Rumour GFC 2020 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[cats_09]

If we'd taken a bloke after he'd done a non contact ACL knee id still be deleting posts..

With CS, the break was minimal and healed non surgically. At this point, ill take that.

Remains to be seen what happens but given our history on drafting injured players, ill take the lesser of the two evils thus far.

GO Catters

I'm confused as to how a player with an ACL is somehow going to be more of a sure thing than the player who broke a leg & appears to have recovered

I get that Lang turned into bit of a bust, but didn't Kelly also break his leg but ultimately made a return & played an important role across our premiership years... Whose to say that CS won't be more Kelly like versus Lang like?

 

[Cataholic]

I'm confused as to how a player with an ACL is somehow going to be more of a sure thing than the player who broke a leg & appears to have recovered

I get that Lang turned into bit of a bust, but didn't Kelly also break his leg but ultimately made a return & played an important role across our premiership years... Whose to say that CS won't be more Kelly like versus Lang like?

My take on your first paragraph is that you're questioning the assertion that an ACL injury is more likely to doom a player than a broken leg.......

If so, a couple of points:

An ACL incurred without physical contact implies an inherent weakness.... possibly one that can't be rectified without surgery, and the significant chance it'll happen again.

A broken bone however is said to be stronger when it heals than the original. And if it heals naturally, without surgical intervention...... Well, that's far more preferable.

 

[cats_09]

My take on your first paragraph is that you're questioning the assertion that an ACL injury is more likely to doom a player than a broken leg.......

If so, a couple of points:

An ACL incurred without physical contact implies an inherent weakness.... possibly one that can't be rectified without surgery, and the significant chance it'll happen again.

A broken bone however is said to be stronger when it heals than the original. And if it heals naturally, without surgical intervention...... Well, that's far more preferable.

Maybe I've just read too many post draft comments over the years and not sure there's too many selections where there's consensus that it was the right pick

The sceptical side of me thinks that regardless of taking Stephens or Kemp with our first pick, there would be a fair share of complaints about the selection, using our first pick on an injured player and that the other injured player would have been a safer option

 

[Turbocat]

For those interested, here are the players considered to be the top prospect in 2020's draft. I'm happy to update this as the year goes on, if there is interest.

Name	State	Club	Ht	Wt	Academy
Braeden Campbell	NSW	Sydney Swans Academy	178	71	Sydney Swans Academy
Errol Gulden	NSW	Sydney Swans Academy	173	70	Sydney Swans Academy
Joshua Green	NSW	GWS Academy	191	84	GWS Academy
Alex Davies	QLD	Gold Coast Academy	190	80	Gold Coast Academy
Blake Coleman	QLD	Brisbane Lions Academy	180	75	Brisbane Lions Academy
Carter Michael	QLD	Brisbane Lions Academy	187		Brisbane Lions Academy
Joel Jeffrey	QLD	Gold Coast Academy	189	75	Gold Coast Academy
Saxon Crozier	QLD	Brisbane Lions Academy	185	80	Brisbane Lions Academy
Archie Perkins	SA	Sandringham Dragons	185	87
Corey Durdin	SA	Central Districts	173	70
Darby Hipwell	SA	Sandringham Dragons	181	78
Henry Smith	SA	Woodville West Torrens	202	82
Jake Bowey	SA	Sandringham Dragons	173	65
James Borlase	SA	Sturt	191	88	Adelaide NGA/Port F/S
Jamison Murphy	SA	North Adelaide	181	82
Kaine Baldwin	SA	Glenelg	192	89	Adelaide NGA
Lachlan Jones	SA	Woodville West Torrens	184	85
Luke Edwards	SA	Glenelg	187	79	Adelaide F/S
Riley Thilthorpe	SA	West Adelaide	199	96
Taj Schofield	SA	Woodville West Torrens	177	74	Port Adelaide F/S
Zac Dumesny	SA	South Adelaide	186	77
Brodie Lake	VIC	Northern Territory	186	70
Cameron Fleeton	VIC	Geelong Falcons	189	76
Charlie Byrne	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	182	78
Charlie Lazzaro	VIC	Geelong Falcons	177	73
Clayton Gay	VIC	Dandenong Stingrays	183	71
Cody Brand	VIC	Calder Cannons	195	81	Essendon NGA
Connor Downie	VIC	Eastern Ranges	183	81	Hawthorn NGA
Connor Stone	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	186	78
Cooper Barbera	VIC	Northern Knights	173	61
Cooper Smith	VIC	Bendigo	181	65
Deakyn Smith	VIC	Dandenong Stingrays	179	65	Melbourne NGA
Dominic Bedendo	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	185	67
Eddie Ford	VIC	Western Jets	186	80
Elijah Hollands	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	188	80
Ethan Baxter	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	192	79	Richmond NGA
Ewan MacPherson	VIC	Northern Knights	178	82	Western Bulldogs NGA
Finlay Macrae	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	184	73
Flynn Lakey	VIC	Calder Cannons	171	70
Fraser Elliot	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	187	86
Gennaro Bove	VIC	Geelong Falcons	175	75
Giorgio Varagiannis	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	175	73
Harry Sharp	VIC	Great Western Victoria	180	70
Heath Ramshaw	VIC	Northern Knights	180
Henry Walsh	VIC	Geelong Falcons	201	84
Jack Evans	VIC	Bendigo	182	70
Jack Ginnivan	VIC	Bendigo	180	73
Jack Tillig	VIC	Great Western Victoria	185	81
Jackson Callow	VIC	Tasmania	193	94
Jackson Cardillo	VIC	Calder Cannons	185	77
Jai Neal	VIC	Dandenong Stingrays	191	80
Jamarra Ugle-Hagan	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	194	79	Western Bulldogs NGA
Josh Clarke	VIC	Eastern Ranges	181	65
Josh Eyre	VIC	Calder Cannons	194	80
Josh Treacy	VIC	Bendigo	192	88
Josh Watson	VIC	Northern Knights	180	74
Kobi George	VIC	Dandenong Stingrays	182	71	Melbourne NGA
Liam McMahon	VIC	Northern Knights	193	78
Lochlan Jenkins	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	177	76
Nick Stevens	VIC	Great Western Victoria	191	86	Western Bulldogs NGA
Nikolas Cox	VIC	Northern Knights	197	80
Noah Gribble	VIC	Geelong Falcons	179	68
Oliver Davis	VIC	Tasmania	181	75
Oliver Henry	VIC	Geelong Falcons	186	72
Ollie Lord	VIC	Sandringham Dragons	195	80
Patrick Walker	VIC	Tasmania	185	77
Reef McInnes	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	191	83	Collingwood NGA
Ryan Angwin	VIC	Gippsland Power	181	62
Salele Feagaimalii	VIC	Eastern Ranges	186	99	Hawthorn NGA
Sam Berry	VIC	Gippsland Power	180	82
Sam Collins	VIC	Tasmania	187	79
Tanner Bruhn	VIC	Geelong Falcons	182	73
Thomas McMahon	VIC	Northern Knights	181	70
Thomas Panuccio	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	179	73
Wil Parker	VIC	Eastern Ranges	180	76
Will Howe	VIC	Dandenong Stingrays	189	85
Will Phillips	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	179	78
Zach Reid	VIC	Gippsland Power	200	77
Zavier Maher	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	183	82
Blake Morris	WA	Subiaco	188	80
Brandon Walker	WA	East Fremantle	179	70	Fremantle NGA
Denver Grainger-Barrass	WA	Swan Districts	192	77
Heath Chapman	WA	West Perth	193	75
Ira Jetta	WA	South Fremantle	173	72
Jack Carroll	WA	East Fremantle	185	71
Joel Western	WA	Claremont	172	63	Fremantle NGA
Logan McDonald	WA	Perth	192	84
Nathan O'Driscoll	WA	Perth	182	75
Shannon Neale	WA	South Fremantle	198	81
Zane Trew	WA	Swan Districts	184	81

no geelong NGA's ..... the system is not working to well for us atpit.

 

[Cataholic]

Maybe I've just read too many post draft comments over the years and not sure there's too many selections where there's consensus that it was the right pick

The sceptical side of me thinks that regardless of taking Stephens or Kemp with our first pick, there would be a fair share of complaints about the selection, using our first pick on an injured player and that the other injured player would have been a safer option

Yep.

There'll be differing opinions in every crowd, and hindsight eventually clouds the debate even further.

Then there are the minority who complain for the love of it.

 

[Warhorse]

I'm confused as to how a player with an ACL is somehow going to be more of a sure thing than the player who broke a leg & appears to have recovered

I get that Lang turned into bit of a bust, but didn't Kelly also break his leg but ultimately made a return & played an important role across our premiership years... Whose to say that CS won't be more Kelly like versus Lang like?

Kelly looked a better prospect than bartel and Ablett pre break. Not sure if that is the best example as he never looked the same when he come back

 

[CatRiot]

Kelly looked a better prospect than bartel and Ablett pre break. Not sure if that is the best example as he never looked the same when he come back

You didn't rate Kelly's PF performance?

 

[Watchfromadistance]

no geelong NGA's ..... the system is not working to well for us atpit.

You don't need any you have 3 first round picks.

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[Turbocat]

You don't need any you have 3 first round picks.

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Thats a silly post. Several sides have had high level nga players..who they have drafted at a discount like TT at North for eg. having R1 picks has nothing at all to do with having a player tied to your club that you can draft at a discount. Id certainly like a player or two like Quaynor or Henry tied to us ... and if it gave us issues with our R1 picks..its a nice problem to have.

 

[Down at K Park]

no geelong NGA's ..... the system is not working to well for us atpit.

Nor do we have any good father/sons on the horizon. All while other teams acadamies are gold mines. We get sweet fa. The whole system is completely unfair.

 

[cats_09]

Nor do we have any good father/sons on the horizon. All while other teams acadamies are gold mines. We get sweet fa. The whole system is completely unfair.

Not sure you can exactly say that when you consider the success we have had from f&s picks over the past decade - pretty sure that most teams would have loved to have had access to even one f&s selection who'd have a career like Ablett, Scarlett & Hawkins have had, let alone access to all 3

Look at it as ebbs & flows of the system - just because we aren't reaping the benifits at the moment doesn't mean we haven't in the past nor that we won't in the future

 

[Gunf]

Not sure you can exactly say that when you consider the success we have had from f&s picks over the past decade - pretty sure that most teams would have loved to have had access to even one f&s selection who'd have a career like Ablett, Scarlett & Hawkins have had, let alone access to all 3

Look at it as ebbs & flows of the system - just because we aren't reaping the benifits at the moment doesn't mean we haven't in the past nor that we won't in the future

F&S are one thing but academies are getting ridiculous soon 20-30 players every year from the top 50 or so will be discounted

 

[Warhorse]

Geelong have botched their academy

 

[cats_09]

Geelong have botched their academy

Please explain how so

 

[strauchnyy]

I would have taken Robertson first up but are happy with Stephens. A few that have seen a lot more of him than me rate him highly so happy to run with that at this stage. Kemp’s knee rules him out for me with our first.

So I’d prob have gone Robertson and Gould, assuming that the Blues take Stephens with their first. If not it’s Robertson and Stephens to add some real grunt to our midfield. Take Finlay or Hilder later to bring in a Young KPD.

I preferred Robertson but knowing blues interest in kemp & CS id have picked kemp first to then get Robertson.
Knee is a risk but his talent at 17 or whatever it was was too good to pass up. Could be a top 5 player in the comp.

I like CS but to me we picked a guy who may not have the most talent but who will give his all. There’s nothing wrong with that and it means he’s a low bust chance. The only reason it leaves me a bit unmoved is that we lack young A grade mid talent. None on our list have anywhere the potential that a young joel did for example. They are all decent but nothing with superstar potential. I think it’s our biggest hole in our list for the future.

 

[Gunf]

I preferred Robertson but knowing blues interest in kemp & CS id have picked kemp first to then get Robertson.
Knee is a risk but his talent at 17 or whatever it was was too good to pass up. Could be a top 5 player in the comp.

I like CS but to me we picked a guy who may not have the most talent but who will give his all. There’s nothing wrong with that and it means he’s a low bust chance. The only reason it leaves me a bit unmoved is that we lack young A grade mid talent. None on our list have anywhere the potential that a young joel did for example. They are all decent but nothing with superstar potential. I think it’s our biggest hole in our list for the future.

That may well be true with Cooper (being a safe bet) but maybe just maybe Wells didn't think that highly of Kemp and Robertson and thought that they are a higher risk for the same or less reward. Just because we think Robertson or Kemp would be better players eventually don't mean anything atm i mean Watts went at umber 1 .........

 

[cats_09]

That may well be true with Cooper (being a safe bet) but maybe just maybe Wells didn't think that highly of Kemp and Robertson and thought that they are a higher risk for the same or less reward. Just because we think Robertson or Kemp would be better players eventually don't mean anything atm i mean Watts went at umber 1 .........

What about Tambling or Toumpas - both went top 4 and not sure either lived up to that billing

 

[Turbocat]

Not sure you can exactly say that when you consider the success we have had from f&s picks over the past decade - pretty sure that most teams would have loved to have had access to even one f&s selection who'd have a career like Ablett, Scarlett & Hawkins have had, let alone access to all 3

Look at it as ebbs & flows of the system - just because we aren't reaping the benifits at the moment doesn't mean we haven't in the past nor that we won't in the future

I think its fair to ask..are we leaving the emergence of talent from our NGA area to just nature or are we encouraging development. Just how much talent is in the area allocated is probably something for the club to calc and report to the afl.... but the whole concept is supposed to be about talent development ..not about a defacto zone.

 

[cats_09]

I think its fair to ask..are we leaving the emergence of talent from our NGA area to just nature or are we encouraging development. Just how much talent is in the area allocated is probably something for the club to calc and report to the afl.... but the whole concept is supposed to be about talent development ..not about a defacto zone.

This is from an article earlier this month - updated info on the club website about the NGA:

Further to this, under AFL Academy Guidelines, the club has been allocated regions of Barwon in Victoria (aligned with TAC cup region of the Geelong Falcons) and East Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory, from which Academy participants can be recruited from.

To participate in the Geelong Cats Next Gen Academy program, you are required to register your details. Once registered, you will receive an information pack about which program is right for you.

I'm curious how active is the club in recruiting participants - do they actively scout potential talent (similar to keeping an eye on potential draftees) where they encourage youngsters to register their interest or do they take more of a backseat approach to that side & the involvement is only after being accepted into the program?

There was another article earlier this year from April:
The Next Gen Program will consist of four different groups:

• Under 16 Girls
• Under 14 Girls
• Under 15 Boys
• Under 14 Boys

So maybe it's something the club reviewed after last season and acknowledged they could do more work with and from a younger age - if that's the case, we may start to see benefits in a few years when those under 14s & under 15s start to reach draft age

Article 1 -https://www.geelongcats.com.au/news/317448/next-generation-academy

Article 2 - http://www.aflbarwon.com.au/new-structure-for-2019-geelong-cats-next-gen-academy/

 

[dazbroncos]

Please explain how so

this will be a good one...

im getting a full caraffe of scotch...

GO Catters

 

[Max Milburn]

Please explain how so

Allow me...

First, start with the word Geelong.
Second, follow with a randomly selected negative verb e.g. botched, ruined, underachieved, stuffed, tanked, etc etc

Easy peasy!

 

[cats_09]

this will be a good one...

im getting a full caraffe of scotch...

GO Catters

Feeling like it's going to be a long wait to get any sort of response

 

[Warhorse]

Allow me...

First, start with the word Geelong.
Second, follow with a randomly selected negative verb e.g. botched, ruined, underachieved, stuffed, tanked, etc etc

Easy peasy!

You should have seen how pathetic our first attempt at getting a female team.

We are just not that active with our academy.

 

[Turbocat]

This is from an article earlier this month - updated info on the club website about the NGA:



I'm curious how active is the club in recruiting participants - do they actively scout potential talent (similar to keeping an eye on potential draftees) where they encourage youngsters to register their interest or do they take more of a backseat approach to that side & the involvement is only after being accepted into the program?

There was another article earlier this year from April:
The Next Gen Program will consist of four different groups:

• Under 16 Girls
• Under 14 Girls
• Under 15 Boys
• Under 14 Boys

So maybe it's something the club reviewed after last season and acknowledged they could do more work with and from a younger age - if that's the case, we may start to see benefits in a few years when those under 14s & under 15s start to reach draft age

Article 1 -https://www.geelongcats.com.au/news/317448/next-generation-academy

Article 2 - http://www.aflbarwon.com.au/new-structure-for-2019-geelong-cats-next-gen-academy/

Without knowing what all the other clubs are spending... the afl probably have a recommended number... and if we spend that and still do not even get a rep player for the u18's then we probably have ammunition to petition the afl for a change of some sort..

 

[cats_09]

You should have seen how pathetic our first attempt at getting a female team.

We are just not that active with our academy.

?

Our first season with a womens team at any level was the 2017 VFLW season and we finished 5th with 8 wins & 6 losses

Thought that was a pretty good, solid effort from an inaugural team