taken him at that pick in the 20's... we liked him..but we wanted list balance with Dek first who was being looked at by other clubs. His position is not something .. we lack so I guess we will not know how it all pans out for a while ..and even the draft this year getting P11.
Would we trade that P11 for Gould right now? Id probably say no I would not.. but Gould could be a typical kid that multiple clubs go past ..and then becomes a strong player for the club who took the punt. ..however P11 may give us a chance to get a high end young falcon in a role we more desire.

The Gould choice will be one that carries thru to 2020 and beyond... just part of having Swells job. I back him 100% ..and we all know ..drafting is only buying the seed... the watering and the nutrients have to be added by the club to have a chance to reap the top harvest. The last component will be him.He has to really want it. As I said interesting case.

I think his actions at Glenelg this year proved plenty that some skinny kid with a 3yr build won't suffice for passing him up imo.
I think the Swans got a bargain.
With Kolo's groin, just shows how thin our cover is with Hendo the obvious, glad he wasn’t picked up, otherwise boy oh boy!
We should've gone harder he was a rd 1 player easy, l reckon we bought the BS.

 

[year of the cat]

I wonder when the offer for pick 11 came to us? Did we attempt to trade up to counter the Swans or did the offer for 11 come beforehand and made us ambivalent to taking Gould? Would be fascinating to know the inner machinations that occurred during the period of the draft.

 

[Ratcat]

I wonder when the offer for pick 11 came to us? Did we attempt to trade up to counter the Swans or did the offer for 11 come beforehand and made us ambivalent to taking Gould? Would be fascinating to know the inner machinations that occurred during the period of the draft.

Good question?...will p11 probably pushed back from there get us a better player, l doubt it.
Twice AA and senior SANFL star, nothings going to top that.
Anyhow we got P11 next year.

 

[cats_09]

Good question?...will p11 probably pushed back from there get us a better player, l doubt it.
Twice AA and senior SANFL star, nothings going to top that.
Anyhow we got P11 next year.

I'm thinking the club will back in that pick 11 next year will net us a better player than

On paper Gould's had a good junior career - but to not be selected until pick 26 would indicate that plenty of clubs have questions about how he will transition to AFL level or if he was going to be the right fit

It's not like Gould went top 10 and had clubs trying to out bid each other to draft him

 

[cats_09]

I wonder when the offer for pick 11 came to us? Did we attempt to trade up to counter the Swans or did the offer for 11 come beforehand and made us ambivalent to taking Gould? Would be fascinating to know the inner machinations that occurred during the period of the draft.

Pretty sure it came after the Swans had taken their selection

I was keeping an eye on the draft (tv & web) and had to go out to pick up pizza which was ready for collection - I remember our selection came up for pick 27 and then news of the trade came through

So maybe the club was interested in Gould with pick 27 but with him gone they decided that pick 11 next year would net us a better player than what pick 27 would have this year

 

[year of the cat]

Pretty sure it came after the Swans had taken their selection

I was keeping an eye on the draft (tv & web) and had to go out to pick up pizza which was ready for collection - I remember our selection came up for pick 27 and then news of the trade came through

So maybe the club was interested in Gould with pick 27 but with him gone they decided that pick 11 next year would net us a better player than what pick 27 would have this year

You’d think that GC would have offered 11 to every club that had early picks in that second round. Would make sense to if you’re offering a pick that high.

Just a very bizarre set of circumstances. I’d love to know what the sequence of events that night for us. Also how highly we rated Evans? Was the original strategy to come away from night 2 with Gould and Evans?

 

[Ratcat]

Pretty sure it came after the Swans had taken their selection

I was keeping an eye on the draft (tv & web) and had to go out to pick up pizza which was ready for collection - I remember our selection came up for pick 27 and then news of the trade came through

So maybe the club was interested in Gould with pick 27 but with him gone they decided that pick 11 next year would net us a better player than what pick 27 would have this year

If he plays 1st game next year how would we net a better player than that?
Honestly consider that!
How many P11/15's 'say' will play 1st rd? In fact how many 1st rounders will?
Keep watching and see how everyone bought Swans baloney, the GFC and most on BF.
You say Gould’s had a good junior career, l'd go further to say he's had a blumming phenomenal junior career.
Anyway fwiw we now have an earlier pick.

 

[cats_09]

If he plays 1st game next year how would we net a better player than that?
Honestly consider that!
How many P11/15's 'say' will play 1st rd? In fact how many 1st rounders will?
Keep watching and see how everyone bought Swans baloney, the GFC and most on BF.
You say Gould’s had a good junior career, l'd go further to say he's had a blumming phenomenal junior career.
Anyway fwiw we now have an earlier pick.

Like how Clark was pick 15 last year and played round 1 this year?

Or Fogarty being pick 22 in 2017 & playing round 1 in 2018, alongside the guy we got at pick 24

In 2016 our first selection was Parfitt at pick 26, and guess what - he played round 1 in 2017

We've had 1st round picks and even 2nd round picks play from round 1 their first season - so it's not really that uncommon

 

[Ratcat]

Like how Clark was pick 15 last year and played round 1 this year?

Or Fogarty being pick 22 in 2017 & playing round 1 in 2018, alongside the guy we got at pick 24

In 2016 our first selection was Parfitt at pick 26, and guess what - he played round 1 in 2017

We've had 1st round picks and even 2nd round picks play from round 1 their first season - so it's not really that uncommon

So you'd say no to another rd 1 debutant.
Really?

 

[Gunf]

So you'd say no to another rd 1 debutant.
Really?

So have you ruled out Cooper playing round 1 then?

I know you love Gould but our draft was fine
And who is to say he would play round 1 for us we have a very stacked backline with players that can play his role

 

[cats_09]

So you'd say no to another rd 1 debutant.
Really?

Thought we drafted a few players this year - what's to any of the guys we drafted from playing round 1 next year?

Can you imagine the feel good story of the football year when Francia Evans plays round 1 next year

 

[Ratcat]

So have you ruled out Cooper playing round 1 then?

I know you love Gould but our draft was fine
And who is to say he would play round 1 for us we have a very stacked backline with players that can play his role

Thought we drafted a few players this year - what's to any of the guys we drafted from playing round 1 next year?

Can you imagine the feel good story of the football year when Francia Evans plays round 1 next year

I was pushing CS for our second pick Gould first but hey that's alright, still think we should've but we didn't.
With Kolo injured it does reveal a weakness in our lack of big defender backup.
Thought Gould a ready made tweener, as was mentioned he's as big as Heath Grundy.
Would be great if CS played rd 1 but not holding my breath on that.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Like how Clark was pick 15 last year and played round 1 this year?

Or Fogarty being pick 22 in 2017 & playing round 1 in 2018, alongside the guy we got at pick 24

In 2016 our first selection was Parfitt at pick 26, and guess what - he played round 1 in 2017

We've had 1st round picks and even 2nd round picks play from round 1 their first season - so it's not really that uncommon

Yeah this year is looking like the outlier where we probably don't have any draftees in round 1.

 

[cats_09]

I was pushing CS for our second pick Gould first but hey that's alright, still think we should've but we didn't.
With Kolo injured it does reveal a weakness in our lack of big defender backup.
Thought Gould a ready made tweener, as was mentioned he's as big as Heath Grundy.
Would be great if CS played rd 1 but not holding my breath on that.

How do we lack big defender backup options?

Blicavs, Taylor & Henderson to start with
Kolo & Stewart can play on a variety of player types
Henry goes ok when given a set role and while he probably isn't likely to line up on a KPF, he can match up on medium forwards

I don't think we actually lost any defenders from our list, and considering many would argue we often played too many defenders, if one does go down then maybe it will allow better balance within the team as it could help us to stop selecting so many

I get that you have been & are really really impressed by Gould - but not sure he would necessarily be in line for a round 1 debut based on the depth in our defensive ranks

 

[dazbroncos]

26 chances to draft Gould and was passed over. Swans may have pulled a Boris ... maybe not.

We got pick 11 for it. I’ll take it - which will be our highest pick since Cocky.
There is no downside here getting that draft capital.

Go Catters

 

[Shai]

Yeah this year is looking like the outlier where we probably don't have any draftees in round 1.

I'm ok with that if we're looking to the future and the guys we got in the '19 draft come in & improve our team long term, just for the record I believe a couple of them may get a game in '20, as should some of the 2-3 year players.

 

[Turbocat]

How do we lack big defender backup options?

Blicavs, Taylor & Henderson to start with
Kolo & Stewart can play on a variety of player types
Henry goes ok when given a set role and while he probably isn't likely to line up on a KPF, he can match up on medium forwards

I don't think we actually lost any defenders from our list, and considering many would argue we often played too many defenders, if one does go down then maybe it will allow better balance within the team as it could help us to stop selecting so many

I get that you have been & are really really impressed by Gould - but not sure he would necessarily be in line for a round 1 debut based on the depth in our defensive ranks

Rat has a strong opinion on him ... I think you cant afford to get to caught up on the one player... as a list is more than just one player or one pick... go back and have a look at draft ratings for the two Kolo's ... and one has to be a little flexible in whats done with picks (imo)... P11 next ..which might be P14 ish ..or maybe we trade up to get even earlier ... im very happy with the outcome ..inpspite the fact I think Gould could be a very good player. Could. Might. etc. Time will tell if we dance the right tune.

And for body shape ..if the irishman can come on he might be our next backman...

 

[Turbocat]

So have you ruled out Cooper playing round 1 then?

I know you love Gould but our draft was fine
And who is to say he would play round 1 for us we have a very stacked backline with players that can play his role

Our draft was more than fine... and we could have multiple debutants R1 . This time last year most thought Miers was were you went for Christmas presents ..and if you know he was a player.. he was not highy on anyone best 22. Kenn is running the legs of some... and the MC like spread. Freddie could surprise ..and Copper could push as well.

as long as we continue to draft as we have the last few we are slowly building a solid group of youth. We just need a couple to breakout out ..